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Art 1 · 28 February 2010, 09:13 AM

PETA is outside of Sea World protesting. They all look to be unemployed people in the late teens and twenties, dressed poorly and look homeless. I have seen them protesting at the circus, zoo and at other similar events. They all look the same, young and out of work. I have heard of protesting groups going to the local labor pools to hire protesters for the day.

Idle Swede · 28 February 2010, 09:14 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they classified as terrorists a while back?

Ashley · 28 February 2010, 09:20 AM

If there were PETA demonstrations here, I would join most of them.

rustedmetal · 28 February 2010, 12:53 PM

Whale sushi anyone?

Andad · 28 February 2010, 12:58 PM

Andad · 28 February 2010, 12:59 PM

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Whale sushi anyone?

rustedmetal · 28 February 2010, 01:03 PM

I was kidding......then I just googled it. It's on the up and up.

I think I'll stick with Salmon and California Rolls

Ashley · 28 February 2010, 01:04 PM

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X2.

Not funny, even in jest.

ParisDakarBmw · 28 February 2010, 01:04 PM

What are they protesting? The animal killed the person, not the other way around...

figbo · 28 February 2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

What are they protesting? The animal killed the person, not the other way around...

More than once!

Ashley · 28 February 2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

What are they protesting? The animal killed the person, not the other way around...

Probably having wild animals caged in captivity, kept in tanks that are a minute amount of the actual space a whale swims in its life. And how places like these capture these wild animals while they are young, so they grow up in captivity and cannot be returned to the ocean, because they do not learn to hunt, or any of the other normal things whales do in the wild.

ParisDakarBmw · 28 February 2010, 01:09 PM

They can't exactly tur it loose back into the ocean. That thing has a taste for humans! I'd chock it up as a bad situation, and quit using the thing in a childrens entertainment park. God knows what could happen in front of a full audience of children. I'm just glad the show was over before that happened.

figbo · 28 February 2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

They can't exactly tur it loose back into the ocean. That thing has a taste for humans! I'd chock it up as a bad situation, and quit using the thing in a childrens entertainment park. God knows what could happen in front of a full audience of children. I'm just glad the show was over before that happened.

I don't think he ever get to snack on humans yet,all I know he has killed before!

ParisDakarBmw · 28 February 2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley

Probably having wild animals caged in captivity, kept in tanks that are a minute amount of the actual space a whale swims in its life. And how places like these capture these wild animals while they are young, so they grow up in captivity and cannot be returned to the ocean, because they do not learn to hunt, or any of the other normal things whales do in the wild.

I love animals too. Don't get me wrong, but I think educating people in a zoo environment is fine. As long as they have vets, and cozy quarters, the breeding programs provide plenty of scientific research to help wild populations.

I don't like the idea of making wild animals do tricks for snacks, or sit in a little cages at traveling carnivals. Times have changed a bit. I think PITA may take things a little far. I respect everyone's views. I'm just explaining my thoughts.

Ashley · 28 February 2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

I love animals too. Don't get me wrong, but I think educating people in a zoo environment is fine. As long as they have vets, and cozy quarters, the breeding programs provide plenty of scientific research to help wild populations.

I don't like the idea of making wild animals do tricks for snacks, or sit in a little cages at traveling carnivals. Times have changed a bit. I think PITA may take things a little far. I respect everyone's views. I'm just explaining my thoughts.

I agree with breeding programs and scientific research too. However, I think that it is really rare that people actually get REAL education on the animals and their natural behaviours.

I think this is where I will take my leave, as this is a really hot-button topic with me and it will not bode well for my points level.

Art 1 · 28 February 2010, 02:31 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they classified as terrorists a while back?

Never heard but would not be surprised. Now Greenpeace is another story. I've seen video of them, they look like a bunch of kooks and should be classified as terrorists. They looked like a bunch of pirates highjacking ships and disrupting their work.

ParisDakarBmw · 28 February 2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley

I agree with breeding programs and scientific research too. However, I think that it is really rare that people actually get REAL education on the animals and their natural behaviours.

I think this is where I will take my leave, as this is a really hot-button topic with me and it will not bode well for my points level.

Good conversation Ashley. You have some interesting points. I'm going to step out too.

Safetrends · 28 February 2010, 02:36 PM

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Art 1 · 28 February 2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rustedmetal

I was kidding......then I just googled it. It's on the up and up.

I think I'll stick with Salmon and California Rolls

The Japanese eat whale sushi. It doesn't look very appetizing.

keschete · 28 February 2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

What are they protesting? The animal killed the person, not the other way around...

I do not agree with PETA tactics....but I can tell you why the animal activists are mad.....

We are all upset because Tillikum was TAKEN from his ocean home and his pod at age two years old. He was captured and forced to live in a man made enclosure.

Two female whales actually harrassed him after his capture. He and two other whales were obviously so frustrated at being in captivity that they killed a female trainer that fell in their enclosure.

He was then sold to Seaworld, who has used him as a "breeder" animal for decades. The man who was found dead in his tank in 1999 was someone who got past park security and got in the tank with Tillikum.

He was not supposed to have trainers in the water with him. The female trainer he was with, was actually laying on the ledge in the water when he grabed her pony tail. He killed her, because that is what 30 year old bull Orcas do.

The are predators just like big cats, bears and wolves. He was doing exactly what would be expected of an animal who has been locked in an enclosure that would be comparable to you being locked in your shower.

