GMT 16700 with black insert??

[ohmsworld]

You know i'm really getting desperate for a well price GMT when i start considering watches with no wristbands!

see:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

There are 2 things that seem wrong to me.
1) It's a 16700 with a black insert. according to gmtmasterhistory this watch only came in Pepsi. http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-...ref_16700.html

2) The watch is listed as an A series but also listed as year 2000 watch. A series was 1998 no?

The seller looks reputable.
What do you think?

[TimeToGo]

Welcome to the forum!

You are correct about the 16700 only sold with the Pepsi insert. There are many inserts in the market that can be fitted to the GMT model.

The timeline for the 16700 also ended at the end of 1999. It is unknown why the seller refers to this particular model been for the year 2000, but some references on the net vary by a year or so.

This particular seller has a proven track record on Ebay.

Keep doing your homework, you are doing very well!

Also look at our For Sale section. There are some great buys in there from our very own reputable fellow members.

[ohmsworld]

Thanks for the response. Really appreciate it. You think it's genuine then? albeit modified? I'll ask the seller too.

I check the for sale section on this forum every day!
Thing is as soon as a good deal comes up it is snapped up immediately. It's like the messages come it 2s: For sale and then a minute later, SOLD! Thanks TRF!

Oh well....

[TimeToGo]

I do not see any indication questioning the authenticity of the piece. It is a very clean watch. Please note this watch does NOT bring the bracelet.

Regarding our FS section. The sellers normally will post their listings and "bump" them once they sell and add a second thread showing it is sold.

Another way to get ahead of your search, there is also a "Want To Buy" section that you can have members provide with availability of your particular need.

[mike]

As TTG stated, inserts can switched around easily (just get the modern version).

The serial number would be a better indicator of the age of the watch. There's always crossover or perhaps 2000 was when the watch was purchased?

The black insert looks pretty cool to me.

[ohmsworld]

Thanks for the great advice. I'll try the want to buy section. Hopefully i don't get spammed by those Internet trawlers selling viagra!

[ohmsworld]

Looks like i can't post to the WTB unless i have 16 posts. There's got to be a better way to verify authenticity than just number of posts. Anyone can simple write 16 short messages in 10mins and pass the test.

A better way is perhaps making everyone pay a token fee via paypal the first time they want to post anything. Maybe $5 or even $1. Now you have their real details as well as a small donation to the website upkeep. If taking money makes the moderators/admin uneasy then they can always refund the money. either way you now have every newbie's details.

Just my $0.02

Now off to write a few jokes to get to number 16!

[springer]

I have a 16700, complete with all accessories and a one-owner watch. It has a black bezel insert.

I know a little about GMT's and have never read that info regarding 16700's only having pepsi bezel inserts. The only stainless steel GMT that came with a color specific bezel insert is the 16760, which came with the red/black bezel insert.

What say you Mike, have you ever seen any reliable documentation to indicate that 16700's came only with pepsi bezel inserts?

[mike]

Originally Posted by ohmsworld

Looks like i can't post to the WTB unless i have 16 posts. There's got to be a better way to verify authenticity than just number of posts. Anyone can simple write 16 short messages in 10mins and pass the test.

A better way is perhaps making everyone pay a token fee via paypal the first time they want to post anything. Maybe $5 or even $1. Now you have their real details as well as a small donation to the website upkeep. If taking money makes the moderators/admin uneasy then they can always refund the money. either way you now have every newbie's details.

Just my $0.02

Now off to write a few jokes to get to number 16!

Attitude is everything. A few jokes won't work if I decide to pull the AD.

[mike]

Originally Posted by springer

I have a 16700, complete with all accessories and a one-owner watch. It has a black bezel insert.

I know a little about GMT's and have never read that info regarding 16700's only having pepsi bezel inserts. The only stainless steel GMT that came with a color specific bezel insert is the 16760, which came with the red/black bezel insert.

What say you Mike, have you ever seen any reliable documentation to indicate that 16700's came only with pepsi bezel inserts?

John,

Tomvox did a detailed report on the latter GMTs and in that article he states the 16700 was only offered with the RED/BLUE.

http://www.doubleredseadweller.com/gmt_transition.htm

I know that did some extensive research on the subject and consulted with some real experts on the GMTs.

[JPersat]

A very good friend of mine bought his 16700 brand new from the AD with the black bezel.

[mike]

Originally Posted by JPersat

A very good friend of mine bought his 16700 brand new from the AD with the black bezel.

Thanks for that.

The 16760 is the only reference I'm secure in saying one type insert. As Tom stated in his article it could have been in an effort to give each reference their own identity, but perhaps ADs changed them for the customer at the time of purchase?

[springer]

I did some minor research since my last post.

The web site, reporting GMT 16700's only came with red/blue bezel inserts, like many web sites on the internet, is incorrect!

16700's came with black bezel inserts, and from the original ones I've seen, most came that way from Rolex. I've never read anything before indicating one specific color insert for 16700's.

