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Mrmj · 7 June 2019, 04:45 PM

Hey guys,
Was checking out this 1803, does it look authentic?

rootbeer7 · 7 June 2019, 10:23 PM

I don’t like the look of it. Dial markers misaligned, fonts strange etc etc

STEELINOX · 8 June 2019, 12:58 AM

Looks early 60s production - the “bark” finish maybe post production...

Dial looks authentic...

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southtexas · 8 June 2019, 03:01 AM

Dial is refinished.

If model is 1803, I think case is custom finished also. Should be 1807 or something other than 1803 if I recall?

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steversaurus · 8 June 2019, 03:14 AM

The text looks terrible.

Richard Carver · 8 June 2019, 03:25 AM

Of course, a bark DD is a ref 1807. You might double check that. The standard layout for an 1807 was barked bezel and barked center links. The font on the dial looks weak from the pics. I would do more homework.

Verdi · 8 June 2019, 03:44 PM

it looks like a poor redial...

goldfixer21 · 8 June 2019, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verdi

it looks like a poor redial...

I could be wrong, just ask my wife, but I believe the printing on linen dials is usually messy due to the surface of the dial.

motoikkyu · 9 June 2019, 12:24 AM

My opinion is that normal 1803 has been "barked", which wasn't unusual in those days: aftermarket finish on case and bracelet. As for dial, I must defer to others: I agree the printing on linen-finish and silk-finish dials usually looks a bit suspect or horsed, but this may be a little more suspect than average.

offrdmania · 9 June 2019, 12:36 AM

I would be curious to know what model number is stamped between the lugs. If it is in fact stamped 1803 and the bark job is done after the fact then whoever did it did an amazing job! I do agree that linen dial printing is usually a little more messy because of the texture of the dial but this dials printing is much messier which leads me to believe that it was either redone or touched up.

zapokee · 9 June 2019, 02:55 AM

To me it's a redial and an aftermarket bark job.

May be genuine, but good luck selling it on... #hotpotato

seattleal · 9 June 2019, 07:26 AM

FYI - here is an 1807 with an OEM bracelet.

southtexas · 9 June 2019, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldfixer21

I could be wrong, just ask my wife, but I believe the printing on linen dials is usually messy due to the surface of the dial.

It’s missing a key component of every original factory dial (hint: look under 6 o’clock).

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crowncollection · 9 June 2019, 07:20 PM

redial and aftermarket bark finish

77T · 9 June 2019, 08:35 PM

This is not a watch for the faint of heart. While parts may be authentic, they are far from original in their finish.

For that reason you’ll never be able to get a routine service at RSC.

Now if you want to stand out in a crowd, then it serves that purpose fully.

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Mrmj · 10 June 2019, 02:31 AM

Classic watch shop opened it up and said everything is authentic. The dial is the original, but refinished. The bark finish is aftermarket as well. Overall they said it was a nice piece.
Thinking about buying it and maybe putting in a original dial. Good idea?

holdtime · 10 June 2019, 02:41 AM

Rapper Edition?

Mrmj · 10 June 2019, 04:58 AM

The watch’s provenance is from from the estate of Chet downs, a Texas oil, land , and gold mine owner. Not flava flave

offrdmania · 10 June 2019, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrmj

Classic watch shop opened it up and said everything is authentic. The dial is the original, but refinished. The bark finish is aftermarket as well. Overall they said it was a nice piece.
Thinking about buying it and maybe putting in a original dial. Good idea?

The champagne linen dials are quite plentiful. Here are a few that I found real quick.

The first one has some very minor small aging blemishes. The second looks as if the lume was redone at some point or could be original and done by another manufacturer, the rest of the dial looks good. and the last one looks the most original of the three IMO.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Ro...MAAOSwbLZa6lTD

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Me...AAAOSw7NNUFHDP

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Me...sAAOSwcB5ZMGVV

Verdi · 10 June 2019, 02:24 PM

My 2 cents:

don't put a linen dial on it. the watch looks quite "busy" because of the bark finish job....it would look better with a plain dial.

you can find plenty of choices for this reference.

jordtattoos · 10 June 2019, 11:40 PM

Literally my next watch! 1986 birth year 18038!

