I have a dilemma...opinions needed.

[omitohud]

I bought on impulse this snowflake from the bay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221743937714...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

After i got it i noticed there r chips on the outer rim at 4 n between 6 n 7. Even though they r not obvious, they r there.

I know i should have checked before bidding but shouldnt the seller mentioned it? What do u guys think? Should i return it or its still a good price for what i paid?

Btw, the seller most likely bought it from hqmilton.

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1970...6_0_snowflake1

As u can see the dial already had chips at the same exact spots. Sucks i really like the watch. Thanks in advance.


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[Vincent65]

I think the photo is disclosure enough, personally. Surprised you missed that!? If you like it; keep it!

[Andad]

IMO the seller has made sure that those chips were shown in his pix.

The zoom function on Ebay makes the chips at 8 very clear.

I don't think you have a case to return the watch for the reasons you have given.

[linesiders]

Short version. Photos are enough disclosure on visible condition things. If seller stated it runs well and when you get it the watch does not you might have recourse, or if they stated flawless dial and it didn't...

As for the 7016 - I kinda like it, like that girl in High School now 20 years later ;)

While I like watches that look life safe queens I also like the ones that look like they have trekked half the world too.

I would send the dial off to Michael Young for a touch up only. And MAYBE a color match on the hands. That is a pretty cool looking piece, one that can look at the safe queens and call them (rhymes with) "Wussies"

[V.lats97nsx]

I like it. I have a blue snowflake with a chip. Doesn't bother me at all.

[nsumner]

Looks good enough for the price, nice watch. I'd keep it.

Yup.....the seller must have bought from HQ or at least used their photo set. I'd recognize those pics anywhere.

[roll9]

Would not be Somthing that would even bother me on that watch at all. if you were looking for a pristine example only to be worn on special occasions that would be a different thing.

[roll9]

I forgot to mention that is a cool looking watch

[omitohud]

Thanks guys. I guess i should not bid on the bay from my phone in the future. I think i can live with the scars. What caught my attention was the swiss only which i think was the earliest snowflake dial. Now i have to source a new set of hands n put it on bracelet. 😅


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[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by omitohud

Thanks guys. I guess i should not bid on the bay from my phone in the future. I think i can live with the scars. What caught my attention was the swiss only which i think was the earliest snowflake dial. Now i have to source a new set of hands n put it on bracelet. 😅


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Just enjoy it now - cool watch!

[omitohud]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Just enjoy it now - cool watch!

Txs bro. Will do.


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[linesiders]

Originally Posted by omitohud

Now i have to source a new set of hands n put it on bracelet. 😅

If I were you I would consider to have the dial and hands removed and sent to Michael Young to have the hour and seconds match the minute and the dial plots. Then have MY repair just the chips on the dial.

[andromeda160]

Excellent condition vintage 1970 Tudor Submariner Snowflake 7016/0 timepiece with a fat font bezel insert and an evenly aged luminous Swiss only dial. This is a rare watch and the model was issued to the military during this period.

CASE & BRACELET

Excellent super thick case with sharp bevels and very nice fat font bezel insert.

The case back is stamped IV. 70

Black/Blue Nato strap.



DIAL

Excellent Swiss only dial with evenly aged luminous and even texture on the dial. There are light hour-hand drag markings on the dial.

The tritium second and minute hands are darker than the dial.



I think you do have an argument, they think it's worth mentioning hand drag but not chunks of missing paint? the Rehaut reflection off the crystal makes it appear to be missing dial paint in some pictures, If it wasn't mentioned, I would've suspected missing paint but not automatically assumed.

[omitohud]

Originally Posted by linesiders

If I were you I would consider to have the dial and hands removed and sent to Michael Young to have the hour and seconds match the minute and the dial plots. Then have MY repair just the chips on the dial.

Will consider that, especially if im going to stop by HK. Ive seen his work n met him in person, not bad at all. Txs. 👍


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[omitohud]

Originally Posted by andromeda160

Excellent condition vintage 1970 Tudor Submariner Snowflake 7016/0 timepiece with a fat font bezel insert and an evenly aged luminous Swiss only dial. This is a rare watch and the model was issued to the military during this period.

CASE & BRACELET

Excellent super thick case with sharp bevels and very nice fat font bezel insert.

