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[texex91]

Love all of the '1's that changed overnight...welcome to November!

[lapince]

Originally Posted by conkers

Don't get me started on RM boxes! When I got my 55 and they gave it to me in a winding box, I said WTF?? The dealer said that was standard now! Even for manual watches! DOH!

The winding boxes came in in about 2013 IIRC. Before then, it was a triple box with the inner one being tonneau shaped. The exotic models came in the old days with a lozenge shaped box with a hinged lid and an outer box but I am not sure what the latest ones have. They also dispensed with the leather document wallet a couple of years back and you get a "book" with the warranty card and manual inside it instead now. If one you buy has the old wallet, do make sure it has the information cards and instruction sheet as well as the warranty one.

They give them to you in a winder even if you're getting a manual wind??? Now that's interesting

[brmeyers]

Originally Posted by conkers

The papers are important if the watch has a problem, but also if you come to sell - the value of a watch will be much less than one with. There is the risk that RM may not repair a watch that has no papers. Of course if the watch is outside warranty and does not require a repair or a service, then no issue (other than resale). There is also the question of authenticity and of course if the watch has papers, it can help prove (but is no guarantee of) authenticity. The new RM warranty papers are much more difficult to forge with holographic images. Trusted.com can also help on this if you have the serial number of the watch. As for servicing costs, they have fixed price servicing for the simpler models. Your friendly AD should be able to give you a sense. No more expensive than PP unless there is a big problem or major damage to the casework.

I was hoping it was more like Rolex when you buy one with no papers. Send it to an RSC and get at least service papers back showing its authentic and of course getting a full service.

I would mind even paying a few thousand if the RM could be sent to a service center, given a full service and returned with at least service papers. Maybe they don't do that, in which case I would definitely stick to only papers. If I bought a used Ferarri, and something happened out of warranty, I might have to pay a huge servicing and repair charge, BUT AT LEAST it COULD be serviced.

My main question, is even if I have to pay and arm and a leg, can an RM watch get serviced without papers? The sellers are but trusted, so I am not worried about it not being a RM. I just want to know the watch could get fixed even if I have to pay a hefty premium.

Originally Posted by texex91

Very wise words from a very wise person

No papers is a non-starter on an RM for me. Also, I certainly understand everyone has a budget, however in the case of RM, chasing the 'best deal' may not be the best idea longer term when you want to exit the watch and incur a potential larger hit (due to demand or lack of in a model).

Trying them on as we both mentioned is absolutely mandatory. RM is not a watch brand that you want to get in and flip a month later (unless you have very deep pockets).

Excited you are doing your due diligence on RM and look forward to feedback after you have tried several on

Yes Paul, they are wise words indeed, as are yours.
No huge rush but if I can find an RM10 for 45-50K or in that neighborhood, I would be really excited. If I have to pay closer to retail, it will have to wait probably 6 months longer. And yes I am planning to try them on before pulling an triggers, but on paper and from looking and LOTS of pictures and videos, the RM10 Ti is a bit more my size and price. Would I like the extra features of the RM11, yes... Do I want to pay $30-$40K more (retail is $75K vs $115K) no..lol. but never say never... If I can get more confidence buying second hand, that might changes things a bit.

[brmeyers]

Here's an odd question, would anyone here jump from rolex straight to RM with no Pateks or APs in between?
I say that because I love the idea of watches that are luxurious and can take a beating.
I am not a formal dress kind of person. Besides rolex, that is hard to find that.
I probably will have at least one Patek. But man, I am lately lusting the RM a bit more.
But I hear you try them on... I will.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

My main question, is even if I have to pay and arm and a leg, can an RM watch get serviced without papers? The sellers are but trusted, so I am not worried about it not being a RM. I just want to know the watch could get fixed even if I have to pay a hefty premium.



Do I want to pay $30-$40K more (retail is $75K vs $115K) no..lol. but never say never... If I can get more confidence buying second hand, that might changes things a bit.

Oh RM will be happy to take your $3-$5k (just throwing out numbers) on a full service as long as the watch is authentic and not stolen.

I will tell you a story of a friend this week that was dead set on a particular RM, tried it on and didn't like it. Then saw a pic of 030 and said "it's perfect", went to try it on and said "too small and plain"...point is you MUST try on RM (I know broken record), but pics are often very different than reality.

