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BuffaloRolex · 14 January 2009, 01:04 PM

Hi Crew,

Does anyone recognize this GMT? Is it even real?

jtrader · 14 January 2009, 01:21 PM

It's either really old, or not real. Their are mulitple points on the watch that look off to me. But i'm also not a complete pro at this. There are others here who are better "qualified" that can take a look and give you a better idea. I do however own a GMT as well, but it's a newer model and ther are differences in comparing the two. It may just be that it's one of the early model GMT's that they originally came up with.

BuffaloRolex · 14 January 2009, 01:53 PM

It looks like maybe a Ref. 6542, but with the plastic bezel replaced at some point in its life? That's the closest I could come up with.

BuffaloRolex · 14 January 2009, 02:06 PM

But then, the hands don't necessarily look right...

nch209 · 14 January 2009, 02:37 PM

I am sure Mike ( THE GMT MASTER) will chime in. He will get to the bottom of this! He has helped me on my GMT searches!

miked10270 · 14 January 2009, 06:39 PM

I'll call "FAKE"! (I think).

The look & claim is GMT-Master but:

No crown lugs.

Dial says "Swiss" @ 6 O'Clock but that era would be marked "T" for tritium.

Dial is marked "Officially Certified Chronometer". Should be "Superlative Chronometer..."

So... What size battery does it take?

Mike.

Jedi · 14 January 2009, 06:44 PM

I seem to recall a GMT-Master that is crown lugless. Time to dig out the reference books!

mike · 14 January 2009, 07:47 PM

Photo is a bit overexposed. Assuming all is well could be a 6542 or a VERY early 1675. Hands have been replaced as well as the insert.

NOT MY PHOTO,

padi56 · 14 January 2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked10270

I'll call "FAKE"! (I think).

The look & claim is GMT-Master but:

No crown lugs.

Dial says "Swiss" @ 6 O'Clock but that era would be marked "T" for tritium.

Dial is marked "Officially Certified Chronometer". Should be "Superlative Chronometer"
So... What size battery does it take?

Mike.

Well Mike Brand best not to call watches fakes even if you only think it. First Rolex watches before 1960 just had plain Swiss on dial,and if I remember correct the early original plastic bezel inserts were luminous and the tritium used to paint them had somehow become contaminated with Strontium 90.Early 6542 GMTs had a warning tag with this on, the later metal inserts this problem was rectified.There were no crown guards on early GMTs and no depth rating much like the Subs basically they were just modified 6202 TOG.Now the "Superlative Chronometer" on dials is a very much later addition early watches had Officially Certified Chronometer on dial,and no this model did not use a battery just a mainspring much like the rest of its brothers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

Photo is a bit overexposed. Assuming all is well could be a 6542 or a VERY early 1675. Hands have been replaced as well as the insert.

Yes agree Mike but still a very nice old timer,the larger red hand arrow head is a later addition.

gmt 16750 · 14 January 2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked10270

I'll call "FAKE"! (I think).

The look & claim is GMT-Master but:

No crown lugs.

Dial says "Swiss" @ 6 O'Clock but that era would be marked "T" for tritium.

Dial is marked "Officially Certified Chronometer". Should be "Superlative Chronometer..."

So... What size battery does it take?

Mike.

Well Mike (miked10270), all is not always as it seems my friend:

1) The 1st GMT Master (6542) didn't have crown guards.

2) Early Rolex watches were marked 'SWISS' at the 6 o'clock position (this was before tritium was used).

3) Again, early Rolex chronometer dials were marked without the 'superlative'.

- Neil.

mike · 14 January 2009, 08:47 PM

Spot on Padi.

Excellent info. The more I look at the example, the coin edge of the bezel looks to be 6542 to me.

MrCowboy99 · 15 January 2009, 12:24 AM

Definitely the insert has been replaced. The original should have a Bakelite insert before they went to the aluminum. Depending on the serial number, these were late 50s era.

BuffaloRolex · 15 January 2009, 11:15 AM

Thanks all!

stevemulholland3 · 15 January 2009, 11:31 AM

yeppers,,its a 6542..who's watch is it?
love the vintage baby!!
that looks to be a perfect bakelite insert as well!
awesome!

miked10270 · 15 January 2009, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Well Mike Brand best not to call watches fakes even if you only think it...

I can only apologise. With hindsight my comments were asinine at best.

Regards,

Mike.

BuffaloRolex · 21 January 2009, 06:47 AM

Just wanted to quickly dust-off this thread. I'm really liking this watch and wonder if anyone knows where I could get a comparable 6542? How much can I expect to spend???

