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gmh1013 · 6 July 2010, 06:54 AM

And I really dont care but it is a good economic barometer....
my brother went to the famous Houston Galleria the past week-end and said it looks real run down compaired to the last time he was in it 20 years ago and even has a payless shoes....20 years back I dont think they would have let that kind of store in any upscale shopping mall....today its the norm....welcome to the new economy...whats next Rolex off the rack style stores in the Mills malls.

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gmh1013

And I really dont care but it is a good economic barometer....
my brother went to the famous Houston Galleria the past week-end and said it looks real run down compaired to the last time he was in it 20 years ago and even has a payless shoes....20 years back I dont think they would have let that kind of store in any upscale shopping mall....today its the norm....welcome to the new economy...whats next Rolex off the rack style stores in the Mills malls.

Yes, the Galleria has definitely changed, and not for the better.

There are still some high-end stores there, but most are not.

The only reason I ever go there any more is they have a nice pen store and Nordstrom's is right behind it.

Safetrends · 6 July 2010, 07:19 AM

In San Diego the major malls are still looking real good.

Plaza Bonita in National City still looks like a dump before this depression and it will not change.

We have a newer mall at the Mexico border crossing and I a really taken back how good it still looks when you see the surrounding area you would think it would have been destroyed by now.

I do see a lot of empty homes and business in San Diego county when I am driving, now that is bad.

TheDude · 6 July 2010, 08:26 AM

Urban planners have known for a long time that traditional malls are dead.

The new model is the "town center" model that has outdoor streets, a location where small events can be held, etc...

In some cases, old malls are being turned "inside out", exposing the storefronts to the exterior in order to mimick this kind of atmosphere.

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDude

Urban planners have known for a long time that traditional malls are dead.

The new model is the "town center" model that has outdoor streets, a location where small events can be held, etc...

In some cases, old malls are being turned "inside out", exposing the storefronts to the exterior in order to mimick this kind of atmosphere.

I have seen just that in the 'burbs where I live. That's exactly what they've done here and it is thriving.

kcmo · 6 July 2010, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gmh1013

And I really dont care but it is a good economic barometer....
my brother went to the famous Houston Galleria the past week-end and said it looks real run down compaired to the last time he was in it 20 years ago and even has a payless shoes....20 years back I dont think they would have let that kind of store in any upscale shopping mall....today its the norm....welcome to the new economy...whats next Rolex off the rack style stores in the Mills malls.

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Originally Posted by 777

Yes, the Galleria has definitely changed, and not for the better.

There are still some high-end stores there, but most are not.

The only reason I ever go there any more is they have a nice pen store and Nordstrom's is right behind it.

Wow, I beg to differ. I am at the Galleria at least once a week and still think it is a fantastic mall with tons of high end stores

Run down? In what way? I have not seen a Payless Shoes store there....where is it located???

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kcmo

Wow, I beg to differ. I am at the Galleria at least once a week and still think it is a fantastic mall with tons of high end stores

Run down? In what way? I have not seen a Payless Shoes store there....where is it located???

It's in the Galleria II section. http://www.payless.com/store/search/storelocator.jsp#

Idle Swede · 6 July 2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kcmo

Wow, I beg to differ. I am at the Galleria at least once a week and still think it is a fantastic mall with tons of high end stores

Run down? In what way? I have not seen a Payless Shoes store there....where is it located???

A woman who has missed a store in a mall

What is this world coming to?

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

A woman who has missed a store in a mall

What is this world coming to?

I'll wager $$$ she doesn't frequent Pay-less.

kcmo · 6 July 2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 777

It's in the Galleria II section. http://www.payless.com/store/search/storelocator.jsp#

Thanks....wow, that's surprising. Guess I spend more time in the other sections...

gmh1013 · 6 July 2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kcmo

Wow, I beg to differ. I am at the Galleria at least once a week and still think it is a fantastic mall with tons of high end stores

Run down? In what way? I have not seen a Payless Shoes store there....where is it located???

I went there in 1991 and it looked pretty nice with lots of high end stores etc...when I was there in 2008 it was showing its age....I think it 40+years old
I only went in once we we lived in Houston....malls are not my thing and to me avoided at all cost IMHO....my wife thinks they are the greatest thing in the world though and spends hours in Scottsdale Fashion Plaza and my check book suffers.....Between SFP and Houston Galleria I would choose Scottsdale....not that Im a mall expert though.

http://www.simon.com/mall/tenantdeta...id=61641&let=p

kcmo · 6 July 2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

A woman who has missed a store in a mall

What is this world coming to?

