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Old 21 March 2017, 06:14 AM   #121
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Micheal Y.....bad call on this one. This statement is just plain wrong.



As far as the dealer not tightening cases to spec = ANOTHER reason why I would want my new Rolex to be delivered to me in the SEALED plastic coffin. These dealers do some stupid things without disclosing it. Shame on that dealer.
MY's statement is exactly what Rolex Germany Service Center Boss told me after we've send him a flooded watch
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Old 21 March 2017, 06:24 AM   #122
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My AD just told me the Rolex Basel teaser under the white plastic wrap is the all new, long awaited, Rolex Steam Dweller. It allows the user to shower, enter hot springs or steam clean their watch worry free. Includes large cyclops to ensure inter-sauna readability and the quintuple-lock crown (cause trip-lock was only rated to 1000ft and sometimes just wasn't enough) They swore me to secrecy.
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Old 21 March 2017, 06:29 AM   #123
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It's not normal to entry water in watch!
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Old 21 March 2017, 06:30 AM   #124
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My AD just told me the Rolex Basel teaser under the white plastic wrap is the all new, long awaited, Rolex Steam Dweller. It allows the user to shower, enter hot springs or steam clean their watch worry free. Includes large cyclops to ensure inter-sauna readability and the quintuple-lock crown (cause trip-lock was only rated to 1000ft and sometimes just wasn't enough) They swore me to secrecy.



Almost spat my water out.


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Old 21 March 2017, 06:54 AM   #125
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Had a similar issue with my navitimer and they suggested it was exposure to steam, I had it repaired sold it and went Rolex ever since
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Old 21 March 2017, 07:35 AM   #126
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Old 21 March 2017, 07:59 AM   #127
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Had a similar issue with my navitimer and they suggested it was exposure to steam, I had it repaired sold it and went Rolex ever since
Navitimers are NOT waterproof, nor are they marketed as such. You really should have known better in this instance.
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Old 21 March 2017, 08:30 AM   #128
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My AD just told me the Rolex Basel teaser under the white plastic wrap is the all new, long awaited, Rolex Steam Dweller. It allows the user to shower, enter hot springs or steam clean their watch worry free. Includes large cyclops to ensure inter-sauna readability and the quintuple-lock crown (cause trip-lock was only rated to 1000ft and sometimes just wasn't enough) They swore me to secrecy.
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Old 9 April 2017, 04:04 PM   #129
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No.

Setting the time does not "open up" a hole or doorway into the watch; the seals are o-rings inside the case, around the stem. Nothing gets in, or out, simply by unscrewing the crown.
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Old 9 April 2017, 08:00 PM   #130
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This is exactly right, there is no steam in the shower ! What we refer to as 'steam' is just made up of condensed water droplets.
Sadly though, some people will believe all sorts of rubbish...
So for the record, following the watch nerd discussion, are we now 99% sure it's ok to take our subs in the shower, or is there still an element of doubt?
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Old 9 April 2017, 11:16 PM   #131
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I guess the jury is still out.
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Old 10 April 2017, 12:49 AM   #132
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Well you aren't supposed to wear your watch in the shower because steam can damage the seals overtime. However, I would not expect there to be an issue after a single shower.

New watch imo and get it serviced by rolex if it's 5 years old and your really worried. This is where ponying up for a new watch can make sense. You have no idea what happened to that watch in the last 5 years.
I got a sub from a Rolex AD in the uk and the actually recommended showering in it to clean it! God damit I'm confused now. Aren't subs suppose to be bomb proof let alone shower proof!
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Old 16 April 2017, 02:04 PM   #133
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I've not heard one person in this thread mention a simple condensation test. Any decent watchmaking shop will have a Roxer Revelater.

Personally, I always do a pressure test AND a condensation test. Sometimes a watch will pass one, but not the other.
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Old 16 April 2017, 02:28 PM   #134
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According to my calculations inside a submariner with 12 cm^3 of space filled with 100% saturated humid air will have 0.0002mg of water. That is 1/250 of a drop of water. Water expands 1600 times in volume when it becomes steam. Looking at the picture it is hard to tell how much water is on that crystal. I am not totally convinced that the last watchmaker opening the case back in 100% humidity air would introduce that much moisture into the volume of the watch case.


Besides the case is occupied by the movement. That leaves probably about 50% void space inside the case which would make my numbers by that much less.

