360 in the FS section.

[TheDude]

Who here wouldn't rather have a 9B full set? This one (which is probably also overpriced) is a fraction of the cost of the 360 for sale @ less than $17K.

http://www.watches24seven.com/galler...2_itemId=21131

[dman]

Originally Posted by TheDude

Who here wouldn't rather have a 9B full set? This one (which is probably also overpriced) is a fraction of the cost of the 360 for sale @ less than $17K.

http://www.watches24seven.com/galler...2_itemId=21131

Patrick, I had a 9B, and a 4A....now where the hell is my time machine, especially for what I let them go for.

[jvo300]

I find the 4 and 9 more tempting from a price perspective, but then if price becomes the primary motivator I'm just going to get a 000 PVD for relative peanuts.

[Welshwatchman]

Let's say that Rolex came down from their ivory tower and agreed to produce 500 14060m with a subtly special dial and caseback inscription designed for TRF by Rolex to mark its 10 anniversary.

Who's to think that this £3,500 limited edition wouldn't be offered at £20,000+ by a lot more than this single speculator. There'd be scores of them, though not advertised here.

Temptation is a bitch.

To think that Rolex would entertain such a notion as Panerai were good enough to do, makes me laugh myself sick.

I'm not in the market for the 360 since it means nothing to me but there again I'm never going to be in the market for a new Rolex again.

[dman]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Let's say that Rolex came down from their ivory tower and agreed to produce 500 14060m with a subtly special dial and caseback inscription designed for TRF by Rolex to mark its 10 anniversary.

Who's to think that this £3,500 limited edition wouldn't be offered at £20,000+ by a lot more than this single speculator. There'd be scores of them, though not advertised here.

Temptation is a bitch.

To think that Rolex would entertain such a notion as Panerai were good enough to do, makes me laugh myself sick.

I'm not in the market for the 360 since it means nothing to me but there again I'm never going to be in the market for a new Rolex again.

Too right Paul. And the fact that it's such a limited run makes it so different from anything Rolex would ever do. How many years and countless rumors we heard about the LV being limitedbut unfounded.

As for value overtime who knows. But I know what the F series SD is worth today that I traded for my first Panerai, 27C. I know where they were and are now price wise, no contest which has increased more in market value.

But alas, comparing the two companies is apples and oranges and both companies are doing it right, just differently.

[Pep04]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Let's say that Rolex came down from their ivory tower and agreed to produce 500 14060m with a subtly special dial and caseback inscription designed for TRF by Rolex to mark its 10 anniversary.

Who's to think that this £3,500 limited edition wouldn't be offered at £20,000+ by a lot more than this single speculator. There'd be scores of them, though not advertised here.

Temptation is a bitch.

To think that Rolex would entertain such a notion as Panerai were good enough to do, makes me laugh myself sick.

I'm not in the market for the 360 since it means nothing to me but there again I'm never going to be in the market for a new Rolex again.

If Rolex ever made one of those, I would love to add it to my collection!!!


I really like the 360. I think that it is very difficult to put a price on a piece with sentimental history attached to it. The majority of people here and in everyday life would never understand why anyone would pay that much for that watch. But, there are people that say the same thing about anyone buying a watch over $100.


There are people that pay thousands for a collectable toy or a comic book. I would never pay what they do (specially a collectible that you won't even touch, rather have under glass or in lucite), but to each his own. At the end of the day.....who cares what you do with your money. It is very annoying to see people criticize others because they don't agree with how they spend their money. They earned it, they can spend it how they like.

[Shade]

30k? No, I wouldn't.

I'd get a preowned Daytona in GOLD, AND a Daydate in gold. Worth much more.

Or I can get a 1950 case in GOLD Panny with the blue dial, and chrono. :D And I still have some 7k left over to buy me a crapload of straps.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by jvo300

I find the 4 and 9 more tempting from a price perspective, but then if price becomes the primary motivator I'm just going to get a 000 PVD for relative peanuts.

I didn't mean to imply that a 9 or a 4 were simply more desired due to cost. Rather, these models were special because of what they were not. They were not recognized as the rare and special pieces that we know them to be today. They were what they were, before most of us knew we wanted them, and certainly before watchmakers knew coating cases with black stuff meant stampedes to the local AD.

When watches with this kind of importance become cheaper than the homages to them, something has definitely gone off the rails.

[jvo300]

Originally Posted by TheDude

When watches with this kind of importance become cheaper than the homages to them, something has definitely gone off the rails.

I couldn't agree more.

[Micha1983]

There are two 360's on Ebay now

[leeye]

Yes there are 2 on Ebay now. 2 out of 300 issued to selected paneristi. Panerai should instead list the 300 on Ebay with the extra proceeds going to charity.