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Originally Posted by 777

I'll wager $$$ she doesn't frequent Pay-less.

You're right about that!!!!

Now I don't feel so bad for not noticing it!

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 08:44 AM

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Thanks....wow, that's surprising. Guess I spend more time in the other sections...

Galleria III has been pretty much a ghost town since Sharper Image is gone and Nordstrom's opened up... (not that it was ever really crowded!)

It has flea-market type stores in it now.

Idle Swede · 6 July 2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kcmo

Thanks....wow, that's surprising. Guess I spend more time in the other sections...

Do they have an AD, in that case I understand.

kcmo · 6 July 2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gmh1013

I went there in 1991 and it looked pretty nice with lots of high end stores etc...when I was there in 2008 it was showing its age....I think it 40+years old
I only went in once we we lived in Houston....malls are not my thing and to me avoided at all cost IMHO....my wife thinks they are the greatest thing in the world though and spends hours in Scottsdale Fashion Plaza and my check book suffers.....Between SFP and Houston Galleria I would choose Scottsdale....not that Im a mall expert though.

http://www.simon.com/mall/tenantdeta...id=61641&let=p

Admittedly, I do spend a lot of time there....and there are certainly some stores that IMO shouldn't be tenants there, but what can you do?

I'm actually amazed that some of those tenants can afford the rent there. It's not cheap!

Mike B · 6 July 2010, 08:47 AM

Yes, the same thing is happening to my local mall (in Manchester, CT).

It's FAR from run down (they did a MAJOR re-model of the entire mall like 4-5 years ago, including "upscaling the image", putting in more high class restaurants, shops, etc.).

Needless to say, that didn't work out too well. Half of those restaurants ended up closing due to (can anyone guess . . . lol) lack of business.
Back when I was in high school (8 years ago or so now) that mall was BOOMING EVRY night, especially on the weekends. Now, the place is dead on most nights, and the week-ends it's doing mediocre business.
Usually during Christmas, the overflow parking is full, and people have to park across the street to get to the mall. For the past three years or so, the overflow parking lot hasn't even been used once during Christmas.

Just a change in both the times, and most importantly, the economy.

kcmo · 6 July 2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 777

Galleria III has been pretty much a ghost town since Sharper Image is gone and Nordstrom's opened up... (not that it was ever really crowded!)

It has flea-market type stores in it now.

Yup, I never go into those sections! Sad really.

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

Do they have an AD, in that case I understand.

THREE!!!!!

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Idle Swede

Do they have an AD, in that case I understand.

Yea, BB&B went out of business... Tourneau is still there.

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kcmo

Yup, I never go into those sections! Sad really.

THREE!!!!!

I MISS SHARPER IMAGE!!!

Who was the 3rd? I knew of two.

Do tell!

gmh1013 · 6 July 2010, 08:52 AM

I think Simon Properties is to blame for letting in stores like Payless

Mike B · 6 July 2010, 08:54 AM

Yes, my father LOVED Sharper Image as well. We used to get thier (I think it was) monthly magazines. I loved looking through them :)

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kcmo

Admittedly, I do spend a lot of time there....and there are certainly some stores that IMO shouldn't be tenants there, but what can you do?

I'm actually amazed that some of those tenants can afford the rent there. It's not cheap!

Totally agree. And the stuff they are selling can't possibly pay it... I bet they get a break while the owner waits for potential better times... if there are a lot of empty spots, I'd think it's worse for the mall.

gmh1013 · 6 July 2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 777

Yea, BB&B went out of business... Tourneau is still there.

How in the hell they stay in biz Ill never know...Thats what I went to the Houston Galleria for and was the worse for it.
Man they SUCK

kcmo · 6 July 2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 777

I MISS SHARPER IMAGE!!!

Who was the 3rd? I knew of two.

Do tell!

Woops, sorry, it's actually just TWO for Rolex AD's....Ben Bridge and Tourneau

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Originally Posted by gmh1013

I think Simon Properties is to blame for letting in stores like Payless

Totally agree!

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Originally Posted by 777

Totally agree. And the stuff they are selling can't possibly pay it... I bet they get a break while the owner wait for potential better times... if there are a lot of empty spots, I'd think it's worse for the mall.

Yup, it's puzzling.

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by gmh1013

How in the hell they stay in biz Ill never know...Thats what I went to the Houston Galleria for and was the worse for it.
Man they SUCK

I could not agree more. The help (three of them) were fawning over some apparently rich guy and his escort (perhaps 1/3 his age).

I could not get the time of day from them.

BarkMaster · 6 July 2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kcmo

Woops, sorry, it's actually just TWO for Rolex AD's....Ben Bridge and Tourneau

OHHHH - Ben Bridge!

