New Release OMEGA STEEL 321 vs DAYTONA STEEL

[Cru Jones]

The 321 is for a certain hardcore Speedy fan. I mean, the movement tech is OLD, but it is pretty. As for the rest, why make an Ed White homage with a sapphire crystal, display back, fauxtina lume and bizarre polish/brush/polish bracelet?

What I love about the Daytona is that while it is rooted in history, it is resolutely modern with no compromises.

So, yeah, give me a black DaytonaC. ;-)

[Seaswirl]

Daytona by a mile and then add a Plain Jane Speedy Pro.

[jltait]

The only reason I’d consider this new 321 model over the standard hesalite moon watch is the revised bracelet, but nowhere near worth it at MSRP. The movement is legendary sure, but not necessarily better than the currently produced caliber. Some will disagree I know.

[subtona]

When the watch hits and the reviews start coming in, the limited supply is sure to cause some big hype.

I expect many of the commentators discounting this watch for price will be quite surprised and many will find themselves in the market.

All I would say is wait and see rather than rush to judgment.

[42itus]

My OB said they aren’t taking deposits on this because they don’t know how many they can deliver. I was told that it might be available to me as soon as one comes in. But I’m not a big hitter so I would say I won’t get one unless multiple clients pass on it.


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[Dsmith1974]

https://youtu.be/neXBjqIXT30

Interesting prediction about the Speedy Pro being phased out. Glad I never sold mine.

I don’t think the 321 is worth is 14K. Maybe 5 or 6. Not a fan or faux patina and they should’ve at least made it 100M water resistant.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Dsmith1974

https://youtu.be/neXBjqIXT30

Interesting prediction about the Speedy Pro being phased out. Glad I never sold mine.

I don’t think the 321 is worth is 14K. Maybe 5 or 6. Not a fan or faux patina and they should’ve at least made it 100M water resistant.

Lemania (321) movement is used in the Patek 5070P...that watch is 150k. Relatively speaking sounds like a fair deal.

The “faux patina” claim has been fairly disputed as being inaccurate. Original advertisement pictures for the Ed white showed nearly identical coloring in brand new Ed whites from 1965. It was the original color of the tritium lume before aging. Regardless imho the light contrast of the markers adds interest in the dial and I think it looks good.

Agree with the 100m WR, that would have made it a world beater.

[ma.st.]

I love both and respect the history, heritage and modern technology employed (differently) in each.

I see no problem with the 321 pricing. Is it more than I was hoping? Sure. But so is the grey market pricing on Daytona's right now.

321 deserves a seat at the same table for the exact same reasons that I put the Daytona there. I'll withhold judgment on which gets the head seat, though.

[exador]

Originally Posted by Dsmith1974

https://youtu.be/neXBjqIXT30

Interesting prediction about the Speedy Pro being phased out.

Don't believe it until I hear it from Robert-Jan Broer.

[iTreelex]

The Omega isn't even regulated to a chronometer, is it? If so then the price is ridiculous.

[Bozack90]

its a tough one, I really like the Speedy but personally couldn't see myself spending that much for one even with the new case, bracelet, and the re release 321 movement.

I have always loved the Daytona, but they are so limited in availability that you're forced to pay a massive markup....

Compared to the secondary market price of the Daytona the new Speedy is pretty reasonable, but I still would rather just get an original Hesalite speedy and another Rolex and call it a day.

[Rado63]

The 321 isn't just a remake of old parts. The entire watch movement and watch head and bracelet is said to be made by a single watch maker. The entire movement has been re manufactured to the exact spec of the 321. I would like the platinum 321 with meteorite sub dials. Watch is icy cool. Until then I will continue to wear my hesalite crystal, solid case back, speedy pro. Photo is from the Hodinkee article on the 321 Platinum.

[pepsiretail]

Originally Posted by Dsmith1974

https://youtu.be/neXBjqIXT30

Interesting prediction about the Speedy Pro being phased out. Glad I never sold mine.

I don’t think the 321 is worth is 14K. Maybe 5 or 6. Not a fan or faux patina and they should’ve at least made it 100M water resistant.

lol 5 or 6 k thanks for the

[mmaggi]

Price aside, the 321 wins. Not even close. A true chronograph is hand wound, not an auto for starters. Both have a column wheels.

Daytonas are nice, don't get me wrong. But a Speedy is the most iconic chronograph.

[Seaswirl]

Originally Posted by mmaggi

Price aside, the 321 wins. Not even close. A true chronograph is hand wound, not an auto for starters. Both have a column wheels.

Daytonas are nice, don't get me wrong. But a Speedy is the most iconic chronograph.

