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Mosco · 25 October 2015, 04:22 AM

- item is listed at a NO-RES auction, or for a low price.
- seller's feedback is EXCELLENT, typically 100% positive
- real pics of a watch are used, not stock

What to look for:
Feedback is good and well, but how recent is it? If the last one was left over a year ago, and had nothing to do with watches, it's a red flag. Likely, this account has been hi-jacked and is being used without the real owner's knowledge.

Auction ends, winner pays, tracking number is added. odds are, it is a slow method, like USPS Parcel. KEEP AN EYE ON THE TRACKING!

If it is a scam, the label will get the parcel to your post office (correct zip code), but will be undeliverable beyond that, as the name/address will be incorrect. Close, but incorrect. For instance, your building address is 8857 AnyStreet, but it will be addressed to PO box 8857. So, it will get sent back, buying scammers more time, and rendering you unable to file a claim for the time being. What you have to do is to intercept the parcel once it lands to your local post office.

The scammers are getting more and more creative. Be vigilant.

cornerstore · 25 October 2015, 04:47 AM

Good to know, thanks.

AbsolutelyROLEX! · 25 October 2015, 07:13 AM

I have seen the feedback scam, tons of feedback for low priced junk over a short period of time, you can sell anything on EBay without even doing anything and get your buddies to leave great feedback, cost is minimal
Very sneaky these pond scums!

crowncollection · 25 October 2015, 08:12 AM

Good to know

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kooltzar · 25 October 2015, 10:30 AM

A few weeks ago I saw a rosegold chocolate daytona for sale on ebay from a 100% feedback seller at a no reserve price starting at 1 CHF, watch location Lausanne. I was sure something was wrong, as no face to face deal was mentioned as an option nor paypal. Sent the seller a few emails that I will only bid under the condition that a face to face deal at Bucherer in lausanne was possible. No answer! Then I was a 100% sure. Still I put a bid of 2400 CHF (for a watch worth around 20,000) just to test him. What a surprise: I won the auction. Sent an email again for arranging face to face deal. Two days later an answer through ebay mail service to contact him through his personal email adress for arranging transaction which which was a german mail adress although watch was supposed to be in Switzerland. I wasn't surprised he did not complain that price was way too low, as obviously I was sure he tried a scam. Again I stated in my response mail that my only way of doing the transaction would be face to face at an AD. He responded soon later that payment should be done through an ebay agent and money would go to him only once I received the watch. Ha ha! He said ebay would send me a respective invoicelike mail with the bank data of the agent and that I should look for this mail in all my folders including spam folder. A minute later I found the mail in my spam folder! It looked very well done like it would really be from ebay and contained all my data and the date of the seller. On the bottom a name of a private person that would be the ebay agent for the payment with all his bank data was indicated. I checked the sender of the mail and it was awconfirm@counsellor.com, so definitely not from ebay (they would never send a mail to spam anyway). As I knew before that this was a scam try I was more amused than shocked. How dum must someone be to fall for such an trick. I contacted ebay and told them the story and sent the email to spoof. Apart from getting some standard emails warning me not to pay, it took them full 3 days until they finally confirmed that someone's account was hacked and blocked it. Before that, the scammer still inserted 3 other watches for sale to try the same trick.

Laszlo · 25 October 2015, 12:32 PM

Unbelievable... Thanks for sharing!

jvmartin · 25 October 2015, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

- item is listed at a NO-RES auction, or for a low price.
- seller's feedback is EXCELLENT, typically 100% positive
- real pics of a watch are used, not stock

What to look for:
Feedback is good and well, but how recent is it? If the last one was left over a year ago, and had nothing to do with watches, it's a red flag. Likely, this account has been hi-jacked and is being used without the real owner's knowledge.

Auction ends, winner pays, tracking number is added. odds are, it is a slow method, like USPS Parcel. KEEP AN EYE ON THE TRACKING!

If it is a scam, the label will get the parcel to your post office (correct zip code), but will be undeliverable beyond that, as the name/address will be incorrect. Close, but incorrect. For instance, your building address is 8857 AnyStreet, but it will be addressed to PO box 8857. So, it will get sent back, buying scammers more time, and rendering you unable to file a claim for the time being. What you have to do is to intercept the parcel once it lands to your local post office.

The scammers are getting more and more creative. Be vigilant.

What is the final phase of the scam? Is the box empty? Intercepting the package in that case may actually make things worse...

occb2 · 25 October 2015, 11:17 PM

Good question JVmartin. OP. What is the end result? An empty bag/box? Thanks.

kooltzar · 26 October 2015, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laszlo

Unbelievable... Thanks for sharing!

Szivesen Làszlo!

Mosco · 26 October 2015, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvmartin

What is the final phase of the scam? Is the box empty? Intercepting the package in that case may actually make things worse...

The box contains some cheap item, in the most recent case it was a $1 book. They just have to show tracking, that's all.

rafalova · 27 October 2015, 05:20 AM

This seems to be happening more and more, unfortunately. Scammers start with a ridiculously low price (or no reserve), and put in a bunch of fake bids to bump the price, but not by too much. Then, a legit bid comes in and...voila!!...that person gets stuck with it.