Bailey, Banks & Biddle would have been the 3rd you are thinking of then.

gmh1013 · 6 July 2010, 09:10 AM

I like the the town center Idea 10x more than any mall....I prefer Tempe Town Center to any of the malls in AZ
MY wife not so much....the heat gets her....im an Arizonian I LIKE IT HOT give me 110 degrees ( and 3 percent humidity) over 40 anyday.

gmh1013 · 6 July 2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 777

I could not agree more. The help (three of them) were fawning over some apparently rich guy and his escort (perhaps 1/3 his age).

I could not get the time of day from them.

When I was in Houston I went to Willowbrook mall which was close to our house and The BB there was going to give me 10 percent off a GMT which was unheard of at the time....should call the guy back (still have his card) and see if he would do 15/20 now that the economy is worse than in 2008....plus no tax now that im back home in AZ

I thought is was strange in Houston everybody asked what mall are you close to .....or go to?

kcmo · 6 July 2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 777

OHHHH - Ben Bridge!

Bailey, Banks & Biddle would have been the 3rd you are thinking of then.

Actually BBB wasn't a Rolex AD. They had a bunch of other brands though....Cartier, Breitling, Omega, Tag Heuer, etc.

kcmo · 6 July 2010, 09:21 AM

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I like the the town center Idea 10x more than any mall....I prefer Tempe Town Center to any of the malls in AZ
MY wife not so much....the heat gets her....im an Arizonian I LIKE IT HOT give me 110 degrees ( and 3 percent humidity) over 40 anyday.

I also like the town center idea, but geez, half the reason that folks go to the mall here is to escape the heat!

6 July 2010, 06:54 AM	#1
gmh1013 Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: greg Location: Tempe AZ Watch: GMT Posts: 5,702	The Malls are dying And I really dont care but it is a good economic barometer.... my brother went to the famous Houston Galleria the past week-end and said it looks real run down compaired to the last time he was in it 20 years ago and even has a payless shoes....20 years back I dont think they would have let that kind of store in any upscale shopping mall....today its the norm....welcome to the new economy...whats next Rolex off the rack style stores in the Mills malls.

6 July 2010, 07:19 AM	#3
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	In San Diego the major malls are still looking real good. Plaza Bonita in National City still looks like a dump before this depression and it will not change. We have a newer mall at the Mexico border crossing and I a really taken back how good it still looks when you see the surrounding area you would think it would have been destroyed by now. I do see a lot of empty homes and business in San Diego county when I am driving, now that is bad.

6 July 2010, 08:26 AM	#4
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,492	Urban planners have known for a long time that traditional malls are dead. The new model is the "town center" model that has outdoor streets, a location where small events can be held, etc... In some cases, old malls are being turned "inside out", exposing the storefronts to the exterior in order to mimick this kind of atmosphere.

6 July 2010, 08:47 AM	#16
Mike B "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Gilbert, AZ Watch: DSSD, Omega SMP Posts: 3,055	Yes, the same thing is happening to my local mall (in Manchester, CT). It's FAR from run down (they did a MAJOR re-model of the entire mall like 4-5 years ago, including "upscaling the image", putting in more high class restaurants, shops, etc.). Needless to say, that didn't work out too well. Half of those restaurants ended up closing due to (can anyone guess . . . lol) lack of business. Back when I was in high school (8 years ago or so now) that mall was BOOMING EVRY night, especially on the weekends. Now, the place is dead on most nights, and the week-ends it's doing mediocre business. Usually during Christmas, the overflow parking is full, and people have to park across the street to get to the mall. For the past three years or so, the overflow parking lot hasn't even been used once during Christmas. Just a change in both the times, and most importantly, the economy.

6 July 2010, 08:52 AM	#20
gmh1013 Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: greg Location: Tempe AZ Watch: GMT Posts: 5,702	I think Simon Properties is to blame for letting in stores like Payless

6 July 2010, 08:54 AM	#21
Mike B "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Gilbert, AZ Watch: DSSD, Omega SMP Posts: 3,055	Yes, my father LOVED Sharper Image as well. We used to get thier (I think it was) monthly magazines. I loved looking through them :)

6 July 2010, 09:10 AM	#27
gmh1013 Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: greg Location: Tempe AZ Watch: GMT Posts: 5,702	I like the the town center Idea 10x more than any mall....I prefer Tempe Town Center to any of the malls in AZ MY wife not so much....the heat gets her....im an Arizonian I LIKE IT HOT give me 110 degrees ( and 3 percent humidity) over 40 anyday.

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