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scott11 · 28 February 2018, 03:29 AM

Looking at a preowned GMT II 16710 and not sure if its all original. Its a U serial, so 1997/1998 as I understand. But the dial is "Swiss Made" which I think was only 2000+.

Is this a replacement dial? What sort of impact on value for this?

Tools · 28 February 2018, 04:20 AM

"Swiss Made" seems unlikely for an original dial although "Swiss" is a possibility.

I don't see why a new dial would be put into such a recent watch so I would expect to find a complete rebuild along with the dial.

77T · 28 February 2018, 04:33 AM

That time period was one of change to LumiNova. So the s/n alone won’t particularly help.

While odd, only Rolex would know - when in doubt, my tendency is to pass if originality is paramount.

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scott11 · 28 February 2018, 04:37 AM

I agree, it seems odd to me. Its watch only, and I am looking to buy to wear, and will likely not sell, but at the same time I don't want to over pay. I trust the seller as far as authenticity, but they are a re seller and don't have the history on the watch.

Does a rebuild impact desirability/value of a "modern" era model? Everything externally looks to be in great shape. As long as the internals are Rolex, dont know that I'm too concerned.

Is there a way to inquire to Rolex pre-purchase regarding service?

77T · 28 February 2018, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scott11

Is there a way to inquire to Rolex pre-purchase regarding service?

Not in a practical way - but it could be done with a lot of coordination with the seller. This would mean he takes it to the RSC for a service quote. Then if the dial is incorrect, the quote will include “required replacement - dial”.

This is a case of trusting the seller. But I’d move onward if you don’t feel comfortable with a potentially suspect dial replacement having been done in the past.

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scott11 · 28 February 2018, 09:32 AM

Not sure if I am concerned that it is "incorrect" if its a service dial due to damage or other issue. Would it be "incorrect" if it was the wrong dial for the date of the watch? If Rolex regularly replaces dials with a "swiss made" service dial if needed, I am ok with that.

Dirt · 28 February 2018, 09:40 AM

Perhaps it has been replaced at service with a genuine service replacement due to the original dial having lost its luminosity or being a little dim.
In that case it doesn't matter really as it has a full upgrade.

28 February 2018, 03:29 AM	#1
scott11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 6	Swiss Made- new dial? Looking at a preowned GMT II 16710 and not sure if its all original. Its a U serial, so 1997/1998 as I understand. But the dial is "Swiss Made" which I think was only 2000+. Is this a replacement dial? What sort of impact on value for this?

28 February 2018, 04:20 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2025 Titanium Yacht-Master Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,662	"Swiss Made" seems unlikely for an original dial although "Swiss" is a possibility. I don't see why a new dial would be put into such a recent watch so I would expect to find a complete rebuild along with the dial. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

28 February 2018, 04:33 AM	#3
77T 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,509	That time period was one of change to LumiNova. So the s/n alone won’t particularly help. While odd, only Rolex would know - when in doubt, my tendency is to pass if originality is paramount. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

28 February 2018, 04:37 AM	#4
scott11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 6	I agree, it seems odd to me. Its watch only, and I am looking to buy to wear, and will likely not sell, but at the same time I don't want to over pay. I trust the seller as far as authenticity, but they are a re seller and don't have the history on the watch. Does a rebuild impact desirability/value of a "modern" era model? Everything externally looks to be in great shape. As long as the internals are Rolex, dont know that I'm too concerned. Is there a way to inquire to Rolex pre-purchase regarding service?

28 February 2018, 09:32 AM	#6
scott11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 6	Not sure if I am concerned that it is "incorrect" if its a service dial due to damage or other issue. Would it be "incorrect" if it was the wrong dial for the date of the watch? If Rolex regularly replaces dials with a "swiss made" service dial if needed, I am ok with that.

28 February 2018, 09:40 AM	#7
Dirt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Brisbane Watch: DSSD Posts: 8,115	Perhaps it has been replaced at service with a genuine service replacement due to the original dial having lost its luminosity or being a little dim. In that case it doesn't matter really as it has a full upgrade.

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