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nauticajoe · 9 February 2010, 05:18 AM

Guys, need your help. I've got a grey dealer informing me they have a new '98 SD. Can this be true? I've heard of 'pre-owned' but not new.

ParisDakarBmw · 9 February 2010, 05:21 AM

Go look at it and see. I guess it's possible!

nauticajoe · 9 February 2010, 05:24 AM

I can't. This dealer is from CA.

SLS · 9 February 2010, 05:27 AM

It can happen, it could be New Old Stock, NOS. Sometime dealers/collectors buy a piece and do not wear it and I have heard of AD's finding pieces in the back of the safe. It the seller is trustworthy, I would jump on it.
Scott

nauticajoe · 9 February 2010, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SLS

It can happen, it could be New Old Stock, NOS. Sometime dealers/collectors buy a piece and do not wear it and I have heard of AD's finding pieces in the back of the safe. It the seller is trustworthy, I would jump on it.
Scott

Scott, vs. a Z, M or V series? Does the A series have the sel? Also, I presume this has the old lume?

STEELINOX · 9 February 2010, 06:06 AM

Pretty sure the A has SEL. And I would jump on it if it is indeed what they say it is, "NOS".

ParisDakarBmw · 9 February 2010, 06:09 AM

Can you get pics from him?

Jason71 · 9 February 2010, 06:19 AM

A-serial is SEL. I have 2 of them and would HIGHLY recommend it over one of the newer models because it has drilled lugs. It has SuperLuminova and should glow like a champ. Decent chance that it is "like-new", but like what was said.........there is a slim chance it is NOS.

STEELINOX · 9 February 2010, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jclevoy

A-serial is SEL. I have 2 of them and would HIGHLY recommend it over one of the newer models because it has drilled lugs. It has SuperLuminova and should glow like a champ. Decent chance that it is "like-new", but like what was said.........there is a slim chance it is NOS.

Petesakes, I thought all this time you had three Jason !

X 2

Jocke · 9 February 2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Pretty sure the A has SEL. And I would jump on it if it is indeed what they say it is, "NOS".

Randy, Sea Dweller got SEL in 1978.

STEELINOX · 9 February 2010, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jocke

Randy, Sea Dweller got SEL in 1978.

I knew that, I forgot. I remember when they first came out, my buddy bought a Sub Date and i told him to ask the salesgal to swap out the strap for the Dweller SEL, and the gal did "at no extra cost;" for the tuna can end linked shell strap. I was surprised she did it, I was just kiddin around to see if the thing would fit on the Sub Date and it did

Thank goodness for J Herbert Hall Jewelers in Westminster Mall, Huntington Beach, CA (now defunct, prolly cause they gave away too many SEL straps ! )

sea-dweller · 9 February 2010, 07:55 AM

It is could be "new, old stock". Entirely possible.

kgglonghorn · 9 February 2010, 07:58 AM

Keep in mind that some grey market guys clean up the watches and sell them "As new" I have seen "unworn" watches from some of these guys before that have clearly been worn. Wither way, a good deal is still a good deal. Good luck.

Jason71 · 9 February 2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Petesakes, I thought all this time you had three Jason !

X 2

I do have 3

Two A-serials. It is just that number 3 is an M-serial

imono · 9 February 2010, 08:49 AM

If it has box and papers (blank warranty) with matching numbers it would be a great find.

STEELINOX · 9 February 2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jclevoy

I do have 3

Two A-serials. It is just that number 3 is an M-serial

nauticajoe · 9 February 2010, 10:01 AM

After further speaking to the dealer, I was informed the watch has the box & papers in tact, but no stickers on the watch. Would you still classify that as 'new'? When I think of the word, I would expect box/papers/tags/stickers are all in tact, similar to purchasing from an AD, correct? Am I asking for too much??

STEELINOX · 9 February 2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by nauticajoe

After further speaking to the dealer, I was informed the watch has the box & papers in tact, but no stickers on the watch. Would you still classify that as 'new'? When I think of the word, I would expect box/papers/tags/stickers are all in tact, similar to purchasing from an AD, correct? Am I asking for too much??

