Rolex Tudors all fakes?

[giggle]

Originally Posted by springer

Padi, here is a pic of a vintage Tudor, very much like yours, but notice the difference in the dials.

I realize this thread is ancient, but I came into possession of a Tudor, which looks exactly like the one in your pic. Alcan, if you are still out there, can you tell me what you can about this watch, or direct me to some site or page where I can find out more about this watch?

[Old Expat Beast]

We don't usually like to dig up really old threads, but as this is a very interesting one, I think it deserves another go-around....and a move to the vintage section.

[hjones2012]

Hi,

Sorry to resurrect an old discussion. I stumbled upon this thread whilst researching a watch I am hoping to buy for my husband.

I am hoping to buy him a watch from1964, which is his birth year as a special gift. I was hoping of paying up £1500 for one. I have been sent the details from a guy who sells lots of vintage watches on his website about a Rolex Tudor dual branded 9ct gold watch, case made by David Shackman and Sons. He asking nearly £1300 but it does come with original guarantee papers. Whilst it is a beautiful watch I want to make sure it's authentic before committing and worried about buying something that isn't truly with that value. It's dual branded and from this thread it appears that is not a problem, but being a 1960s watch it may be that it has been redialed. I'd like one original as possible. The only marks inside the case are the hallmarks and the serial number 24129 which ties in with the paperwork. The movement is engraved with TUDOR 21 RUBIES.

I will try and resize the photos so I can share with you later this morning.

[R.O.L.E.X]

Originally Posted by hjones2012

Hi,

Sorry to resurrect an old discussion. I stumbled upon this thread whilst researching a watch I am hoping to buy for my husband.

I am hoping to buy him a watch from1964, which is his birth year as a special gift. I was hoping of paying up £1500 for one. I have been sent the details from a guy who sells lots of vintage watches on his website about a Rolex Tudor dual branded 9ct gold watch, case made by David Shackman and Sons. He asking nearly £1300 but it does come with original guarantee papers. Whilst it is a beautiful watch I want to make sure it's authentic before committing and worried about buying something that isn't truly with that value. It's dual branded and from this thread it appears that is not a problem, but being a 1960s watch it may be that it has been redialed. I'd like one original as possible. The only marks inside the case are the hallmarks and the serial number 24129 which ties in with the paperwork. The movement is engraved with TUDOR 21 RUBIES.

I will try and resize the photos so I can share with you later this morning.

1300gbp is far too much for any 9ct dress tudor of that period; with papers or not. Please get in touch if you want advice on this (particularly pricing/authenticity) as I stalk the vintage dress market ^^

[hjones2012]

Hi sorry for the delay. Have resized the photos sent to me so I can post.

Please let me know your thoughts on the watch. Was hoping to spend more like £1k. I like the fact it has papers as well but don't know how easy they are to fake old ones.

I really like it, looks really tidy but worried it is too much and worry about the originality. The seller says it has a new strap which is fine and as far as they know it is all original. I worry that the dial has been redone.

[offrdmania]

That is a repainted dial, it should only say Tudor. I would look for another example. The seller is asking way too much. I personally wouldnt pay anymore than half that price.
Rolex supplied parts for its Tudor watches but other than the few in its early days, later examples showing both brands are either fake or redone dials.

[hjones2012]

Thank you very much. That's a great help. That makes me feel a lot happier!! I will post one the for sale what I'm looking for if anyone can help.
Thanks so much!!

[Valhala]

Well put

[Old Expat Beast]

Hands look wrong, too. Here is my Tudor Royal from 1965, all original with box and papers, bought from family of original owner, for your reference.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=571042

[hjones2012]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Hands look wrong, too. Here is my Tudor Royal from 1965, all original with box and papers, bought from family of original owner, for your reference.

Beautiful watch. Definitely need to find something along these lines u think. Want it to be special. Thanks for posting.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by hjones2012

Beautiful watch. Definitely need to find something along these lines u think. Want it to be special. Thanks for posting.

Good luck with your search. I'm also from Glos. originally

[shawndww]

Originally Posted by Warnsboy

X2 Padi, that is a beautiful watch!

I recall getting $150 for mine. It was a ladies double label in red and blue in Canada from the 40’s

I regret selling it but my wife did not want it at the time.

[harry in montreal]

I love a good aggressive debate on authenticity of low value Tudor dials.

[king_joe]

Interesting debate, one of the many mysteries of Rolex

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[mrsentinel]

I hope everyone keeps debating. The lurkers like me can learn a thing or two...

[soundserious]

Love Tudors. Maybe Tudor should have their own forum on TRF?

[mrsentinel]

Not to gaslight everyones emotions again, but here is another "Rolex Tudor".

Thoughts?

[offrdmania]

Originally Posted by mrsentinel

Not to gaslight everyones emotions again, but here is another "Rolex Tudor".

Thoughts?

Its a Tudor ladies cocktail watch that someone painted Rolex on in hopes to gain in the secondary market. Nothing more. Anything later than the first few years after Tudors inception is a redial, usually in order to deceive.

[mrsentinel]

So does this one actually fall into that range? Sure does look a lot like some of the ones posted earlier in this thread.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by mrsentinel

So does this one actually fall into that range? Sure does look a lot like some of the ones posted earlier in this thread.

That's fine, and those were pretty common in Australia at one time (1930s-40s). The seller's description is ok. In those days 'Tudor' was a line, rather than a seperate company (est. 1946) at least on paper, though Tudor-signed dials and movements existed. Here's one I used to own.

[springer]

Here's a little history on Tudor.

https://www.tudorwatch.com/magazine/...s-1926-to-1949

[eelpie]

These were apparently made in 14K in very limited numbers in the late 50s or early 60s for those who held the title Distinguished President of Optimist International, whose logo is on the dial.

I never looked too closely before today, but I've made out the name inscribed, I Googled the name, and the gentleman whose name is on the back was, indeed, a Distinguished President of Optimist International.

Ironically, I went to high school with the nice man's daughter . . .