[Watchman1957]

Originally Posted by leeye

Yes there are 2 on Ebay now. 2 out of 300 issued to selected paneristi. Panerai should instead list the 300 on Ebay with the extra proceeds going to charity.

But if they did that Lee, what oh what woud happen to all of the Elitists on the Paneristi forum and their arrogant attitude. That website as well would not have 2 classes of people posting there, the haves and the have nots.....


And please no one should take this as bitter comment on my part as most everyone here knows I am only in to real Pre A's and Pre V's not the fake ones like a 360.

[Zirotti]

At one point down the line, the majority of every 360 produced will be sold on the secondary market. The only difference is that the first couple sellers have the cojones to price it where they know some guy who is desperate to be part of the club will pay 4x what the thing was originally sold for.

Would it be different if the guy was selling it because he lost his job and needs to pay his mortgage or had some other type of sob story to go with it?

I like Panerai, but I struggle to find the allure to the Pre-V models, let alone a "homage" Pre-V.

[Watchman1957]

Originally Posted by Zirotti

At one point down the line, the majority of every 360 produced will be sold on the secondary market. The only difference is that the first couple sellers have the cojones to price it where they know some guy who is desperate to be part of the club will pay 4x what the thing was originally sold for.

Would it be different if the guy was selling it because he lost his job and needs to pay his mortgage or had some other type of sob story to go with it?

I like Panerai, but I struggle to find the allure to the Pre-V models, let alone a "homage" Pre-V.

What do you not love about this face?

[Zirotti]

Originally Posted by Watchman1957

What do you not love about this face?

I love it, but not at the ridiculous premium they fetch. I'll take a $3k 000 over that.

[MrTito]

It's like so many things in life people will always seek to take financial advantage of an opportunity regardless of the 'morality' of it.
I've always been a big Panerai fan and was a member on the aforementioned website, quite frankly I agree with Watchman - the arrogance of some of them is unreal - conceited and petty. I actually find the whole saga of these being up for sale mildly amusing!
Although I have to say Panerai's remain beautiful to me, pre - v or not!

[brainbizz]

I personally do not find it immoral for someone to sell watch. I do not buy and sell them but if someone offered me an obscene amount for one that i am indifferent about then why not? After playing the Ferrari game over the years it all becomes ridiculous. IMHO if you buy it its yours to keep sell trade. I just don't see getting all bent out of shape about a group in a forum of guys who most likely buy and sell watches selling a watch. Its what they do so why is everyone surprised. Maybe someone who truly appreciates the watch will wind up with it who knows.

[Watchman1957]

Originally Posted by MrTito

It's like so many things in life people will always seek to take financial advantage of an opportunity regardless of the 'morality' of it.
I've always been a big Panerai fan and was a member on the aforementioned website, quite frankly I agree with Watchman - the arrogance of some of them is unreal - conceited and petty. I actually find the whole saga of these being up for sale mildly amusing!
Although I have to say Panerai's remain beautiful to me, pre - v or not!

Well said, I am a member of the website and if I remember correctly, I have only posted in the forum once over there, I have only been to it recently to see the attitude of the have's vs the have not's. From what I see this 360 only hurt the community over there and I will not being going back to the forum anytime soon. But to be honest, I still browse the for sale sections each and every day.

[dman]

Originally Posted by Watchman1957

Well said, I am a member of the website and if I remember correctly, I have only posted in the forum once over there, I have only been to it recently to see the attitude of the have's vs the have not's. From what I see this 360 only hurt the community over there and I will not being going back to the forum anytime soon. But to be honest, I still browse the for sale sections each and every day.

People said the same thing about the 195 destroying the forum but it didn't. All this whining, crying and hurt feelings will pass in time like with the 195 and 203 and other watches.

Not saying it's right or wrong, it just is.

The fact is, the 360 is getting some people to show their real colors...

[Watchman1957]

Originally Posted by dman

People said the same thing about the 195 destroying the forum but it didn't. All this whining, crying and hurt feelings will pass in time like with the 195 and 203 and other watches.

Not saying it's right or wrong, it just is.

The fact is, the 360 is getting some people to show their real colors...

Forgive my ignorance, I did not realize the 195 and the 203 were directly made for, designed by and related to the Paneristi website at all and least we forget the buyers for the 195 and 203 were chosen by the amount of participation on the project and posts made on the Panerisit Forum itself.

[dman]

Originally Posted by Watchman1957

Forgive my ignorance, I did not realize the 195 and the 203 were directly made for, designed by and related to the Paneristi website at all and least we forget the buyers for the 195 and 203 were chosen by the amount of participation on the project and posts made on the Panerisit Forum itself.

