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[Bisquitlips]

Sorry guys, but I thought I had already posted this question.

If so, I can't find it. If I have, please excuse the double post.

What about this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-GMT-Master...d=p3911.c0.m14

[Terry Newton]

The seller has been an E-Bay seller since January 2003 and has a 99.1% positive feedback rating. He is also a Powerseller that offers $2,000 in buyer protection through PayPal. The watch is genuine though, my concern is that some of the pictures are of a different watch. Not to say that this is a fake or a scam, just that some of the pictures are different. Some have the 18K Yellow Gold in the band and some have rose gold. I would just ask him about the disparity and see what he says.

I would have to say the watch is probably good.

Terry Newton

[springer]

Hi Terry, I think that rose-gold-look is from the photo and not a rose-colored band, although it does have a tint of rose gold look in a couple of the pics. Besides a little excessive polishing on the band clasp, it doesn't look too bad.

[Duc-904]

Also take note that the boxes are the new style and not correct for that vintage. This always bugs me.

[Orchi]

Err buddies...Orchi concurs with buddy Springer...the case/bracelet/buckle show signs of it being re-polished...but not too excessively done..

However...Orchi is inclines to dislike the Seller's Title description of the listing that says...

"Rolex GMT Master 14k & Black - FANTASTIC w Box & Papers"

By saying "w Box & Papers"...Orchi for one would take it initially that it has the
original guarantee cert or at the least an original RSC service certificate...which does NOT come with this watch...apparently.

As seen in the pictures...the watch comes with a New Style recent Box & accessories/booklets...that would normally NOT associate with the Vintage Ref 16753 GMT Master...originally.

That should be made known to potential bidders...if Orchi may say so...

Furthermore...the End Links setup for the bracelet(78363/493) is NOT correct...for Ref 16753...

The bracelet should have...the vintage "480" End Links...exclusively.

"493" End Links look to be New Style for Rolex watch cases that do NOT have lug holes...

[springer]

Originally Posted by Orchi

Err buddies...Orchi concurs with buddy Springer...the case/bracelet/buckle show signs of it being re-polished...but not too excessively done..

However...Orchi is inclines to dislike the Seller's Title description of the listing that says...

"Rolex GMT Master 14k & Black - FANTASTIC w Box & Papers"

By saying "w Box & Papers"...Orchi for one would take it initially that it has the
original guarantee cert or at the least an original RSC service certificate...which does NOT come with this watch...apparently.

As seen in the pictures...the watch comes with a New Style recent Box & accessories/booklets...that would normally NOT associate with the Vintage Ref 16753 GMT Master...originally.

That should be made known to potential bidders...if Orchi may say so...

Furthermore...the End Links setup for the bracelet(78363/493) is NOT correct...for Ref 16753...

The bracelet should have...the vintage "480" End Links...exclusively.

"493" End Links look to be New Style for Rolex watch cases that do NOT have lug holes...

Good catch Orchi . I didn't notice those items - the rose gold coloring had my attention peaked. I'd never seen a rose-gold colored GMT before, or even heard of one from this era. As far as the box/accesories go, there seems to be quite a lot of this on ebay lately, wrong box/paper/accesories for the era watch they are being sold with.

[springer]

Originally Posted by springer

Good catch Orchi . I didn't notice those items - the rose gold coloring had my attention peaked. I'd never seen a rose-gold colored GMT before, or even heard of one from this era. As far as the box/accesories go, there seems to be quite a lot of this on ebay lately, wrong box/paper/accesories for the era watch they are being sold with.

Orchi, I enailed the seller on this 1986 vintage GMT and he said he purchased it from an authorized Rolex dealer and it came in the depicted box with papers from the dealer. I asked which dealer he purchased it from and asked him if he could post photos of the papers.

His last response to me was that the watch was purchased at Becker Jewelery, in Keller, Texas. Becker Jewelery is not an authorized Rolex dealer and, quite often, auction their watches with box and warranty. The only problem is it is their papers/warranty and a genuine Rolex box, whether it is correct or not for the watch being auctioned. Also, I don't believe Becker Jewelery even has a storefront. Since Keller, Texas, is 20 minutes from me, I've contacted them in the past to look at an auction item but they were unable to comply with my request.

Anyhow, something is not correct with this listing - where are the Rolex papers, and the box is from a watch 20 years newer.

The seller states in the listing: "This is the real deal people. Comes with the boxes and booklets that are shown in the pictures."

A rather ambiguous listing, no papers as listed, and a Rolex box that is 20 years newer than the watch. It is clear that the watch has the newer box-set to inflate its value and hype the watch. This guy selling the watch has good feedback, so I don't quite understand the listing, unless he thought it to be something else when he purchased or received the watch.

Somebody bought the hype - as it sold.

[tudorman8276]

...also look at the side views of the BEZEL. It APPEARS to be S/S, not Gld.

...what say you all??????

Stan.

[springer]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...also look at the side views of the BEZEL. It APPEARS to be S/S, not Gld.

...what say you all??????

Stan.

Stan, I think you are correct. The bezel in the first pic does look like it's stainless. Should be gold. In the other pics, the bezel seems stainless but the flash could be reflecting the gold color from the band on to the bezel. The first pic definately looks to be a stainless steel bezel.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Duc-904

Also take note that the boxes are the new style and not correct for that vintage. This always bugs me.

Duc, you are not alone in your assessment. These boxes are used to inflate the value of the watch to those that don't know the difference and are only out there shopping for a Rolex at the best price they can find. Most will realize later, that the box was incorrect for the watch and there is little they can do about it then. It adds no value to the watch when the box is totally incorrect for the product.

It definately "bugs" others as well.

[springer]

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...also look at the side views of the BEZEL. It APPEARS to be S/S, not Gld.

...what say you all??????

Stan.

Stan, the bezel does apear to be stainless steel in the first pic. It should be gold.

[stevemulholland3]

holy crap-now that really bites!!
some guy just spent his hard earned cash on a watch and the damn bezel isnt even gold!!
this auction should have been stopped-wish we would have seen that.
its alive...ALIVE!!!

[Orchi]

Err buddies...the more one looks deep into this listing...the more
questionable it becomes...

The listing must be reported...n the successful bidder
must be warned...

There are 2 different sets of pictures...which would NOT be right...
On set of pics show the black satin background(appearance of YG bracelet)...
while another set of pics show a bright background(appearance of RG bracelet)
...

[Bisquitlips]

As stated above, this watch was purchased by the current owner from Becker.

Becker, in my opinion, is a long time Rolex Ebay dealer which has somewhat of a history of Frankenwatches. He apparently provides a brand new Rolex box set with most of his watches and I also do not find his descriptions as detailed and forthright as they should be and there have been other instances where I have seen questionable photo sets on his auctions.

If this was the source of this watch, that would explain a lot to me.

I am not saying that Becker is questionable as a dealer, but that his auctions should contain much more and accurate information on what he is selling. Most of his descriptions are of a cookie cutter fill in the blank type.

[stevemulholland3]

if he is selling frankkenwatches then I would question him as a dealer.........