We as humans are so arrogant to believe that we are doing these creatures a favor to keep them in captivity.

What we as a society have done to Tillikum, would be a criminal act if it was done to a human....and people wonder why he kills......

Sorry, not directed at you specifically, just a general rant....and I hate the news and the publicity making him sound like a "Killer" whale. He is an Orca and he is probably as intelligent as many humans.....and he should have never been taken from the wild.

It is now illegal in many countries to capture or purchase wild caught whales and dolphins.....they are sentient beings.

Hope this has enlightened those who don't understand the angst of most animal groups with their anger towards Seaworld.

2005rivers · 28 February 2010, 04:41 PM

Yes, they are interns. I used to voluenteer at a boxer rescue and there was a young person who also volunteered there who was with peta, she was paid to hand out papers on the street. Talk about an organization that has lost it's cause

Ashley · 28 February 2010, 04:45 PM

Just to add to Kaya's note quickly, that as terrible as Seaworld is in situations like this, it is so much worse out in Japan and China.

Ugh.

Gaijin · 28 February 2010, 09:04 PM

Totally agree on the Seaworld thoughts. Shame on them.

rainman_16 · 1 March 2010, 01:51 AM

This is an example of the mutually respectful relationship I'd love to see all humans have with animals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvCjyWp3rEk

figbo · 1 March 2010, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rainman_16

This is an example of the mutually respectful relationship I'd love to see all humans have with animals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvCjyWp3rEk

Wow Alec,thanks for sharing!Outstanding!

Taffi Abernathy · 1 March 2010, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by keschete

I do not agree with PETA tactics....but I can tell you why the animal activists are mad.....

We are all upset because Tillikum was TAKEN from his ocean home and his pod at age two years old. He was captured and forced to live in a man made enclosure.

Two female whales actually harrassed him after his capture. He and two other whales were obviously so frustrated at being in captivity that they killed a female trainer that fell in their enclosure.

He was then sold to Seaworld, who has used him as a "breeder" animal for decades. The man who was found dead in his tank in 1999 was someone who got past park security and got in the tank with Tillikum.

He was not supposed to have trainers in the water with him. The female trainer he was with, was actually laying on the ledge in the water when he grabed her pony tail. He killed her, because that is what 30 year old bull Orcas do.

The are predators just like big cats, bears and wolves. He was doing exactly what would be expected of an animal who has been locked in an enclosure that would be comparable to you being locked in your shower.

We as humans are so arrogant to believe that we are doing these creatures a favor to keep them in captivity.

What we as a society have done to Tillikum, would be a criminal act if it was done to a human....and people wonder why he kills......

Sorry, not directed at you specifically, just a general rant....and I hate the news and the publicity making him sound like a "Killer" whale. He is an Orca and he is probably as intelligent as many humans.....and he should have never been taken from the wild.

It is now illegal in many countries to capture or purchase wild caught whales and dolphins.....they are sentient beings.

Hope this has enlightened those who don't understand the angst of most animal groups with their anger towards Seaworld.

Kaya,

As usual, your keen sensibilities have hit the nail on the head. I couldn't have phrased things better myself. Faith

keschete · 1 March 2010, 02:17 PM

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Kaya,

As usual, your keen sensibilities have hit the nail on the head. I couldn't have phrased things better myself. Faith

Thanks Faith, I did wildlife rehabilitation for about 10 years. I had to stop because of graduate school. But I learned that wild animals need to be wild animals....especially predators. I raised a litter of mink and several raccoons (many other critters besides those) All were returned to the wild. It never felt right to keep them :) People have to be reminded we aren't God!

Taffi Abernathy · 1 March 2010, 02:53 PM

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:) People have to be reminded we aren't God!

Well, with one important exception . . .

Safetrends · 1 March 2010, 03:01 PM

I saw some protests going on regarding JJ:

Taffi Abernathy · 1 March 2010, 03:04 PM

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I saw some protests going on regarding JJ:

And what was the basis for this protest?

28 February 2010, 09:13 AM	#1
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	Does PETA hire temps to do their protesting? PETA is outside of Sea World protesting. They all look to be unemployed people in the late teens and twenties, dressed poorly and look homeless. I have seen them protesting at the circus, zoo and at other similar events. They all look the same, young and out of work. I have heard of protesting groups going to the local labor pools to hire protesters for the day.

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Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they classified as terrorists a while back?

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rustedmetal "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Matthew Location: Mn Watch: 16234 16600 Posts: 512	I was kidding......then I just googled it. It's on the up and up. I think I'll stick with Salmon and California Rolls

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ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	What are they protesting? The animal killed the person, not the other way around...

28 February 2010, 01:09 PM	#12
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	They can't exactly tur it loose back into the ocean. That thing has a taste for humans! I'd chock it up as a bad situation, and quit using the thing in a childrens entertainment park. God knows what could happen in front of a full audience of children. I'm just glad the show was over before that happened.

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2005rivers Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: texas Watch: GMT Master IIc Posts: 545	Yes, they are interns. I used to voluenteer at a boxer rescue and there was a young person who also volunteered there who was with peta, she was paid to hand out papers on the street. Talk about an organization that has lost it's cause

28 February 2010, 04:45 PM	#22
Ashley "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Ashley Location: Calgary Posts: 6,967	Just to add to Kaya's note quickly, that as terrible as Seaworld is in situations like this, it is so much worse out in Japan and China. Ugh.

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