If you open a GMT owner's manual that depicts both the GMT and GMT II, the GMT 16700 clearly wears a black bezel insert. The GMT II, 16710, wears a red/blue insert. Also, "A" series serial numbers are from late 1998 and sold way into 2000, so calling it a 2000 "A" series would not be unusual at all.

Another bit of erroneous info posted on the internet as gospel. Makes you wonder where this comes from. I was surprised to see this same info on doubleredseadweller. I've talked with Tom in the past and even sold him some GMT items and was surprised this incorrect bezel insert informaton is posted there.

The 16700 posted here appears genuine, has the correct black, bezel insert and is dated correctly for that circa watch.

[RRGHOST1]

I bought my 16710 in March and although it was not bought at a Rolex AD it was bought with all the stickers on even though it is a 2004 F but was as BNIB as you could get. This had a black bezel on it, so seeing as i wanted a Pepsi,they changed it for no charge. When i got home i studied the green oblong tag and it said it said it was ORIGINALY a 16710 BL/RO. I was told that it was probably an order from the customer who wanted a black bezel so Rolex at Bexley(HQ) just put it on and left the tag as it was. So the 16700 could have been bought with a black bezel.

[TimeToGo]

Originally Posted by springer

I have a 16700, complete with all accessories and a one-owner watch. It has a black bezel insert.

I know a little about GMT's and have never read that info regarding 16700's only having pepsi bezel inserts. The only stainless steel GMT that came with a color specific bezel insert is the 16760, which came with the red/black bezel insert.

What say you Mike, have you ever seen any reliable documentation to indicate that 16700's came only with pepsi bezel inserts?

You know a little about GMTs!?

You are the MASTER - GMT MASTER that is!

[mike]

Originally Posted by springer

I did some minor research since my last post.

The web site, reporting GMT 16700's only came with red/blue bezel inserts, like many web sites on the internet, is incorrect!

16700's came with black bezel inserts, and from the original ones I've seen, most came that way from Rolex. I've never read anything before indicating one specific color insert for 16700's.

If you open a GMT owner's manual that depicts both the GMT and GMT II, the GMT 16700 clearly wears a black bezel insert. The GMT II, 16710, wears a red/blue insert. Also, "A" series serial numbers are from late 1998 and sold way into 2000, so calling it a 2000 "A" series would not be unusual at all.

Another bit of erroneous info posted on the internet as gospel. Makes you wonder where this comes from. I was surprised to see this same info on doubleredseadweller. I've talked with Tom in the past and even sold him some GMT items and was surprised this incorrect bezel insert informaton is posted there.

The 16700 posted here appears genuine, has the correct black, bezel insert and is dated correctly for that circa watch.

Thanks John.

That's the beauty of this hobby. The learning never stops.

[mike]

You know,..given the discussion and John's research I moved this to the Rolex section. Some might not see this in "watch out" and the information could be usefull to some.

[SLS]

Originally Posted by mike

Thanks John.

That's the beauty of this hobby. The learning never stops.

I had just read this thread over there and was thinking the same thing. I also want to say that I have all three inserts still in Rolex packaging that state they are for the 16700...I will double check this once I get home.
Scott

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by ohmsworld

Looks like i can't post to the WTB unless i have 16 posts. There's got to be a better way to verify authenticity than just number of posts. Anyone can simple write 16 short messages in 10mins and pass the test.

A better way is perhaps making everyone pay a token fee via paypal the first time they want to post anything. Maybe $5 or even $1. Now you have their real details as well as a small donation to the website upkeep. If taking money makes the moderators/admin uneasy then they can always refund the money. either way you now have every newbie's details.

Just my $0.02

Now off to write a few jokes to get to number 16!

16 day's is also needed and a sharp eye is always kept on members with less than 2 months membership!

[sakuraba]

Put "GMT" on a thread title and you can bet John and Mike are gonna be on it!

Thanks for the clarification regarding the bezel color availability, guys.

[Eric88]

My 1990 GMT Master 16700 was purchased with a nice fading Pepsi bezel. I have since acquired a black and Coke insert. I love the variety! Great watch...wears very comfortably on the wrist due to its thin profile.

[ohmsworld]

Originally Posted by sleddog1000

16 day's is also needed and a sharp eye is always kept on members with less than 2 months membership!

I couldn't come up with more than one joke which wasn't funny after i read it. So maybe 16 is a hard number to reach afterall!
This rule isn't entirely clear to me since I'm the one looking to spend money. Not like i'm selling anything.
But i respect community rules so i'll play by the rules.

Great info from all the pros even though it clearly shows i was miseducated[sic] by gmtmasterhistory, a site i thought had rock solid information.

How can spending so much money on a watch be this hard??

I can barely get any work done what with researching every GMT for sale and researching the seller!

It's like an addiction. I wonder if my preference for GMT "coke" has something to do with this.

Hope it gets better after i buy the watch. Seeing the number of hours Rolex owners spend on this site, i doubt it.

[springer]

Originally Posted by ohmsworld

I couldn't come up with more than one joke which wasn't funny after i read it. So maybe 16 is a hard number to reach afterall!
This rule isn't entirely clear to me since I'm the one looking to spend money. Not like i'm selling anything.
But i respect community rules so i'll play by the rules.

