Was 93150 bracelet with 501B endlinks ever original to 1680?

[etp]

I have been looking at a 1680, and the dealer said the bracelet is original to the piece. The problem is that the bracelet is a 93150 with 501B endlinks. From everything I've found online, that was not original to the 1680.

Has anyone ever heard this before? You definitely can find 1680s with 93150 bracelets - but I haven't found any others with 501B endlinks.

What do you think?

[roh123]

501 ends are for sapphire sport models. It is really not a big deal but they are later. Correct would be 580.

Base your decision on the watch condition. Not the endlinks.

[etp]

Originally Posted by roh123

501 ends are for sapphire sport models. It is really not a big deal but they are later. Correct would be 580.

Base your decision on the watch condition. Not the endlinks.

Thanks for the clarification

Any ideas on how that would impact the price? This example is priced towards the high end so that seems like a flaw that would impact the price.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by etp

Thanks for the clarification

Any ideas on how that would impact the price? This example is priced towards the high end so that seems like a flaw that would impact the price.

Not a lot. 501B ends mighy be worth 150usd. 580’s just slightly more in the second hand market.

With changed ends you might want to check clasp code etc on the watch. Normally bracelets are a year or so later than the serial.

Still; base your decision on the quality of the watch.

[southtexas]

They don’t fit well on 1680. I had them on my 93150, then went to my local AD and they ordered me a set of 580.

Edit: to be clear, the 93150 is absolutely not correct for the red sub. 9315.

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[stmoore]

Originally Posted by southtexas

They don’t fit well on 1680. I had them on my 93150, then went to my local AD and they ordered me a set of 580.

Edit: to be clear, the 93150 is absolutely not correct for the red sub. 9315.

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Not completely true: 93150 was issued around 1975; so it could have been purchased with said bracelet.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by stmoore

Not completely true: 93150 was issued around 1975; so it could have been purchased with said bracelet.

He’s been looking at early 1680s (reds). I think it’s fairly well established that red subs came with 9315s, and 501s aren’t for 1680.


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[stmoore]

Originally Posted by southtexas

He’s been looking at early 1680s (reds). I think it’s fairly well established that red subs came with 9315s, and 501s aren’t for 1680.


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Except it’s not and he doesn’t say “red” sub, plus is still correct for the watch. It wasn’t uncommon for dealers to add a bracelet that is stamped after the manufacture date of the watch.

[etp]

Originally Posted by stmoore

Except it’s not and he doesn’t say “red” sub, plus is still correct for the watch. It wasn’t uncommon for dealers to add a bracelet that is stamped after the manufacture date of the watch.

Red Sub 1973 - some did come with 93150 however 501B endings are not correct

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by etp

Red Sub 1973 - some did come with 93150 however 501B endings are not correct

I don't believe any came with the 91350 in 1973. 1975+, right??

[etp]

Originally Posted by douglasf13

I don't believe any came with the 91350 in 1973. 1975+, right??

You could definitely be right. I've found a few places that show 1680s could come with the 91350.

If someone knows of a better resource that shows the breakdown by year, that would be amazing.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by stmoore

Except it’s not and he doesn’t say “red” sub, plus is still correct for the watch. It wasn’t uncommon for dealers to add a bracelet that is stamped after the manufacture date of the watch.

Ok


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[southtexas]

Originally Posted by etp

You could definitely be right. I've found a few places that show 1680s could come with the 91350.



If someone knows of a better resource that shows the breakdown by year, that would be amazing.

You have to bear in mind that 1680s were made for a number of years, during which time Rolex introduced a new oyster bracelet.
Also remember that 501 is not made for 1680.

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[springer]

Originally Posted by stmoore

Not completely true: 93150 was issued around 1975; so it could have been purchased with said bracelet.

I always believed 1976 was the release or earliest time for 93150s. Even then they weren't found very often as the 9315s were still in use.

I would not consider a 93150 correct for a red Sub with a 3 million serial number.

[springer]

Originally Posted by etp

Red Sub 1973 - some did come with 93150 however 501B endings are not correct

No they did not.

[springer]

Originally Posted by southtexas

Ok


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The OP has another thread discussing his red Sub so we are all assuming it is the same watch. But since the OP hasn't disclosed any of this, we are assuming it is his red Sub from the other thread.

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by springer

I always believed 1976 was the release or earliest time for 93150s. Even then they weren't found very often as the 9315s were still in use.

I would not consider a 93150 correct for a red Sub with a 3 million serial number.

I 100% agree with John on this.

[etp]

Originally Posted by springer

The OP has another thread discussing his red Sub so we are all assuming it is the same watch. But since the OP hasn't disclosed any of this, we are assuming it is his red Sub from the other thread.

Correct - this question stemmed from this thread.

Since it was more of a factual question, pulled it to another thread...

[stmoore]

Originally Posted by springer

I always believed 1976 was the release or earliest time for 93150s. Even then they weren't found very often as the 9315s were still in use.

I would not consider a 93150 correct for a red Sub with a 3 million serial number.

3 million Red sub then absolutely 9315 (I didn't see the other thread).

As others have said, the 501b endlinks can go in the trash. Likely the result of a lazy watchmaker.

A general 1680, which was made from ~ 1966–1981, then at the end of the run you'd have a 93150, right?

I used to go nuts on bracelets; making sure they were "period correct" however I've started wearing some of my vintage on updated bracelets (like my Daytona). It's funny how our collecting tastes change.

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by stmoore

3 million Red sub then absolutely 9315 (I didn't see the other thread).

As others have said, the 501b endlinks can go in the trash. Likely the result of a lazy watchmaker.

A general 1680, which was made from ~ 1966–1981, then at the end of the run you'd have a 93150, right?

I used to go nuts on bracelets; making sure they were "period correct" however I've started wearing some of my vintage on updated bracelets (like my Daytona). It's funny how our collecting tastes change.

I’ve gone the other way and sourced an NOS 7836 for a newer watch, so go figure.

[springer]

Originally Posted by stmoore

3 million Red sub then absolutely 9315 (I didn't see the other thread).

As others have said, the 501b endlinks can go in the trash. Likely the result of a lazy watchmaker.

A general 1680, which was made from ~ 1966–1981, then at the end of the run you'd have a 93150, right?

I used to go nuts on bracelets; making sure they were "period correct" however I've started wearing some of my vintage on updated bracelets (like my Daytona). It's funny how our collecting tastes change.

Submariner 1680s did come with 93150s by the later part of the 1970s. The bracelet codes were A, B, C, D or VA, VB, VC, VD.

[southtexas]

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[esspee1200]

93150 is a sturdier alternative to the original 9315. If you have a 9315 that is original to the watch, i'd store it away and buy a 93150. 501b ends will work, but i believe 580 will be better to the case.