Pam0005 losing time

[profjohn]

Can I have your thoughts on this: my new Pam 00005 loses about 30 secs 3 days after I synchronised it with my Pam 0000. I am very disappointed. The Pam 00005 is only a month old and the 0000 a week old. The problem with Panerais is that there are no minute markers so it's hard to know if you have synchronised it properly.

I wind the watches fully every morning but haven't worn them yet. Not sure if this is causing a problem.

Also, can you please tell me if it is acceptable for the luminova on a painted Panerai to be uneven. I notice some uneveness on the level of the paint when looked at under the light.

[morgman]

Originally Posted by profjohn

Can I have your thoughts on this: my new Pam 00005 loses about 30 secs 3 days after I synchronised it with my Pam 0000. I am very disappointed. The Pam 00005 is only a month old and the 0000 a week old. The problem with Panerais is that there are no minute markers so it's hard to know if you have synchronised it properly.

I wind the watches fully every morning but haven't worn them yet. Not sure if this is causing a problem.

Also, can you please tell me if it is acceptable for the luminova on a painted Panerai to be uneven. I notice some uneveness on the level of the paint when looked at under the light.

Perhaps your 000 is gaining 5 a day, while your 005 is losing 5 ? (which would still be in COSC).

It was also my understanding that they don't COSC the 000 & 005. My 000 runs a bit fast. They *should* be able to get it into COSC using one of those computer-based timing listeners.

[profjohn]

Originally Posted by morgman

Perhaps your 000 is gaining 5 a day, while your 005 is losing 5 ? (which would still be in COSC).

It was also my understanding that they don't COSC the 000 & 005. My 000 runs a bit fast. They *should* be able to get it into COSC using one of those computer-based timing listeners.

Good point. It didn't occur to me! I initially thought my 0005 was a little off. Do you think I should ask my AD to send it back to Richemont for factory service? I am a little annoyed about some slight uneveness on the luminova paint on '2' at 12 o clock and at 3 o'clock. Do you think the uneveness is normal?

[Launch Mini]

Pretty cool on the PAM 0 timing, as last time I checked, there is no second hand.
Try timing off the net rather than against each other.
In you bought BNIB, then get them to tune up the Lume.

[Timekiller]

Originally Posted by profjohn

Can I have your thoughts on this: my new Pam 00005 loses about 30 secs 3 days after I synchronised it with my Pam 0000. I am very disappointed. The Pam 00005 is only a month old and the 0000 a week old. The problem with Panerais is that there are no minute markers so it's hard to know if you have synchronised it properly.

I wind the watches fully every morning but haven't worn them yet. Not sure if this is causing a problem.

Also, can you please tell me if it is acceptable for the luminova on a painted Panerai to be uneven. I notice some uneveness on the level of the paint when looked at under the light.

The 005 comes with COSC designation the 000 does not. In order to receive the designation the watch has to have a second hand. To reiterate what others have pointed out, both watches need to be checked against the 'Net or a quartz watch to verify what is actually going on. +/- 10 secs a day is within COSC standards so unless it is more than that why send it in? As far as the lume, check with your AD but I'm not sure unless it is noticeable that they will correct it.

[morgman]

Originally Posted by Timekiller

The 005 comes with COSC designation the 000 does not. In order to receive the designation the watch has to have a second hand. To reiterate what others have pointed out, both watches need to be checked against the 'Net or a quartz watch to verify what is actually going on. +/- 10 secs a day is within COSC standards so unless it is more than that why send it in? As far as the lume, check with your AD but I'm not sure unless it is noticeable that they will correct it.

Ahh! I thought both the 000/005 were non-COSC. I stand corrected. Is the 112 COSC?

I wonder if it's just cost, and the lack of second hand is an excuse for not doing COSC on the 000?

I would send it in for the Lume if it's really obvious...Have you looked at it under a loupe?

[Timekiller]

Originally Posted by morgman

Ahh! I thought both the 000/005 were non-COSC. I stand corrected. Is the 112 COSC?

I wonder if it's just cost, and the lack of second hand is an excuse for not doing COSC on the 000?

I would send it in for the Lume if it's really obvious...Have you looked at it under a loupe?

Not a cost factor but rather a function of the COSC standards. From their website.."In its technical regulations, the COSC has included an additional condition, namely the permanent display of the seconds." OP couldn't get a COSC designation for a 000 or a 112 if they wanted.

[profjohn]

Thanks for your advice one and all.

I think I'll have to synchronise it with the time on my computer. I was actually told by the AD that a Panerai should be as accurate as a Rolex at +6 / -4 seconds a day. The Pam0005 is COSC certified, not the 00000. Perhaps she was wrong

[SlowKarter]

Originally Posted by profjohn

Thanks for your advice one and all.

I think I'll have to synchronise it with the time on my computer. I was actually told by the AD that a Panerai should be as accurate as a Rolex at +6 / -4 seconds a day. The Pam0005 is COSC certified, not the 00000. Perhaps she was wrong

the time on my computer is always off. perhaps going on the web and looking up an atomic clock site is better. If you go to time.gov, there is an official time there. The hour maybe off, but at least you can sync the minute and seconds.

[profjohn]

I have taken pics of the lume problem, in an attempt to capture it on camera - but not very well due to lighting problems.

Look closely at the start of the '2' at 12 o'clock. I will bring it to AD tomorrow, they have promised to send it off to Panerai to adjust the timing, but as for the dial, not sure if they will replace it with a new one.

[profjohn]

I got the watch back today! The timing was regulated, but I need to send it back in 8 weeks time for the dial to be replaced as a new one will be sent from Switzerland. I was surprised they didn't provide me with a watch pouch and that the scratches were not polished off! Shouldn't they pack it nicely in a pouch rather than a plastic bag?