Help..Which one 233 or 270?

[leopardprey]

GMTJohnny, GMT hand on the Panerai Model 233, does only 12 hour rotations on the dial, instead of a 24 hour rotation like on the Rolex GMT. Very easy to use. Their is a night or day indicator then that corresponds with the GMT hand, located in the sub-seconds dial. This also has the added benifit, that if you do not want the GMT Hand to show, or if you are exactly 12 hours time difference (such as China vs USA EST) the GMT Hand hides behind the Hour hand.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by leopardprey

GMTJohnny, GMT hand on the Panerai Model 233, does only 12 hour rotations on the dial, instead of a 24 hour rotation like on the Rolex GMT. Very easy to use. Their is a night or day indicator then that corresponds with the GMT hand, located in the sub-seconds dial. This also has the added benifit, that if you do not want the GMT Hand to show, or if you are exactly 12 hours time difference (such as China vs USA EST) the GMT Hand hides behind the Hour hand.

I like the 24h hand "hidden on my 289 Nifty feature !!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by SlowKarter

I completely agree with the PR meter being moved to the back. I love that in my 190. Out of the way, not cluttering the dial.

IMO the 10 day power reserve would be my choice.

Moving the PR meter to the back is a great idea. The Pam stops, you take it off, turn it over and you will know exactly why.

Bit like not cluttering up the dash of your car with a petrol gauge - the car stops - you open the boot - check the gauge??

This was a great thread - could you run it past me again?

[leopardprey]

IMHO, the Power Reserve guage actually is very subdued when you see a 233/289/268/270 etc.. in person. Located where on most Panerai's there is printing of the word Panerai or other word, so just blends in with the dial. Guage is very "tool" looking.

[duc748]

Originally Posted by GMTJOHNNY

I JUST DONT'T GET IT...I own a Rolex GMT and can't understand how this Pan could function (GMT wise) without hour markers on the bezel.
HOW do you tell time in another timezone with this watch?
Their website was useless.
I see many other GMT watches that seem to have the 4th hand but no way to use it.....
Anyone?

I used to question on how PAM's GMT function works until I own 233. It might be time for you to own one as well

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by GMTJOHNNY

I JUST DONT'T GET IT...I own a Rolex GMT and can't understand how this Pan could function (GMT wise) without hour markers on the bezel.
HOW do you tell time in another timezone with this watch?
Their website was useless.
I see many other GMT watches that seem to have the 4th hand but no way to use it.....
Anyone?

Yep, put an am/pm indicator of some type on the face and you don't need the clutter of a bunch of numerals on the bezel. Now what you can't do with a 233 that you can with a GMT-II is rotate the dial for a third TZ. I have always maintained that if you know how much to rotate the dial it's easier to just calculate the 3rd TZ in your head. I have since been convinced that if you rotate the dial can keep it there you do get a quasi-3 TZ display. I guess you can think of it as an Explorer II as that bezel is fixed.

I love the fact that you can conceal the second TZ hand under the hour hand when not required an get a fairly clean face. I like the shark's tooth PR meter, but I know some don't.

[HKperf]

man i have the same problem with this..
i have a 233 and seen and tried on the 270. the 270 is looks awesome and love the size and its weight..do i like the auto wind? not too sure. is 270 worth $16100 vs $13700?
justify $2400?? if they were both the same price then 270 all the way.
someone just sell me a 270 for 13700 haha~

[Teofilo]

Love the look of a 233, but way out of my price range......
Looks very "tool" to my way of thinking.....

[funlab]

still not able to reconcile an auto having a power reserve meter on it. what were they thinking?

[leopardprey]

Well, there are a lot of Auto Watches out there with Power Reserve indicators. But usually they are Autos with only a 42 hr reserve.

