NOS 6263 vs PP 5970J

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Jetkopite

That pic of NOS 6263 seems to have a service insert so how can it be NOS??
As for prices on these minty 6263s I'm seeing them going for anywhere between 65k-75k USD full sets..


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That's not a photo of the NOS 6263 to which the OP is referring. It is my 6263, and while very nice it is certainly not NOS, and yes, it sports a later Rolex bezel. I posted the photo in reference to the remark about 6263s in general.

[Daytonaman799]

Originally Posted by swish77

That's not a photo of the NOS 6263 to which the OP is referring. It is my 6263, and while very nice it is certainly not NOS, and yes, it sports a later Rolex bezel. I posted the photo in reference to the remark about 6263s in general.

That is very nice but its not the watch at Christie's...I saw it and held it and that isn't it.

[Vincent65]

What amazes me, although it shouldn't after all these years, is the number of doubters and nay-sayers that such a thing could possibly exist: a NOS watch... WITHOUT box and papers? Ludicrous! How can it be??!!

[Wahlberg]

I'm positive a lot of people are going to place a bid and will push the price up. And I'm sure there are a lot of people who will push their own limits and others so you will pay big time.

[thomaspp]

Originally Posted by roh123

If you plan to wear it; why just don't get a very mint used example instead? You would be able to get an early prototype pusher Daytona or a 6240 if you just skip NOS. Much rarer and imho much more fun watch compared to a late series big red.

Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

I came across a circa 1986 New Old Stock 6263 yesterday. The watch has never been worn or even sized. It does not have box or papers. Its in SS with the silver panda dial. The only thing I have to trade is a PP 5970J that I would be willing to part with with some cash possibly left over. Is that something to even consider or am I totally nuts??

Originally Posted by greekbum

I would never trade that Patek for a 6263

Originally Posted by Michael M.

The days of mint 6263's complete with original boxes and paperwork selling in the $50k range are long gone. I just sold two mint condition 6263's for $55k - both without papers. Expect to pay in the $50k range for a mint example without papers, $60k plus for papers, and well over $80k for a NOS example.

Originally Posted by subtona

difficult choice

the market for vintage rolex has been on quite the rise while the 5970 value has been dropping... whos to say the rolex won't suffer the same fate? moreover who can predict the future of any of them?

both are spectacular pieces.
If forced to make a decision, for me it would be to choose the one that will receive the most wear.

Originally Posted by Jetkopite

Haha show me these full set mint 6263s at 50K USD and I might buy another...

Originally Posted by swish77

That's not a photo of the NOS 6263 to which the OP is referring. It is my 6263, and while very nice it is certainly not NOS, and yes, it sports a later Rolex bezel. I posted the photo in reference to the remark about 6263s in general.

Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

That is very nice but its not the watch at Christie's...I saw it and held it and that isn't it.

Originally Posted by Vincent65

What amazes me, although it shouldn't after all these years, is the number of doubters and nay-sayers that such a thing could possibly exist: a NOS watch... WITHOUT box and papers? Ludicrous! How can it be??!!

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

I'm positive a lot of people are going to place a bid and will push the price up. And I'm sure there are a lot of people who will push their own limits and others so you will pay big time.

The NOS 6263 with Mk3 pushers just sold for 80k all in.

[Michael M.]

$80k is a strong result. Most likely would have been in the $95k-$100k range if accompanied by original boxes and paperwork.

[thomaspp]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

$80k is a strong result. Most likely would have been in the $95k-$100k range if accompanied by original boxes and paperwork.

Yes, I suppose. The 6239 newman did very well, but at least one of the 6241s did not; condition is key and without seeing these damn watches impossible to have an informed discussion.

But NOS is NOS....

[Daytonaman799]

Well....the point is moot bec I LOST! I tried at the beginning but it was just too rich for my blood. 80k seemed a lot, including the buyers premium, and the odds were that i would only recoup something along the lines of 100ish for my watch. The sales results were interesting. some stuff passed or went low while other stuff went high. The 6263 was right in the middle...prob bec it didn't have box and papers. The new owner though will be super happy bec it was def the best condition 6263 i have EVER seen!