Why should a “true” chronograph be hand wound? Couldn’t the same be said for all mechanical watches? I like my Speedy just fine, but I don’t think it’s anymore of a real chronograph as my Daytona or IWC Portugese Chronograph Classic. Just different.

[Rolexfellow]

I own a Speedmaster and a white dial ceramic Daytona...Love them both but can only read the time on one of them..Dare to guess which one?

[brucethemanlee]

Daytona without question if same price

Which means omega overpriced

If omega was < $10k then there might be some competition

I just don’t understand the value of a 321 movement. Sure iconic but what else?


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[subtona]

Originally Posted by iTreelex

The Omega isn't even regulated to a chronometer, is it? If so then the price is ridiculous.

The Daytona is found to be illegible by many and it doesn't have the correct number of markers to accurately determine a 60 second timing event... no amount of regulating will correct this fundamental flaw.

[lamnyc]

I’ll wait till I get my white dial Daytona before I considered getting the 321 speedmaster.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by mmaggi

Price aside, the 321 wins. Not even close. A true chronograph is hand wound, not an auto for starters. Both have a column wheels.

Daytonas are nice, don't get me wrong. But a Speedy is the most iconic chronograph.

Not really. A true chronograph can also be auto. You just prefer manual. You'd have a stronger argument if you were talking integrated v modular. The height of the chrono was in the 60's and 70's in car racing. The ruler there was Heuer. Both manual and auto.


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[Dougiebaby]

Originally Posted by mmaggi

...a Speedy is the most iconic chronograph.

The Speedy is the most iconic chrono to space watch geeks.

The Daytona is the most iconic chrono to motorsports watch geeks ... and the public as a whole.

I have been collecting nice watches since 1984 (got a DJ36 for my HS graduation) and the Speedy has always just ... fallen short. I have tried to become a "true watch geek" and add a Speedy (we're supposed to do that aren't we?) but every time I see one or put one on ... meh. It is one of the more disappointing watches in the metal to me.

But, the Daytona is s3x on the wrist. Of course it is not as legible ... who cares, it's sexy as heck! Non watch people see it and know it is something special. It really is one of the Rock Stars of the watch world.

Rock Stars give a middle finger to ... doing well in school, marrying a good girl that you can take home to mom, and driving a 5-star crash test minivan.

Rock Stars stay out late at night, pick up hot chicks, and drive Lambos! When was the last time you saw umberella girls at a space launch?

[GBD]

Aside from the fauxtina, I think the 321 is more appealing in almost every way. Far and away the most iconic chronograph of all time. Much better looking, too, imo.

[tenpercenter]

Really like the bracelet. Is it available on any of their other references?


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[djgallo]

Originally Posted by Maxy

Some folks don't get the world outside Rolex. Nothing against you.. but Omega released Snoopy Moonwatch for $7K USD and now it sells for $24K USD as used. So, they know the market for it.

A cartoon character on a watch....

Originally Posted by nachopc

Omega vs Rolex
BMW vs Porsche or Range Rover

It’s another league !


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Agree. Omega can’t compare/compete with Rolex....maybe they can compete with Tudor, Tag, Seiko.....but never Rolex!

[subtona]

Originally Posted by tenpercenter

Really like the bracelet. Is it available on any of their other references?


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Yes the bracelet is available on another model, the clasp I have seen is a butterfly type.
The butterfly type clasp may or may not be the same on the new release?

[037]

Originally Posted by subtona

Yes the bracelet is available on another model, the clasp I have seen is a butterfly type.
The butterfly type clasp may or may not be the same on the new release?

It's the same overall style clasp as on the 50th, no? Pics show what looks like a rectangular housing and same style deployant buttons.

I just hate that they didn't do this in hesalite. That's a huge letdown. Irrespective of price, it has a lot of misses in my book.

[dmhines]

$10,000 up charge for 321 movement and ceramic bezel is insane.

[Radbloke]

The 321 is pretty nice, but if I was going to spend (relative) megabucks on a Speedmaster, it would be the Racing Master Chronometer. Not quite the same look as a traditional Speedy, but a thoroughly modern take with a beast movement.

[Tavli3]

I love my vintage Speedy but have given up on Omega due to it's dumb lazy upper management. If Brand and value destruction were an Olympic event they would be gold medalists.
Compare that to the upper management of Rolex. 30 second first round KO.
My choice given they're the same price- Daytona even if I can't tell time with it.

Will be happy to get my Speedy some family companionship when Omega gets their sh^t together.

[Rori]

I'm not a fan of Chronos but I think Omega finally managed to make a good looking bracelet. Of course, it had to be a copy from Rolex's Oyster with a twist. Watch looks good, price is not.