As always, buy the seller then buy the watch.

[brmeyers]

Originally Posted by texex91

Oh RM will be happy to take your $3-$5k (just throwing out numbers) on a full service as long as the watch is authentic and not stolen.

I will tell you a story of a friend this week that was dead set on a particular RM, tried it on and didn't like it. Then saw a 030 and said "it's perfect", went to try it on and said "too small and plain"...point is you MUST try on RM (I know broken record), but pics are often very different that reality.

As always, buy the seller then buy the watch.

I got it, thanks ... what's the saying.. "repetition is the mother of all learning".
So broken records are welcome

[brmeyers]

Oh just one more thing, if you can find a preowned without papers that is $10,000 less than a preowned with papers, paying $3-5K makes economic sense. And that is only if something happens. But if the warranty is expired, I imagine you have to pay the service fee anyway?
I understand for resale it helps, but if you buy for a lot less and sell it down the road for a lot less, its still not too far off.
Big question mark for me, even after what you said is WILL the RM AD service a watch with no papers.
If they will, then I would consider (I know after I try on and know what I want..lol).
Sorry to beat this question into the ground, but its important to know for me approaching this.
(the sellers I am looking at are very trusted, so no worries on authenticity, just servicing).

[texex91]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

Oh just one more thing, if you can find a preowned without papers that is $10,000 less than a preowned with papers, paying $3-5K makes economic sense. And that is only if something happens. But if the warranty is expired, I imagine you have to pay the service fee anyway?
I understand for resale it helps, but if you buy for a lot less and sell it down the road for a lot less, its still not too far off.
Big question mark for me, even after what you said is WILL the RM AD service a watch with no papers.
If they will, then I would consider (I know after I try on and know what I want..lol).
Sorry to beat this question into the ground, but its important to know for me approaching this.
(the sellers I am looking at are very trusted, so no worries on authenticity, just servicing).

Not answering anymore questions until you actually try it on

Seriously, only you can answer the question if you are comfortable buying an RM without papers (I wouldn't, but I'm strange ) .

I can tell you think about resale as well...many might want papers. Call RM Boutique in FL and just ask them directly on servicing so you get it from RM direct.

The papers are for the warranty, if out of warranty, cash is king.

[brmeyers]

Got it, thanks ^^^

[Colin W]

Originally Posted by texex91

Interestingly enough, RM really doesn't come with a 'box'. It actually comes with a pretty amazing watch winder (at least the newer pieces), that has an automatic door that slides open on the front. Roger can correct me, but I believe earlier pieces may have come with a leather box. The reason some secondary pieces don't have the 'box' (winder) is that the person probably sold it as they go for $2-$3k.

But yes, papers, mucho importante.

Thanks for the update Paul. I didn't realise they came with winders as standard now - which is a nice touch as all my watch boxes just end up in storage anyway.



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[Colin W]

Originally Posted by conkers

Don't get me started on RM boxes! When I got my 55 and they gave it to me in a winding box, I said WTF?? The dealer said that was standard now! Even for manual watches! DOH!

The winding boxes came in in about 2013 IIRC. Before then, it was a triple box with the inner one being tonneau shaped. The exotic models came in the old days with a lozenge shaped box with a hinged lid and an outer box but I am not sure what the latest ones have. They also dispensed with the leather document wallet a couple of years back and you get a "book" with the warranty card and manual inside it instead now. If one you buy has the old wallet, do make sure it has the information cards and instruction sheet as well as the warranty one.

Thanks for the info Roger.
Hard to believe you get a wonder with a manual wind watch! Still useful to keep one of your automatic pieces on, way better than a box which will never be used.


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[Colin W]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

Oh just one more thing, if you can find a preowned without papers that is $10,000 less than a preowned with papers, paying $3-5K makes economic sense. And that is only if something happens. But if the warranty is expired, I imagine you have to pay the service fee anyway?
I understand for resale it helps, but if you buy for a lot less and sell it down the road for a lot less, its still not too far off.
Big question mark for me, even after what you said is WILL the RM AD service a watch with no papers.
If they will, then I would consider (I know after I try on and know what I want..lol).
Sorry to beat this question into the ground, but its important to know for me approaching this.
(the sellers I am looking at are very trusted, so no worries on authenticity, just servicing).