The case back is stamped IV. 70

Black/Blue Nato strap.



DIAL

Excellent Swiss only dial with evenly aged luminous and even texture on the dial. There are light hour-hand drag markings on the dial.

The tritium second and minute hands are darker than the dial.



I think you do have an argument, they think it's worth mentioning hand drag but not chunks of missing paint? the Rehaut reflection off the crystal makes it appear to be missing dial paint in some pictures, If it wasn't mentioned, I would've suspected missing paint but not automatically assumed.

I guess i could. Maybe it wont make a case. Its just that i feel a good seller should disclose all flaws to potential buyer instead of trying to get away with it. Ive decided to keep the watch but thanks for ur view on this. 👍


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[andromeda160]

Originally Posted by omitohud

I guess i could. Maybe it wont make a case. Its just that i feel a good seller should disclose all flaws to potential buyer instead of trying to get away with it. Ive decided to keep the watch but thanks for ur view on this. 👍


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It is sad, doesn't appear to be too bad a price at least. Clearly not an excellent condition dial as advertised though, I look forward to some wrist shots

[swish77]

I'd be pissed. The chips in the photos almost look as if they could be reflections, so I'm not surprised you missed them. The seller should have disclosed the chips, especially since the other blemishes were disclosed, so it makes it seem as if there wouldn't be any other issues with the dial. (I'm also very surprised the HQMilton site didn't mention the chips in the original listing.)

Another issue I'd have is that the seller just took the old photos from the HQMilton site, and the old description. I don't think that's right. The new owner should take his own up-to-date photos. Still a cool-looking watch, of course.

[springer]

Originally Posted by omitohud

I bought on impulse this snowflake from the bay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221743937714...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

After i got it i noticed there r chips on the outer rim at 4 n between 6 n 7. Even though they r not obvious, they r there.

I know i should have checked before bidding but shouldnt the seller mentioned it? What do u guys think? Should i return it or its still a good price for what i paid?

Btw, the seller most likely bought it from hqmilton.

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1970...6_0_snowflake1

As u can see the dial already had chips at the same exact spots. Sucks i really like the watch. Thanks in advance.


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If you are not happy with the purchase - return it. The dial defects should have been mentioned in the listing.

[Lgear080]

Good luck finding another, even with chips, at that price.

I'd keep it based on that alone. Needs some dial touch up, who cares.

[omitohud]

Thanks all for the support. 👍

Here r some wrist shots. Notice on the second close up, there r some dust particles near 4 marker. I think they r from the lume on the hour hand flaking off. I really have to find a replacement soon. Never mind the imprint on my wrist. I was taking a nap with it on. Lol.


My first snowflake. Yeay.


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[Old Expat Beast]

The hour hand would bother me as much as the dial.

[Lgear080]

It's all fixable though... And it will look great.

[inzite]

probably should have skipped, too many flaws...

[andromeda160]

Originally Posted by inzite

probably should have skipped, too many flaws...

X2 paints chipping on over 15% of the minute markers. At the very minimum i would try to get a few $$$ shaved off. Never hurts to ask, but that watch was grossly misrepresented, i'd hate to see what he considers a poor dial if this is excellent.

[jason42807]

I know this is an old thread, like almost a year old, but thought this was interesting in regards to this watch. Seems like it made its rounds in a short period.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ight=7016+dial

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by jason42807

I know this is an old thread, like almost a year old, but thought this was interesting in regards to this watch. Seems like it made its rounds in a short period.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ight=7016+dial

That's a for sale post by Jacek from HQ Milton, which the OP mentions in his very first post. He (Jacek) will frequently post items for sale at the store in SF on the forum here.

[omitohud]

Originally Posted by jason42807

I know this is an old thread, like almost a year old, but thought this was interesting in regards to this watch. Seems like it made its rounds in a short period.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ight=7016+dial

Hi Jason. Thanks for finding this. Lol. Can't believe this thread is still alive n well. Now that I've seen the original posting by Jacek, it's been proven the seller wasn't honest in not disclosing the flaws. Jacek did mentioned it. Oh well, I paid less, n it's actually a nice watch, so I learn to live with it. 😜


I blame it on the autoconnect.