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Paul_I · 28 March 2018, 12:29 PM

I believe the calatrava dress watch line is nicer than any other watch brands.

lapince · 28 March 2018, 01:53 PM

Getting our money?

HAL330 · 28 March 2018, 02:05 PM

everyone so cynical ... why did you even spend your money on them if you don't think that highly of them? Sell it to someone who will...

Watch Admirer · 28 March 2018, 03:37 PM

The best at making a genta designed watch

Valhala · 29 March 2018, 07:39 AM

X2 heritage

tom2517 · 30 March 2018, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

this.....

plus i do think their finishing is the best. I used to think it was AP because AP's finishing is so noticeable. It took me a long time to realize Patek's finishing is pretty much perfect and subtle and its as plain as day if your looking,but sometimes you don't even notice. I think that is sort of the point.

Patek's finishing is not best at all.

http://www.watchprosite.com/patek-ph...376.9598366/0/

I have 240 movement myself and they look like these pictures under loupe, bad beveling and some burr around the countersinks.

If you think Patek has best finishing you must have not seen watches like Credor Eichi II, GF, Dufour, and some others.

However, as a brand they can't be beat, they know how to sell watches, and that's what they are best at.

Patek's finishing looks fine under the eye, but under the loupe it's another story.

tyler1980 · 30 March 2018, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tom2517

Patek's finishing is not best at all.

http://www.watchprosite.com/patek-ph...376.9598366/0/

I have 240 movement myself and they look like these pictures under loupe, bad beveling and some burr around the countersinks.

If you think Patek has best finishing you must have not seen watches like Credor Eichi II, GF, Dufour, and some others.

Patek's finishing looks fine under the eye, but under the loupe it's another story.

im talking cases. I put a few above Patek on the movement side.

I honestly could care less what any movement look like under a loupe. Ive maybe looked once. Im more interested in what the watch looks like to my eye and on my wrist.

tom2517 · 30 March 2018, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

im talking cases. I put a few above Patek on the movement side.

Oh ok.

tom2517 · 30 March 2018, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PJ S

I suspect Audemars, Bvlgari, Credor, and Chopard would all take exception at that.
Oddly though, as much as Titanium is recognised as having the best sonic properties, only Bvlgari and AP use it – AP’s Supersonnerie Concept model, and a 2011 8-pieces LE Millenary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Sm7H2bpPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vehKYsjOEI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Lw...utu.be&t=1m21s

I agree with you, Patek used to be the best at minute repeaters but I think other brands have caught up.

AK797 · 30 March 2018, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tom2517

I agree with you, Patek used to be the best at minute repeaters but I think other brands have caught up.

We mean brands, not tiny indies.

tyler1980 · 30 March 2018, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

We mean brands, not tiny indies.

its PJ jr.

the king of obscure independents

Valhala · 30 March 2018, 04:10 AM

Marketing

francoamerican · 30 March 2018, 06:03 AM

1. Current maker of fine watches (currently pretty average or slightly below among other big high end brands in terms of innovation / finishing / cost ratio) with highest likelihood among any brand to be around and committed to servicing your watches for the next 100 years.

2. Perhaps the finest output of mechanical wristwatches from the 1930s until 1960s (the golden time between pocket and quartz)

a. this allows for modern interpretations that have a superficially closer relationship to those golden era pieces. (That said if another manufacturer borrowed those designs and executed them in a better way i'd be very interested in those too)

3. Actually having a steel sports watch as a fine watchmaker puts them in rare company. They have had relatively good restraint with the nautilus/aquanaut relative to other fine brands.

PJ S · 30 March 2018, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

We mean brands, not tiny indies.

Chopard may be an independent, but they’re not tiny.
Bvlgari is not independent, given that they’re owned by LVMH.
Credor is similarly not independent, unless Seiko’s suddenly sold the brand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

its PJ jr.

the king of obscure independents

Care to clarify that statement?

tyler1980 · 30 March 2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PJ S

Care to clarify that statement?

your knowledge of small independents, niche brands, micro brands, etc. is unparalleled . Its a compliment PJ believe it or not.

PJ S · 30 March 2018, 08:07 AM

^
Okay. Forgive my defensiveness – thought there was something else behind the sentiment.

codecow · 30 March 2018, 08:35 AM

Limited edition pilot watches.

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