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michael067 · 18 June 2019, 09:22 AM

Run. Run fast

TempoKing · 5 August 2019, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

redial and aftermarket bark finish

Many decades ago... I remember that for a short period ...gold watches
were having the “nugget” look - some Rolex president owners asked
their jeweler to customize their smooth bracelet finish into a -nuggety- look
So the bark aftermarket finish was born.
In my opinion the ugliest attempt of customizing a Rolex

Buy it only ...if VERY CHEAP...nothing above gold scrap value...

7 June 2019, 10:23 PM	#2
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STEELINOX 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Sink-O! Location: a praire in AZ Watch: ROLEX-less atm... Posts: 14,020	Looks early 60s production - the “bark” finish maybe post production... Dial looks authentic... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ *Positive Waves Baby* Lug Hole Loyalist / Chamfer Line Inspector INFORTHE WIN SUB-MAH-REEEN-ER ~ !

8 June 2019, 03:01 AM	#4
southtexas 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,761	1803 presidential, unusual finishes Dial is refinished. If model is 1803, I think case is custom finished also. Should be 1807 or something other than 1803 if I recall? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me. Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex

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Verdi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mitch Location: UAE Watch: Big Ben Posts: 2,451	it looks like a poor redial... __________________ IG: @watch_idiot_savant

9 June 2019, 12:24 AM	#9
motoikkyu 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: PRJ Posts: 1,732	My opinion is that normal 1803 has been "barked", which wasn't unusual in those days: aftermarket finish on case and bracelet. As for dial, I must defer to others: I agree the printing on linen-finish and silk-finish dials usually looks a bit suspect or horsed, but this may be a little more suspect than average. __________________ "Do you like Breitling?" "I don't know, really, I've never been Breitled"

8 June 2019, 03:14 AM	#5
steversaurus "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Vancouver Posts: 157	The text looks terrible.

8 June 2019, 03:25 AM	#6
Richard Carver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: US Posts: 2,237	Of course, a bark DD is a ref 1807. You might double check that. The standard layout for an 1807 was barked bezel and barked center links. The font on the dial looks weak from the pics. I would do more homework.

9 June 2019, 12:36 AM	#10
offrdmania 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,990	I would be curious to know what model number is stamped between the lugs. If it is in fact stamped 1803 and the bark job is done after the fact then whoever did it did an amazing job! I do agree that linen dial printing is usually a little more messy because of the texture of the dial but this dials printing is much messier which leads me to believe that it was either redone or touched up. __________________ TRF Member 11738

9 June 2019, 02:55 AM	#11
zapokee "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Japan Posts: 4,366	To me it's a redial and an aftermarket bark job. May be genuine, but good luck selling it on... #hotpotato

9 June 2019, 07:20 PM	#14
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,215	redial and aftermarket bark finish __________________ watches many

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77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 41,906	This is not a watch for the faint of heart. While parts may be authentic, they are far from original in their finish. For that reason you’ll never be able to get a routine service at RSC. Now if you want to stand out in a crowd, then it serves that purpose fully. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

10 June 2019, 02:31 AM	#16
Mrmj "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 4	Classic watch shop opened it up and said everything is authentic. The dial is the original, but refinished. The bark finish is aftermarket as well. Overall they said it was a nice piece. Thinking about buying it and maybe putting in a original dial. Good idea?

10 June 2019, 02:41 AM	#17
holdtime Banned Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Planet Earth. Posts: 582	Rapper Edition?

10 June 2019, 04:58 AM	#18
Mrmj "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 4	The watch’s provenance is from from the estate of Chet downs, a Texas oil, land , and gold mine owner. Not flava flave

10 June 2019, 02:24 PM	#20
Verdi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mitch Location: UAE Watch: Big Ben Posts: 2,451	My 2 cents: don't put a linen dial on it. the watch looks quite "busy" because of the bark finish job....it would look better with a plain dial. you can find plenty of choices for this reference. __________________ IG: @watch_idiot_savant

10 June 2019, 11:40 PM	#21
jordtattoos "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: UK Posts: 29	Literally my next watch! 1986 birth year 18038! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

18 June 2019, 09:22 AM	#22
michael067 Banned Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Las Vegas Watch: TT DJ 16233 Posts: 1,002	Run. Run fast

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