As Paul says, get confirmation from RM direct, however I believe RM will be more than happy to take your money to service a watch with no papers. Also you then have some documented proof of authenticity and a service record so if you can pick up way cheaper without papers it may be worth considering.

When you try a few on I bet you will start to consider models you never gave a second look at in pictures.

Good luck.




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[brmeyers]

Originally Posted by Colin W

As Paul says, get confirmation from RM direct, however I believe RM will be more than happy to take your money to service a watch with no papers. Also you then have some documented proof of authenticity and a service record so if you can pick up way cheaper without papers it may be worth considering.

When you try a few on I bet you will start to consider models you never gave a second look at in pictures.

Good luck.




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Thanks,this is what I am hoping, because with RSC's you can take a Rolex with no warranty card or papers and get it serviced and the service record proves authenticity and gives you some papers. Albeit they are service papers but still proof and a record of service.

But as everyone is recommending, I will try on models first, then start searching for second hand. Before buying anythng with no papers I will call AD and RM headquarters to make sure I can have it serviced.

I think everyone has answered all my questions (for now).

[texex91]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

Thanks,this is what I am hoping, because with RSC's you can take a Rolex with no warranty card or papers and get it serviced and the service record proves authenticity and gives you some papers. Albeit they are service papers but still proof and a record of service.

But as everyone is recommending, I will try on models first, then start searching for second hand. Before buying anythng with no papers I will call AD and RM headquarters to make sure I can have it serviced.

I think everyone has answered all my questions (for now).

Unlike Rolex, no one else can service RM. You can take a Rolex to one of 100's places in the US to service...RM not so much.

Forget calling local AD, call Westime in CA (call BH Boutique which Westime owns) since that is where all RM's go for service in the US. They are also the US distributor for all new RM watches that enter the US.

BTW: Here is RM service Link: http://www.richardmille.com/services...y-maintenance/

[lapince]

never heard of a brand asking you for the papers when you give it for service or repair, you need to show if it's under guarantee, if not don't see the reason to show them

about the papers as much as I could buy a no box watch I would't get a no papers one

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

Here's an odd question, would anyone here jump from rolex straight to RM with no Pateks or APs in between?
I say that because I love the idea of watches that are luxurious and can take a beating.
I am not a formal dress kind of person. Besides rolex, that is hard to find that.
I probably will have at least one Patek. But man, I am lately lusting the RM a bit more.
But I hear you try them on... I will.

Well, Pateks can't take a beating lately, but they can certainly give a beating (on resale values). They really flood the market with their high end pieces now. There's nothing collectible about this generation of Patek watches for the next hundred years or so until the world population catches up with their production numbers...

[conkers]

Yes crazy that they give a winder for a manual watch. Makes zero sense.

I have never bought an RM without papers so I don't know if there would be an issue with servicing. I was just urging caution. If the difference in price is really 25 per cent then it may be a risk worth taking. But in my experience the difference is never that much so not worth the risk.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by edo

I don't know... just saw instagram post...

Here is new NTPT Blake or very good photoshop :)

I always found this model horrible, whichever the way they make it, those green bars are really not for me, but tastes…..

Originally Posted by edo

Another great shot of anniversary by acgold6 instagram.

This one is very cool on the other hand...

[brmeyers]

Yes, that was my plan, I have talked to Philippe Marquet in the past about the RM35 there and was going to call.
Swiss Francs are on par with U.S. dollars so that's basically a U.S. pricelist.
I can live with those costs when necessary, if I find a steep discount.
Thanks Paul, I appreciate all the info

Originally Posted by texex91

Unlike Rolex, no one else can service RM. You can take a Rolex to one of 100's places in the US to service...RM not so much.

Forget calling local AD, call Westime in CA (call BH Boutique which Westime owns) since that is where all RM's go for service in the US. They are also the US distributor for all new RM watches that enter the US.

BTW: Here is RM service Link: http://www.richardmille.com/services...y-maintenance/

[brmeyers]

Originally Posted by conkers

Yes crazy that they give a winder for a manual watch. Makes zero sense.