Great info from all the pros even though it clearly shows i was miseducated[sic] by gmtmasterhistory, a site i thought had rock solid information.

How can spending so much money on a watch be this hard??

I can barely get any work done what with researching every GMT for sale and researching the seller!

It's like an addiction. I wonder if my preference for GMT "coke" has something to do with this.

Hope it gets better after i buy the watch. Seeing the number of hours Rolex owners spend on this site, i doubt it.

Here's a guide for pricing. A nice GMT II 16710, complete as it came originally, to include warranty paper, runs $3800 to $4200. It is getting hard to find one complete for under $4,000. (The newer it is, the higher the price.) If you find one in the mid $3000 range, complete, from a reputable seller, it might be a good time to buy.

A 16710 GMT II, watch/bracelet only, pricing is around $3200-$3400.

The condition and servicing always enter into the equation too which could effect the price..

If you find what you are looking for, from a reputable buyer, and it is close to these prices, you're almost there my friend.

Every now and then, there are some "bargains" here on the forum. Most watches are priced below ebay and dealer prices here on TRF.

There is a gentleman here on the forum now listing a complete package 2005 GMT II for $4200. That is a great price. Why beat your brains out to save a couple hundred dollars elsewhere for a "find" that may never happen.

Good luck.

By the way, did you hear the one about the two guys that..........

[ohmsworld]

Originally Posted by springer

Here's a guide for pricing. A nice GMT II 16710, complete as it came originally, to include warranty paper, runs $3800 to $4200. It is getting hard to find one complete for under $4,000. (The newer it is, the higher the price.) If you find one in the mid $3000 range, complete, from a reputable seller, it might be a good time to buy.

That's the range i'm looking to pay

Originally Posted by springer

A 16710 GMT II, watch/bracelet only, pricing is around $3200-$3400.

Even better. I don't need box/papers. That will be my son's headache when he decides to sell his dad's watch

Originally Posted by springer

There is a gentleman here on the forum now listing a complete package 2005 GMT II for $4200.

I can't find this in the for sale section. Is it the one by faingator? That's price at $4575. Probably another $200 to replace the pepsi with coke.

Originally Posted by springer

Good luck.

Thanks for this. You're a true gentleman

[Flyjet601]

Is that a service replacement dial on that watch. SWISS vs SWISS T<25

Also I have never seen font of the GMT MASTER like that. Has anyone else?

And the WG around the hour markers seems kind of thick....especially the 12 o'clock triangle

As far as a Rolex manual depicting and 100% accurate information base(blue bezel/black bezel).....didn't we see a little while ago someone posted a pic of a Sub LV with a hollow end link in a Rolex catalogue?
I think the photos Rolex uses in the manuals/catalogues etc are cut and paste photos......The learning continues

[AndersB]

Originally Posted by mike

Tomvox did a detailed report on the latter GMTs and in that article he states the 16700 was only offered with the RED/BLUE.

Not sure I would say he "states the 16700 was onlye offered with" a Pepsi. He says it "appears that" it was only offered with that. He also adds that "certain changes to the insert could be made on customer request".

He might have edited the article lately though.

[Ozzie]

Originally Posted by Flyjet601

Is that a service replacement dial on that watch. SWISS vs SWISS T<25

Also I have never seen font of the GMT MASTER like that. Has anyone else?

And the WG around the hour markers seems kind of thick....especially the 12 o'clock triangle

As far as a Rolex manual depicting and 100% accurate information base(blue bezel/black bezel).....didn't we see a little while ago someone posted a pic of a Sub LV with a hollow end link in a Rolex catalogue?
I think the photos Rolex uses in the manuals/catalogues etc are cut and paste photos......The learning continues

No it's not a service replacement dial. Swiss was used on A serial watches, I've two A serials a 16610 and 16700 both Swiss on the dial. It was the transition to super luminova.

[Flyjet601]

Originally Posted by Ozzie

No it's not a service replacement dial. Swiss was used on A serial watches, I've two A serials a 16610 and 16700 both Swiss on the dial. It was the transition to super luminova.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Flyjet601

Is that a service replacement dial on that watch. SWISS vs SWISS T<25

Also I have never seen font of the GMT MASTER like that. Has anyone else?

And the WG around the hour markers seems kind of thick....especially the 12 o'clock triangle

As far as a Rolex manual depicting and 100% accurate information base(blue bezel/black bezel).....didn't we see a little while ago someone posted a pic of a Sub LV with a hollow end link in a Rolex catalogue?
I think the photos Rolex uses in the manuals/catalogues etc are cut and paste photos......The learning continues

The late 90's dial read SWISS, which is correct. The black bezel insert is correct also for a 16700. As far as Rolex contradicting themselves, correct again.

Suppositions by blogs and writers on the internet can also be found to be incorrect also. I've seen more misinformation on Rolex watches than any hobby that I've ever been involved with!

[Chris B]

A few yrs ago the technicians at RSC Bexley wouldn't fit a coke insert into my son's 16700 as they said that model was only the pepsi & black !!