Tools · 21 January 2009, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked10270

I can only apologise. With hindsight my comments were asinine at best.

Regards,

Mike.

Mike....

One of the finest posts on the Forum...

Truly, I mean it......

BuffaloRolex · 21 January 2009, 08:13 AM

Any guesstimates as to the value of this piece, with the replaced hands and insert, if I were to make an offer directly to the owner? I believe that the band is also original.

stevemulholland3 · 21 January 2009, 09:24 AM

you are going to pay a pretty penny for one of those..
If you are serious I can call a friend of mine in new york who has a couple for sale..
I will tell you now they are not cheap..
and it would most likely be one with an aftermarket bezel seeing as the true bakelite's have sold for 20k or more..

14 January 2009, 01:04 PM	#1
BuffaloRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tony Location: Buffalo Watch: 16613 (blue dial) Posts: 1,329	GMT Identification Hi Crew, Does anyone recognize this GMT? Is it even real?

14 January 2009, 02:37 PM	#5
nch209 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Nathan Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 2,775	I am sure Mike ( THE GMT MASTER) will chime in. He will get to the bottom of this! He has helped me on my GMT searches! __________________ nch209

14 January 2009, 06:44 PM	#7
Jedi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Lee Location: Malaysia Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,534	I seem to recall a GMT-Master that is crown lugless. Time to dig out the reference books! __________________ Lee This is my watch. There are many like it but this one is mine... Flickr Blog

14 January 2009, 01:21 PM	#2
jtrader "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Jon Location: seattle Watch: Rolex GMT BLNR Posts: 301	It's either really old, or not real. Their are mulitple points on the watch that look off to me. But i'm also not a complete pro at this. There are others here who are better "qualified" that can take a look and give you a better idea. I do however own a GMT as well, but it's a newer model and ther are differences in comparing the two. It may just be that it's one of the early model GMT's that they originally came up with.

14 January 2009, 01:53 PM	#3
BuffaloRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tony Location: Buffalo Watch: 16613 (blue dial) Posts: 1,329	It looks like maybe a Ref. 6542, but with the plastic bezel replaced at some point in its life? That's the closest I could come up with.

14 January 2009, 02:06 PM	#4
BuffaloRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tony Location: Buffalo Watch: 16613 (blue dial) Posts: 1,329	But then, the hands don't necessarily look right...

14 January 2009, 06:39 PM	#6
miked10270 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: N/a Location: N/a Watch: N/a Posts: 55	I'll call "FAKE"! (I think). The look & claim is GMT-Master but: No crown lugs. Dial says "Swiss" @ 6 O'Clock but that era would be marked "T" for tritium. Dial is marked "Officially Certified Chronometer". Should be "Superlative Chronometer..." So... What size battery does it take? Mike.

14 January 2009, 07:47 PM	#8
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Photo is a bit overexposed. Assuming all is well could be a 6542 or a VERY early 1675. Hands have been replaced as well as the insert. NOT MY PHOTO,

14 January 2009, 08:47 PM	#11
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Spot on Padi. Excellent info. The more I look at the example, the coin edge of the bezel looks to be 6542 to me.

15 January 2009, 12:24 AM	#12
MrCowboy99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Mac Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,367	Definitely the insert has been replaced. The original should have a Bakelite insert before they went to the aluminum. Depending on the serial number, these were late 50s era.

15 January 2009, 11:15 AM	#13
BuffaloRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tony Location: Buffalo Watch: 16613 (blue dial) Posts: 1,329	Thanks all!

15 January 2009, 11:31 AM	#14
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	yeppers,,its a 6542..who's watch is it? love the vintage baby!! that looks to be a perfect bakelite insert as well! awesome!

21 January 2009, 06:47 AM	#16
BuffaloRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tony Location: Buffalo Watch: 16613 (blue dial) Posts: 1,329	Just wanted to quickly dust-off this thread. I'm really liking this watch and wonder if anyone knows where I could get a comparable 6542? How much can I expect to spend???

21 January 2009, 08:13 AM	#18
BuffaloRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tony Location: Buffalo Watch: 16613 (blue dial) Posts: 1,329	Any guesstimates as to the value of this piece, with the replaced hands and insert, if I were to make an offer directly to the owner? I believe that the band is also original.

21 January 2009, 09:24 AM	#19
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	you are going to pay a pretty penny for one of those.. If you are serious I can call a friend of mine in new york who has a couple for sale.. I will tell you now they are not cheap.. and it would most likely be one with an aftermarket bezel seeing as the true bakelite's have sold for 20k or more..

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