I have never bought an RM without papers so I don't know if there would be an issue with servicing. I was just urging caution. If the difference in price is really 25 per cent then it may be a risk worth taking. But in my experience the difference is never that much so not worth the risk.

Ok thanks... I saw an RM10 for $44,000 from a trusted buyer. That is more than 25% of retail. No papers though.
Going to Miami Boutique to try on different models hopefully this coming month sometime.

[brmeyers]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

Well, Pateks can't take a beating lately, but they can certainly give a beating (on resale values). They really flood the market with their high end pieces now. There's nothing collectible about this generation of Patek watches for the next hundred years or so until the world population catches up with their production numbers...

The whole reason I went down the RM rabbithole is that I like to play tennis, golf, basketball, beach activities and workout.
I use my SS Submariner as my beater, but its not the an ideal fit for me for tennis and golf and basketball. I find myself taking it off.
With the super lightweightness of RM, super scratch resistance and shock resistance, I really have yearned for a luxury watch I can show off during even sports and activities.
For me, I spend maybe 2 days a year in a suit and a tie, so wearing a special watch for sports and activities is actually more important.
I yearn for a Patek right know , but I outright lust for an RM. Can't wait to try them on.
I may end up with just my Smurf and saving for an RM instead of getting the two Pateks I was planning. Just need to go and try them on. We'll see...

[texex91]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

For me, I spend maybe 2 days a year in a suit and a tie, so wearing a special watch for sports and activities is actually more important.
I yearn for a Patek right know , but I outright lust for an RM. Can't wait to try them on.
I may end up with just my Smurf and saving for an RM instead of getting the two Pateks I was planning. Just need to go and try them on. We'll see...

looking forward to your thoughts after hitting the boutique. Have a feeling you will be sold immediately--hard part is deciding.

Based upon your lifestyle, I'm not sure why you would even want a Patek. You will quickly forget about adding anything else...start saving

[brmeyers]

Originally Posted by texex91

looking forward to your thoughts after hitting the boutique. Have a feeling you will be sold immediately--hard part is deciding.

Based upon your lifestyle, I'm not sure why you would even want a Patek. You will quickly forget about adding anything else...start saving

You might be right
I'll keep everyone posted when I have a chance to go this month.

[edo]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

You might be right
I'll keep everyone posted when I have a chance to go this month.

My visit to RM Paris boutique ruined desire for any other sport watch EVER, and it's not a good thing in my case because I'm not even near market for one...

But let's share some great pics of aerodyne NTPT limited by hautime :)

[texex91]

Originally Posted by edo

My visit to RM Paris boutique ruined desire for any other sport watch EVER, and it's not a good thing in my case because I'm not even near market for one...

But let's share some great pics of aerodyne NTPT limited by hautime :)

Wow--that case is amazing.

[cmcm3]

Originally Posted by edo

My visit to RM Paris boutique ruined desire for any other sport watch EVER, and it's not a good thing in my case because I'm not even near market for one...

But let's share some great pics of aerodyne NTPT limited by hautime :)

That case is so cool - what does the "HNW" stand for beside the 3? Surely not high net worth? If you're wearing a Richard Mille that must speak for itself in most cases...

[Colin W]

I really like the way a lot of RM case sides are a different material than the bezel & case back. Makes for a very unique and interesting look👍


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[cmcm3]

Originally Posted by Colin W

I really like the way a lot of RM case sides are a different material than the bezel & case back. Makes for a very unique and interesting look👍


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Agreed - its a great design feature.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by cmcm3

That case is so cool - what does the "HNW" stand for beside the 3? Surely not high net worth? If you're wearing a Richard Mille that must speak for itself in most cases...

I believe it's:

H: Crown out one notch - adjust the 'hands'
N: Crown in - 'neutral'
W: Crown out two notches - 'winding'

[lapince]

Originally Posted by brmeyers

You might be right
I'll keep everyone posted when I have a chance to go this month.

Well having a Patek, 5167, 5711 or 5712 AND a RM would make an awesome duo, one "sporty" and one really sport...

Originally Posted by edo

My visit to RM Paris boutique ruined desire for any other sport watch EVER, and it's not a good thing in my case because I'm not even near market for one...

But let's share some great pics of aerodyne NTPT limited by hautime :)

very cool, much nicer IMO than the original one...