Rollie808 · 30 October 2015, 09:21 PM

Thanks for sharing! These scammers are getting too clever. If it's too good to be true, I'll pass.

etp095 · 31 October 2015, 01:57 AM

I wouldn't buy anything expensive from eBay, plain and simple.

cajunron · 2 November 2015, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etp095

I wouldn't buy anything expensive from eBay, plain and simple.

UNLESS you have money to THROW AWAY!!!

25 October 2015, 04:22 AM	#1
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Another style of eBay fraud - be aware - item is listed at a NO-RES auction, or for a low price. - seller's feedback is EXCELLENT, typically 100% positive - real pics of a watch are used, not stock What to look for: Feedback is good and well, but how recent is it? If the last one was left over a year ago, and had nothing to do with watches, it's a red flag. Likely, this account has been hi-jacked and is being used without the real owner's knowledge. Auction ends, winner pays, tracking number is added. odds are, it is a slow method, like USPS Parcel. KEEP AN EYE ON THE TRACKING! If it is a scam, the label will get the parcel to your post office (correct zip code), but will be undeliverable beyond that, as the name/address will be incorrect. Close, but incorrect. For instance, your building address is 8857 AnyStreet, but it will be addressed to PO box 8857. So, it will get sent back, buying scammers more time, and rendering you unable to file a claim for the time being. What you have to do is to intercept the parcel once it lands to your local post office. The scammers are getting more and more creative. Be vigilant. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

25 October 2015, 07:13 AM	#3
AbsolutelyROLEX! "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Andy Location: Ontario, Canada Watch: AKA: ANDERL712000 Posts: 4,935	I have seen the feedback scam, tons of feedback for low priced junk over a short period of time, you can sell anything on EBay without even doing anything and get your buddies to leave great feedback, cost is minimal Very sneaky these pond scums! __________________ We want to be the first in the field and Rolex should be seen as the one and only-the best. Hans Wilsdorf, Rolex founder

25 October 2015, 08:12 AM	#4
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Good to know Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

25 October 2015, 12:32 PM	#6
Laszlo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,868	Unbelievable... Thanks for sharing! __________________ "You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die." Paul Henreid as Victor Laszlo in Casablanca

31 October 2015, 01:57 AM	#13
etp095 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: rudolph Location: chicago burbs Posts: 2,026	I wouldn't buy anything expensive from eBay, plain and simple. __________________ tt date circa 69' 5513 circa 81' ss sub w/date (z) pepsi gmt for dad(D) polar expy II(z) 1675 gmt circa 68' ladies datejust on jubilee for mom (z) sea dweller16600(M) SS Sub-C(g) Omega Planet Ocean,45.5 on mesh(2500D)

25 October 2015, 04:47 AM	#2
cornerstore "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 4,010	Good to know, thanks.

25 October 2015, 10:30 AM	#5
kooltzar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Zürich Watch: Submariner 5512 Posts: 922	A few weeks ago I saw a rosegold chocolate daytona for sale on ebay from a 100% feedback seller at a no reserve price starting at 1 CHF, watch location Lausanne. I was sure something was wrong, as no face to face deal was mentioned as an option nor paypal. Sent the seller a few emails that I will only bid under the condition that a face to face deal at Bucherer in lausanne was possible. No answer! Then I was a 100% sure. Still I put a bid of 2400 CHF (for a watch worth around 20,000) just to test him. What a surprise: I won the auction. Sent an email again for arranging face to face deal. Two days later an answer through ebay mail service to contact him through his personal email adress for arranging transaction which which was a german mail adress although watch was supposed to be in Switzerland. I wasn't surprised he did not complain that price was way too low, as obviously I was sure he tried a scam. Again I stated in my response mail that my only way of doing the transaction would be face to face at an AD. He responded soon later that payment should be done through an ebay agent and money would go to him only once I received the watch. Ha ha! He said ebay would send me a respective invoicelike mail with the bank data of the agent and that I should look for this mail in all my folders including spam folder. A minute later I found the mail in my spam folder! It looked very well done like it would really be from ebay and contained all my data and the date of the seller. On the bottom a name of a private person that would be the ebay agent for the payment with all his bank data was indicated. I checked the sender of the mail and it was awconfirm@counsellor.com, so definitely not from ebay (they would never send a mail to spam anyway). As I knew before that this was a scam try I was more amused than shocked. How dum must someone be to fall for such an trick. I contacted ebay and told them the story and sent the email to spoof. Apart from getting some standard emails warning me not to pay, it took them full 3 days until they finally confirmed that someone's account was hacked and blocked it. Before that, the scammer still inserted 3 other watches for sale to try the same trick.

25 October 2015, 11:17 PM	#8
occb2 Banned Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Robert Location: New York Watch: Submariner 16610 Posts: 321	Good question JVmartin. OP. What is the end result? An empty bag/box? Thanks.

27 October 2015, 05:20 AM	#11
rafalova "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Adam Location: Portland, OR Watch: Sub, Fastrider Posts: 66	This seems to be happening more and more, unfortunately. Scammers start with a ridiculously low price (or no reserve), and put in a bunch of fake bids to bump the price, but not by too much. Then, a legit bid comes in and...voila!!...that person gets stuck with it.

30 October 2015, 09:21 PM	#12
Rollie808 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Hawaii Posts: 12	Thanks for sharing! These scammers are getting too clever. If it's too good to be true, I'll pass.

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