[learnmore60]

I actually think auto with a power reserve is quite a cool idea for watch collectors of today who have more of hectic lifestyle. I agree it may not be purist but then things evolve and peoples lives and needs change with the times. Possibly collectors today have a larger collection of watches and like to alternate wearing their watches frequently, this is where long power reserve come into play. i.e. just pick up a watch from you collection and wear it without wondering about winding it...For those who like autos i think its a great extension and its all about pushing of technology and engineering even further.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by learnmore60

I actually think auto with a power reserve is quite a cool idea for watch collectors of today who have more of hectic lifestyle. I agree it may not be purist but then things evolve and peoples lives and needs change with the times. Possibly collectors today have a larger collection of watches and like to alternate wearing their watches frequently, this is where long power reserve come into play. i.e. just pick up a watch from you collection and wear it without wondering about winding it...For those who like autos i think its a great extension and its all about pushing of technology and engineering even further.

10 days power reserve and auto winding when wearing .... Thats very practical !! Always wound.

[SlowKarter]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

10 days power reserve and auto winding when wearing .... Thats very practical !! Always wound.

+1

Let's see, IWC Big Pilot, a watch undesired by most , 7 day auto PR. Same w/ the Big Ingenieur and Portuguese 5001.

It just doesn't make sense

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by SlowKarter

+1

Let's see, IWC Big Pilot, a watch undesired by most , 7 day auto PR. Same w/ the Big Ingenieur and Portuguese 5001.

It just doesn't make sense

Big Pliot in rosegold is awesome !! Scarce and expensive !!

[learnmore60]

Nearly all the watches I like to buy are autos because I prefer not to have to remember winding them, and most of the ones I have a 48 power reserve.

Especially since I like to change wearing my watches often i.e. 3-5 days. With the long power reserve, I could just pick up the watch within 10 days and wear it without having to set date or time or wind... I think thats practical..

[SlowKarter]

Originally Posted by learnmore60

Nearly all the watches I like to buy are autos because I prefer not to have to remember winding them, and most of the ones I have a 48 power reserve.

Especially since I like to change wearing my watches often i.e. 3-5 days. With the long power reserve, I could just pick up the watch within 10 days and wear it without having to set date or time or wind... I think thats practical..

... glad i'm not the only one chanting this

[jimand7]

Originally Posted by SlowKarter

... glad i'm not the only one chanting this

The 2400 price difference seems a bit inconsequential for a watch in the this prics range. I really like both watches but would opt for the 270. If I am going to spend 14 I might as well spend 16 and get the one that sings....that is what happened on my pam90 purchase. I thought about the 104 but liked the 90 a little better and the price difference(1800 or so), while meaningful I would hate to look at the 104 everyday and wish it was the 90.

[SlowKarter]

Originally Posted by jimand7

The 2400 price difference seems a bit inconsequential for a watch in the this prics range. I really like both watches but would opt for the 270. If I am going to spend 14 I might as well spend 16 and get the one that sings....that is what happened on my pam90 purchase. I thought about the 104 but liked the 90 a little better and the price difference(1800 or so), while meaningful I would hate to look at the 104 everyday and wish it was the 90.

I echo your sentiments exactly. That's how I felt when I saw the 233/270.

[Teofilo]

Originally Posted by SlowKarter

I echo your sentiments exactly. That's how I felt when I saw the 233/270.

Why not go for broke and get a 275 ?
I think it was Leopardprey (Chad) who recently described this as the ultimate modern tool watch...........its got a bit of everything !

[SlowKarter]

Actually, the 317 would be really nice if it had a date.

Personally, I have no need for a chronograph. I have 2 chrono's and I never use them to time anything.

[learnmore60]

The 317 is stunning looking watch but will list at $25k+ and as my first Panerai, makes sense to go for a steel instead of a black ceramic.

Similarly the 275 is pretty much like the 317 in functionality. I dont think its worth paying the extra for the chrono (would rather use the extra $$ and get auto 10 day 270) and I agree date is important for me.

Right now I'm getting some prices.. I am able to get the 270 in London at list and the 233 with 5% discount from an AD. But I know in the US the price is cheaper, so just working out my options right now... Cant wait to finalize this!