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Rhodan · 8 November 2008, 03:32 PM

Can anyone comment on this bracelet? Date code is from 1964. Is it just me or does it seem like a link is missing on the side where the Rolex crown is?

Thanks

sbakar · 8 November 2008, 05:40 PM

From the crispness of the Rolex stamping and the coronet on the clasp, it APPEARS fake...of course, more knowledgeable people than I will chime in soon!

SNB

SLS · 8 November 2008, 06:11 PM

Appears to be ok, the bad thing about the riveted bracelets is, is that you can not add links back in. So if it's too small do not buy it. In the above example, the links taper down as they get closer to the clasp, it's just more noticeable when one of the tapered links is removed.
Scott

stevemulholland3 · 8 November 2008, 08:36 PM

from now on questions like this one should go in' the watchout section....

springer · 9 November 2008, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLS

Appears to be ok, the bad thing about the riveted bracelets is, is that you can not add links back in. So if it's too small do not buy it. In the above example, the links taper down as they get closer to the clasp, it's just more noticeable when one of the tapered links is removed.
Scott

It appears genuine as fellow forum member SLS noted in his observations quoted here. Couldn't have said it better except that riveted links can be added to the clasp on the riveted bands. I've seen it done before and they look fine when done by competent watchmakers.

SLS · 9 November 2008, 01:49 AM

Interesting info, I was told that once a riveted link is removed that it's not useable again. Good to know.
Scott

Rhodan · 9 November 2008, 02:16 AM

Thank you all for your response. What I'm worried about is what seems like a missing link. If you compare the links on both side of the clasp it seems like one side is missing a link, the change of size in the links does not match the other side.

Orchi · 9 November 2008, 02:28 AM

Err buddies...Orchi begs to differ here...

Although Orchi likes the clasps/buckle...Orchi thinks the riveted links have been
incorrectly arranged...

The shorter ends of the folded links are supposed to be the closest n facing towards BOTH the EndLinks(unmarked - not so preferable)...which in this case does not seem to be so...

It would appear the opposite where the shorter ends of the folded links are facing towards the clasp/buckle instead...which is wrong.

stevemulholland3 · 9 November 2008, 04:36 AM

it is definitely missing two links..

springer · 9 November 2008, 10:08 AM

Maybe the puzzle was put together incorrectly, it is missing links etc, but nothing indicates it is a fake band. It wouldn't take much to make that band correct again, especially if the price is right. Maybe Tudorman can "chime in" here and say what it would cost to make this band correct again.

Rhodan · 9 November 2008, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

Maybe the puzzle was put together incorrectly, it is missing links etc, but nothing indicates it is a fake band. It wouldn't take much to make that band correct again, especially if the price is right. Maybe Tudorman can "chime in" here and say what it would cost to make this band correct again.

Cost me $300 to get the bracelet... Not sure if it's a good deal or not... It came off a Zephir.

tudorman8276 · 9 November 2008, 12:08 PM

...here is the catcher...

...the endpieces AND links are from the Rolex USA bands and the buckle/folding clasp is a Swiss made, such as found on the 7205. If you would ask the seller, I will BET that the links have the HOLLOW rivits (Rolex USA) as opposed to the Swiss made solids.

...as Springer has indicated, links CAN be added OR removed, as needed. BUT, it is not a straight forward operation, as you can end up distorting them. I RECENTLY did a link addition for another TRF mbr, Pav.

Stan.

Rhodan · 9 November 2008, 12:11 PM

Thanks Tudorman. So it's a frankenbracelet then...

It is worth getting it then?

Tomrose11 · 9 November 2008, 12:51 PM

The band is most certainly authentic, correct markings, condition is great for the age. Very rare to see a fake from this era, even so markings would surely be off. Missing one link on the photos left side, this is cleary evident from the drop in link level from the left side going towards the clasp. Do not think it is midding anymore than one link, links can be added for this model. $300 is decent, but not a steal!

Kenny147 · 9 November 2008, 03:10 PM

Not that I would want to disagree with anyone more knowledgeable than myself but all of the rivet bracelets I've seen photos of have had the date stamp towards the outer edge, not next to the hinge.

8 November 2008, 03:32 PM	#1
Rhodan Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 41	Vintage bracelet. Authentic? Can anyone comment on this bracelet? Date code is from 1964. Is it just me or does it seem like a link is missing on the side where the Rolex crown is? Thanks

8 November 2008, 06:11 PM	#3
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	Appears to be ok, the bad thing about the riveted bracelets is, is that you can not add links back in. So if it's too small do not buy it. In the above example, the links taper down as they get closer to the clasp, it's just more noticeable when one of the tapered links is removed. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

9 November 2008, 01:49 AM	#6
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	Interesting info, I was told that once a riveted link is removed that it's not useable again. Good to know. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

9 November 2008, 10:08 AM	#10
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,308	Maybe the puzzle was put together incorrectly, it is missing links etc, but nothing indicates it is a fake band. It wouldn't take much to make that band correct again, especially if the price is right. Maybe Tudorman can "chime in" here and say what it would cost to make this band correct again. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

9 November 2008, 12:08 PM	#12
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...100% Genuine...HOWEVER... ...here is the catcher... ...the endpieces AND links are from the Rolex USA bands and the buckle/folding clasp is a Swiss made, such as found on the 7205. If you would ask the seller, I will BET that the links have the HOLLOW rivits (Rolex USA) as opposed to the Swiss made solids. ...as Springer has indicated, links CAN be added OR removed, as needed. BUT, it is not a straight forward operation, as you can end up distorting them. I RECENTLY did a link addition for another TRF mbr, Pav. Stan.

8 November 2008, 05:40 PM	#2
sbakar "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North Vancouver Posts: 650	From the crispness of the Rolex stamping and the coronet on the clasp, it APPEARS fake...of course, more knowledgeable people than I will chime in soon! SNB

8 November 2008, 08:36 PM	#4
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	from now on questions like this one should go in' the watchout section....

9 November 2008, 02:16 AM	#7
Rhodan Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 41	Thank you all for your response. What I'm worried about is what seems like a missing link. If you compare the links on both side of the clasp it seems like one side is missing a link, the change of size in the links does not match the other side.

9 November 2008, 02:28 AM	#8
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err buddies...Orchi begs to differ here... Although Orchi likes the clasps/buckle...Orchi thinks the riveted links have been incorrectly arranged... The shorter ends of the folded links are supposed to be the closest n facing towards BOTH the EndLinks(unmarked - not so preferable)...which in this case does not seem to be so... It would appear the opposite where the shorter ends of the folded links are facing towards the clasp/buckle instead...which is wrong.

9 November 2008, 04:36 AM	#9
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	it is definitely missing two links..

9 November 2008, 12:11 PM	#13
Rhodan Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 41	Thanks Tudorman. So it's a frankenbracelet then... It is worth getting it then?

9 November 2008, 12:51 PM	#14
Tomrose11 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Thomas Location: Denver, CO Watch: Submariner Posts: 39	The band is most certainly authentic, correct markings, condition is great for the age. Very rare to see a fake from this era, even so markings would surely be off. Missing one link on the photos left side, this is cleary evident from the drop in link level from the left side going towards the clasp. Do not think it is midding anymore than one link, links can be added for this model. $300 is decent, but not a steal!

9 November 2008, 03:10 PM	#15
Kenny147 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Stuart Location: US Watch: Not sure today! Posts: 67	Not that I would want to disagree with anyone more knowledgeable than myself but all of the rivet bracelets I've seen photos of have had the date stamp towards the outer edge, not next to the hinge.

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