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Larrymontre · 17 October 2016, 09:45 AM

What premium would box and papers add to a matte 5513? The seller I'm dealing with says they're worth at the very least $1,000.

subtona · 17 October 2016, 09:56 AM

Sounds fair but all depends how you see it.

JP Chestnut · 17 October 2016, 09:59 AM

0 to some, lots to others. I think they would add more to the value of a great example than they would to a crappy one.

Haywood_Milton · 17 October 2016, 10:07 AM

I would say punched papers add more than this, but hand-written ones add nothing for me unless supported by credible, additional evidence.

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springer · 17 October 2016, 10:44 AM

My perspective regarding handwritten warranty papers is that they weren't that common, but did occur. After all, it was just a paper giving the buyer some peace-of-mind detailing their warranty upon their purchase.

Buyers should evaluate their purchases according, whether the warranty or chronometer certificates/papers are typed or hand written.

brandrea · 17 October 2016, 10:46 AM

It sounds reasonable to me

harry in montreal · 17 October 2016, 12:54 PM

I have hand written papers for my 1675. I will post them one of these days

Robbyvm · 17 October 2016, 10:57 PM

even the punched papers could be dubious.... there was a nice little scandal on this some time ago
paranoia is never good but since the premium for papers has become high, the scammers will be there...

swish77 · 18 October 2016, 01:39 AM

If the guarantee paper and box are legit, it's definitely worth an additional $1,000. That's a bargain. Most dealers/sellers jack up the price a lot more than that on a vintage sports Rolex, especially if it is a true full set.

onthedial · 19 October 2016, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

0 to some, lots to others. I think they would add more to the value of a great example than they would to a crappy one.

Re: I think they would add more to the value of a great example than they would to a crappy one.

This is becoming more and more apparent as it becomes increasingly difficult to find "collector level" timepieces. Box and papers really enhance the collectability of vintage watches that are in excellent condition. It's like the cherry on top. That said, box and papers can't make a damaged or overly polished reference suddenly desirable (lipstick on a pig).
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Tools · 19 October 2016, 12:08 PM

Exactly.

If the watch is a poor example, they are worth zip.. or at least should be to you.

If it is a mint, or high quality example, provenance can only add to it's value.

Do not fall into the trap of thinking that it adds $xxx to the price in every case.

17 October 2016, 09:45 AM	#1
Larrymontre "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Florida Posts: 5	Box and paper value for 5513 What premium would box and papers add to a matte 5513? The seller I'm dealing with says they're worth at the very least $1,000.

17 October 2016, 09:56 AM	#2
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,543	Sounds fair but all depends how you see it. __________________

17 October 2016, 10:07 AM	#4
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,330	I would say punched papers add more than this, but hand-written ones add nothing for me unless supported by credible, additional evidence. H __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

17 October 2016, 10:57 PM	#8
Robbyvm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,239	even the punched papers could be dubious.... there was a nice little scandal on this some time ago paranoia is never good but since the premium for papers has become high, the scammers will be there... __________________ Instagram : robbyvm Pinterest : robbyvanmele

19 October 2016, 12:08 PM	#11
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,490	Exactly. If the watch is a poor example, they are worth zip.. or at least should be to you. If it is a mint, or high quality example, provenance can only add to it's value. Do not fall into the trap of thinking that it adds $xxx to the price in every case. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

17 October 2016, 09:59 AM	#3
JP Chestnut Banned Join Date: May 2012 Location: Ann Arbor MI Watch: Rolex Ref 16600 Posts: 3,908	0 to some, lots to others. I think they would add more to the value of a great example than they would to a crappy one.

17 October 2016, 10:46 AM	#6
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 77,743	It sounds reasonable to me

17 October 2016, 12:54 PM	#7
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	I have hand written papers for my 1675. I will post them one of these days

18 October 2016, 01:39 AM	#9
swish77 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 6,981	If the guarantee paper and box are legit, it's definitely worth an additional $1,000. That's a bargain. Most dealers/sellers jack up the price a lot more than that on a vintage sports Rolex, especially if it is a true full set.

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