They weren't, and I was certainly not trying to imply ignorance or anything like that. But it was no mistake on either of those that the design had input from the forum and members. Maybe not directly designed, but certainly indirectly. Many of the watches released in the recent past were based on forum input.

I don't know exactly how the lists were put together, never asked or expected to be told.

Fact is, with both the 195 and 203 people had their feelings hurt and many who felt like they deserved it or others felt like they deserved it were not choosen. Many of them swore off the forum, I don't think any of them left for good. I know one friend of mine didn't get a 203 and I was gutted for him. He made some pretty strong public remarks about Panerai and the selection process but he still participates in GTG's and the forum.

There is a reason why they say it is so much more than a watch, at least to me.

[Watchman1957]

Originally Posted by dman

They weren't, and I was certainly not trying to imply ignorance or anything like that. But it was no mistake on either of those that the design had input from the forum and members. Maybe not directly designed, but certainly indirectly. Many of the watches released in the recent past were based on forum input.

I don't know exactly how the lists were put together, never asked or expected to be told.

Fact is, with both the 195 and 203 people had their feelings hurt and many who felt like they deserved it or others felt like they deserved it were not choosen. Many of them swore off the forum, I don't think any of them left for good. I know one friend of mine didn't get a 203 and I was gutted for him. He made some pretty strong public remarks about Panerai and the selection process but he still participates in GTG's and the forum.

There is a reason why they say it is so much more than a watch, at least to me.

Turn on your sarcastic meter when reading my posts......

Yes they do say more than a watch when a 203 is going for what 110,000 or 120,000 USD now?

[dman]

Originally Posted by Watchman1957

Turn on your sarcastic meter when reading my posts......

Yes they do say more than a watch when a 203 is going for what 110,000 or 120,000 USD now?

And the problem with that is? And with out an emoticon I will read the post for what it is. Sorry, hard to tell influction.

[Watchman1957]

Originally Posted by dman

And the problem with that is?

LOL, none, no problem with me on that at all, I love the Law of Supply & Demand but it is failing now with the release of the 341 and other recent releases.

[Pep04]

You guys are arguing basically the same point.


Fact is that this watch carries much more of a sentimental value than that of a price tag.


I would be honored to own that watch. Even though I was not selected to purchase one. Just the fact that it is a watch exclusively made for a small group is enough reason to demand such a price. Exclusivity is what you are paying for here.

Why does a DSSD carry such a hefty price? Nothing more than a bunch of steel throw together and a movement that can be purchased for much less than the piece at hand.


Are you paying $30k plus for a domed piece of plastic and some red fonts? No. It is much more than that. If you can't appreciate why the price has to be what it is, I wouldn't expect you to appreciate the price tag on the 360.

As for some that have decided to capitalize on the opportunity.... so be it. They obviously don't share the same sentimental value than the lot of the owners.


I purchased a Kinkade painting that carried a hefty price because the piece moved me in a way that nothing else has. Some might think that I paid too much for a piece of canvas. But, it is much more to me than that. The same goes for the passion of watches or any other collectible for that matter.

A classic muscle car with no modern upgraded comforts carries a much heavier price than most modern cars. People pay tens of thousands or even a million dollars to own a car that is not much more productive in getting you from point A to point B than a Daiwoo. The purchaser isn't interested in the functionality of the car, rather the exclusivity and passion that drives him (no pun intended) to pay the price to own a rare car.

[Watchman1957]

^^^^Agreed on all points, that is why I own the watches I own (look at list). Can we see a picture of the Kinkade?

[Max]

A discussion about this watch on a Rolex forum is like posting about a BMW on an Audi forum.

I agree with all of Pep04's posts, you either understand it or you don't.

[Watchman1957]

Originally Posted by Max

A discussion about this watch on a Rolex forum is like posting about a BMW on an Audi forum.

I agree with all of Pep04's posts, you either understand it or you don't.

Not saying I agree, in fact, I'll have a bite of disagree but for those that do not like or hate the attitudes at the only dedicated PAM forum then the Panerai sub-forums is the only place to voice our opinion. Personally I only own Panerai watches now, all others are down the road.

As for owning the 360, not my cup of tea at all.

[mike]

Originally Posted by Max

A discussion about this watch on a Rolex forum is like posting about a BMW on an Audi forum.

I agree with all of Pep04's posts, you either understand it or you don't.

Well,..this is a sub forum about Panerai.

[Watchman1957]

Originally Posted by mike

Well,..this is a sub forum about Panerai.

He is looking up the meaning of sub-forum and plans to get back to us on this......