If the stickers are off then clearly it has been worn and there will be evidence of wearing and shuld not sell as new ...

Jason71 · 9 February 2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nauticajoe

After further speaking to the dealer, I was informed the watch has the box & papers in tact, but no stickers on the watch. Would you still classify that as 'new'? When I think of the word, I would expect box/papers/tags/stickers are all in tact, similar to purchasing from an AD, correct? Am I asking for too much??

Sounds as if he is pulling your leg a bit to make the sale. I would still be interested, but DEFINITELY not at new price. You should be able to buy an A-serial that is pre-owned for less than $4,000

STEELINOX · 9 February 2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jclevoy

Sounds as if he is pulling your leg a bit to make the sale. I would still be interested, but DEFINITELY not at new price. You should be able to buy an A-serial that is pre-owned for less than $4,000

I agree, it shuld be between 35 and 4 and thats minty complete...

Its not rocket science, if the stickers are ALL gone then its not a NEW piece...

Earl Camembert · 9 February 2010, 10:38 AM

If he said he had no papers I would believe but no sticker no way.

nauticajoe · 9 February 2010, 11:14 AM

Thanks guys! I told him 'no sale' on this piece. He needs to find me one with box/papers/tags/stickers. Since they like to brag that they've got a network of dealers working for them, I will need to exercise that!

nauticajoe · 13 February 2010, 12:07 AM

They claim its new/old stock; keeping in mind this is coming from a grey dealer.

9 February 2010, 05:18 AM	#1
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	A new SD (A series)? Guys, need your help. I've got a grey dealer informing me they have a new '98 SD. Can this be true? I've heard of 'pre-owned' but not new.

9 February 2010, 05:27 AM	#4
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	It can happen, it could be New Old Stock, NOS. Sometime dealers/collectors buy a piece and do not wear it and I have heard of AD's finding pieces in the back of the safe. It the seller is trustworthy, I would jump on it. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

9 February 2010, 06:06 AM	#6
STEELINOX 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Sink-O! Location: a praire in AZ Watch: ROLEX-less atm... Posts: 14,020	Pretty sure the A has SEL. And I would jump on it if it is indeed what they say it is, "NOS". __________________ *Positive Waves Baby* Lug Hole Loyalist / Chamfer Line Inspector INFORTHE WIN SUB-MAH-REEEN-ER ~ !

9 February 2010, 06:19 AM	#8
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	A-serial is SEL. I have 2 of them and would HIGHLY recommend it over one of the newer models because it has drilled lugs. It has SuperLuminova and should glow like a champ. Decent chance that it is "like-new", but like what was said.........there is a slim chance it is NOS. __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

9 February 2010, 07:55 AM	#12
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	It is could be "new, old stock". Entirely possible. __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

9 February 2010, 05:21 AM	#2
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	Go look at it and see. I guess it's possible!

9 February 2010, 05:24 AM	#3
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	I can't. This dealer is from CA.

9 February 2010, 06:09 AM	#7
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	Can you get pics from him?

9 February 2010, 07:58 AM	#13
kgglonghorn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Posts: 375	Keep in mind that some grey market guys clean up the watches and sell them "As new" I have seen "unworn" watches from some of these guys before that have clearly been worn. Wither way, a good deal is still a good deal. Good luck.

9 February 2010, 08:49 AM	#15
imono "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,241	If it has box and papers (blank warranty) with matching numbers it would be a great find.

9 February 2010, 10:01 AM	#17
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	After further speaking to the dealer, I was informed the watch has the box & papers in tact, but no stickers on the watch. Would you still classify that as 'new'? When I think of the word, I would expect box/papers/tags/stickers are all in tact, similar to purchasing from an AD, correct? Am I asking for too much??

9 February 2010, 10:38 AM	#21
Earl Camembert Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,858	If he said he had no papers I would believe but no sticker no way.

9 February 2010, 11:14 AM	#22
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	Thanks guys! I told him 'no sale' on this piece. He needs to find me one with box/papers/tags/stickers. Since they like to brag that they've got a network of dealers working for them, I will need to exercise that!

13 February 2010, 12:07 AM	#23
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	They claim its new/old stock; keeping in mind this is coming from a grey dealer.

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