tampered Rolex papers

[Rolexlover1992]

Hello so I found this DJ 16234 X serial jubilee bracelet in a very mint condition, only problem is that the seller tried to stamp a new date of purchase.
It’s a holes case and asking price is 3750 usd
Is it a good deal consider the damaged papers.
Thank you very much


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[Rolexlover1992]

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[Andad]

X does go back a while.

Did you ask the seller about this?

[Rolexlover1992]

I actually did but he claims that he just saw it.
Is the price good for it?


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[enjoythemusic]

Price seems good imho. Would like to see pics of watch, and check for bracelet stretch too.

[JonaG]

It’s up to you but doctored papers (even long after the guarantee has expired) would cause me to walk away. Why bother when there must be 100s of other completely legit B&Ps available? Good luck

[Rentalcarman]

Personally I would pass. Any tampering makes the entire transaction suspect to me. Always buy the seller.

[bigfatpauli]

If the papers are doctored, it begs the question: what else is?

[Swiss Mad!]

As above - tampered papers = big red flag.

Plenty of other genuine watches for sale.

Walk away...quickly


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[Lifeisarolliecoaster]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

As above - tampered papers = big red flag.

Plenty of other genuine watches for sale.

Walk away...quickly


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I wouldn’t consider going any further. Why the doctoring of the papers? Save yourself the gnawing doubt that you will have

[watchmaker]

Since it’s clear that the model reference and serial number have not been tampered with and it is just the date that is questionable, it wouldn’t stop me buying it. It’s approximately 28 years old so the warranty is obviously long gone and the paper is now a trinket to live in the box.

And to be frank, the 16234 isn’t collectible or rare in any way so you don’t really have ‘future resale value’ to worry about. It’s a watch to buy and keep. I’d make an offer minus the current service price.

There are a lot of tampered with warranty papers and cards out there. Normally names crossed out and sometimes forged dates. People think they are clever trying to wangle an extra year or two warranty.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Since it’s clear that the model reference and serial number have not been tampered with and it is just the date that is questionable, it wouldn’t stop me buying it. It’s approximately 28 years old so the warranty is obviously long gone and the paper is now a trinket to live in the box.

And to be frank, the 16234 isn’t collectible or rare in any way so you don’t really have ‘future resale value’ to worry about. It’s a watch to buy and keep. I’d make an offer minus the current service price.

There are a lot of tampered with warranty papers and cards out there. Normally names crossed out and sometimes forged dates. People think they are clever trying to wangle an extra year or two warranty.

Have to agree and that bit of paper is just a outdated warranty whether the date has been tampered or not.

[fsprow]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

since it’s clear that the model reference and serial number have not been tampered with and it is just the date that is questionable, it wouldn’t stop me buying it. It’s approximately 28 years old so the warranty is obviously long gone and the paper is now a trinket to live in the box.

And to be frank, the 16234 isn’t collectible or rare in any way so you don’t really have ‘future resale value’ to worry about. It’s a watch to buy and keep. I’d make an offer minus the current service price.

There are a lot of tampered with warranty papers and cards out there. Normally names crossed out and sometimes forged dates. People think they are clever trying to wangle an extra year or two warranty.

100%

[sillo]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Since it’s clear that the model reference and serial number have not been tampered with and it is just the date that is questionable, it wouldn’t stop me buying it. It’s approximately 28 years old so the warranty is obviously long gone and the paper is now a trinket to live in the box.

And to be frank, the 16234 isn’t collectible or rare in any way so you don’t really have ‘future resale value’ to worry about. It’s a watch to buy and keep. I’d make an offer minus the current service price.

There are a lot of tampered with warranty papers and cards out there. Normally names crossed out and sometimes forged dates. People think they are clever trying to wangle an extra year or two warranty.

Agreed. If there was no date there then maybe a dealer just put one on when the watch changed hands at some point. I wouldn't call that "tampering."

[Calatrava r]

Just buying trouble.

[jimcameron]

How do you know it was the seller that stamped it? Could it not have been done by a prior owner?

[oldman2005]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

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And to be frank, the 16234 isn’t collectible or rare in any way so you don’t really have ‘future resale value’ to worry about. It’s a watch to buy and keep. I’d make an offer minus the current service price.

..

What he said, just make sure it's an authentic watch

[faimag]

Why do you think the papers are tampered? Because of the different color of the date and AD stamp? That's not a telling sign. Most such punched certificates have the AD name stamped, and the date of purchase hand-written! So if someone wanted to tamper with the date, it would be waaaaaay easier (and much more common practice) to write the date by hand! And even if the papers were undated, would it matter at this time?!

Or do you think they are tampered because it's an X serial sold in 2009? Admittedly it's surprising, but the X serial is a bit of a weird case. See this thread. X serials have been sold from as early as 1990 to as late as 2005. Yours pushes the limit to 2009!


Assuming the watch checks out, I wouldn't care a bit...

[173rdabn]

I buy the watch, not the papers. Have the watch checked for authenticity, then buy it if it checks out. Negotiate a small discount and the price of authentication.

[Boaters]

You dont wear the paper .. just my opinion

[Rolexlover1992]

Ok so indeed the watch is authentic and in amazing condition, and for sure papers was tampered with if you see the pic I attached in the second post you can clearly see another date written by hand, the clasp code is p9,


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[toxicavenger]

Worried about papers on a watch this old is a little extreme.

[imgook]

I swear this is a troll account. His history of posting is as random as it gets.

[Rolexlover1992]

Originally Posted by imgook

I swear this is a troll account. His history of posting is as random as it gets.

It’s none of your sir.


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[Rocket_Man]

The doctored papers wouldn't bother me if i knew the seller. I'd probably ask for a discount since the papers may make it harder to sell it later if you wanted to. But if I didn't know the seller I'd pass and look for another one. It just seems odd and a possible red flag. It might be just fine, and $3,750 isn't a ton of money, but if this is your first impression of the seller it is not a good one.