[thomaspp]

Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

Well....the point is moot bec I LOST! I tried at the beginning but it was just too rich for my blood. 80k seemed a lot, including the buyers premium, and the odds were that i would only recoup something along the lines of 100ish for my watch. The sales results were interesting. some stuff passed or went low while other stuff went high. The 6263 was right in the middle...prob bec it didn't have box and papers. The new owner though will be super happy bec it was def the best condition 6263 i have EVER seen!

I think you did fine. MK3 pushers... unsightly in my humble opinion...

Scanning the results is very interesting and yes, seems like NOS, top condition stuff or rare is bringing crazy money but other stuff is not commanding premiums. I guess nothing new there but still...

[roh123]

NOS 6265 big red sold for 125k incl premium. Tells you a bit what the missing accessories mean when it comes to NOS. The 6263 probably lost half its value with the missing bits. Ouch.. :)

[Daytonaman799]

Originally Posted by thomaspp

I think you did fine. MK3 pushers... unsightly in my humble opinion...

Scanning the results is very interesting and yes, seems like NOS, top condition stuff or rare is bringing crazy money but other stuff is not commanding premiums. I guess nothing new there but still...

I thought the auction results were really interesting. The relumed Oyster Sotto passed and a bunch of other things went at the low end or even just below the estimates. Tiffany dials did really well and the lapis platinum DD did really well but overall unless it was the creme de la creme stuff was just avg. I also thought it was interesting that PP just continues to lag...despite the Hellie Selassie....but overall they just didn't do that great.

I also found it interesting that there were many comments that the "legend" was not born with that dial. Meaning the DIAL was 3.7mm. Thats just friggin amazing. I guess i need to be happy with my COMEX and my SAS models for now. At least i know their "history"...

[AS1]

Originally Posted by thomaspp

I think you did fine. MK3 pushers... unsightly in my humble opinion...

Scanning the results is very interesting and yes, seems like NOS, top condition stuff or rare is bringing crazy money but other stuff is not commanding premiums. I guess nothing new there but still...

Thomas my friend, hope all is well, just a question for my personal curiosity.... the mk3 pusher issue is just you saying that you don't like them, rather than that they're not correct to the watch, right? I had understood for a 1986 6263 these would be the correct pushers but wanted to see if I had misunderstood something...

[thomaspp]

Originally Posted by AS1

Thomas my friend, hope all is well, just a question for my personal curiosity.... the mk3 pusher issue is just you saying that you don't like them, rather than that they're not correct to the watch, right? I had understood for a 1986 6263 these would be the correct pushers but wanted to see if I had misunderstood something...

All well thank you! Yes, just personal taste. Maybe its me, but I find a lot of collectors out there that prefer the older pushers. Just have a cleaner look, but evidently this is nitpicking and if I had the option of buying a reasonably priced late 6263 with mk3 pushers of course I jump on it! Best regards.

[thomaspp]

Originally Posted by Daytonaman799

I thought the auction results were really interesting. The relumed Oyster Sotto passed and a bunch of other things went at the low end or even just below the estimates. Tiffany dials did really well and the lapis platinum DD did really well but overall unless it was the creme de la creme stuff was just avg. I also thought it was interesting that PP just continues to lag...despite the Hellie Selassie....but overall they just didn't do that great.

I also found it interesting that there were many comments that the "legend" was not born with that dial. Meaning the DIAL was 3.7mm. Thats just friggin amazing. I guess i need to be happy with my COMEX and my SAS models for now. At least i know their "history"...

yes, enjoy what you have including the 5970!

[AS1]

Originally Posted by thomaspp

All well thank you! Yes, just personal taste. Maybe its me, but I find a lot of collectors out there that prefer the older pushers. Just have a cleaner look, but evidently this is nitpicking and if I had the option of buying a reasonably priced late 6263 with mk3 pushers of course I jump on it! Best regards.

cool... yes agree on aesthetics, i have the mk2 on mine and love that simple look!