Yes, but there might be that which would adhere to the material of the watch on the inside while opened, not just what's in the air, I would think. Would that surface area and tension increase the water content? I'm not versed enough to know, but do wonder.
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Old 16 April 2017, 03:06 PM   #135
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Shower + Steam = Water Inside Submariner?

All this mumbo jumbo is BS! You were sold a defective watch with unknown history!

I take my sub everywhere, from steam room, hot showers, sauna to cold showers... I live in canada and it gets -25C in winter time and I do sauna and cold air 10min each and I've never had an issue. Showering and jacuzzi and all that, and still nothing not a sign of anything.

Feel like this thread is trying to create a science project out of nothing or creating a storm in a tea cup when the answer is simple - you got unlucky with a short deal.

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Old 17 April 2017, 12:01 PM   #136
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Old 17 April 2017, 02:29 PM   #137
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you're never supposed to get a sub wet or steamy! seriously though...sorry to see this. i would go back in there and give them positive hell.
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Old 17 April 2017, 04:57 PM   #138
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I watched this recently...fast forward to around 18:00. Essentially, any water proof watch can be made to fog up under the right conditions...and its ok.

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Old 17 April 2017, 05:36 PM   #139
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Old 17 April 2017, 07:21 PM   #140
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Old 17 April 2017, 09:33 PM   #141
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It seems that there are many many troubles with second hand Rolexes. Possibly many of them are dropped without visible damage, but damages to structure seem evident. I would really need to know quite exact user history from trusted person before choosing second hand watch.
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So then they go get their watchmaker to open up shop (Sunday, closed), and pressure test the watch. It passes. Perfectly, zero drop passes. They test the potential replacement Smurf. Passes as well. And this is the fancy pressure test thing with all the bells and whistles.
It sounds like the watch was closed up in a humid environment; the cold is causing that humidity to condense. Unless the watch is being opened in a dry environment the moisture inside will always be the same as the humid air it contained at the time.
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Old 26 May 2017, 03:57 PM   #143
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Ok just two things. First of all, the Rolex Service Centre prices here start from only around HK$2,000 (about the cheapest in the world) so go there instead, and get the Rolex paperwork and all that. Second, Michael Young had two goes at replacing the caseback on my Air King when he serviced it and the gasket popped out both times. I went to another place to get it fitted correctly.
Glad I'm not the only one who's had bad experiences with Michael Young's workshop, Classic Watch Repair in HK. They don't properly QC their work and took several attempts to get things right - every time (i.e. the customer had to do the QC!).I've even had to source my own parts to expedite repairs that took months (and would have dragged on longer if I didn't) and was given so much BS along the way. Worst of all, they lied about me having tampered with my watch while it was back in my possession, just to avoid repairing serious scratches on the movement that they made. They even accused me of having too high an expectation on case refinishing - a high polished flat surface is either smooth or not, right?

MY may know how to put a Rolex bracelet together and may have an impressive looking setup and lots of impressive stories to tell but I have serious reservations about their work on movements and even something as simple as case refinishing. Do not be fooled by their glossy advertising and social media presence.
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Old 28 May 2017, 04:48 PM   #144
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Having taken a piece into an RSC, where they stated that they "steam cleaned it" (I did not ask for this to be done), I have to question the validity of the basis for steam damage when the RSC could have: simply wiped it down, used solvent and water, or done nothing.
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Old 28 May 2017, 05:00 PM   #145
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Sounds like they opened the watch in a humid environment, exposed the internals to the humidity, then sealed that moisture inside the case when they closed up the watch. There's nothing wrong with the seals, there's just excess moisture inside the watch.

If they are saying this happens a lot to watches they have sold, it could be that they have poor environmental controls in their watchmaker's shop and are regularly trapping moist air inside the watches.
this seems to me the only logical explanation
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Old 28 May 2017, 05:34 PM   #146
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Now condensation will quite normally occur when any warm/hot watch is suddenly exposed to a cold environment i.e. if you enter cold air/water then shortly after warm/hot water or visa versa. In normal circumstances this will appear as a very fine mist and should disappear in seconds, minutes, or a hour or so when the watch warms up. This is quite normal as the air trapped inside your watch after say a service will have a small amount of water vapour as its just like normal humidity in the atmosphere, if it disappears quickly all is well.
This happened to me once...freaked me out.
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