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SLR · 19 October 2010, 01:57 AM

Hello everyone. Long time since i've been posting. A friend of mine showed me a rolex she purchased at a sale at a jeweler in Vegas. I asked her all the standard questions, i.e. are they an authorized dealer, did you get papers, etc. But unfortunately, she didn't papers and I believe they're not an AD. So can anyone here help me identify this watch?

I'm pretty good at identifying Daytona's but i have no idea about the other models. I've looked pretty carefully at the lugs, the crown, etc. But honestly, I'm not sure what I should be looking at. Any idea on model, date of manufacture, and authenticity? The bracelet is very light, but I know that some bracelets were made hollow. She paid close to $4k for it and I just don't want her to get taken for a ride...

I appreciate it and thanks in advance!

Noonan · 19 October 2010, 02:08 AM

The date magnification is off. Were you able to take off the bracelet to check the case for mode/serial number stampings?

moviefreak · 19 October 2010, 02:11 AM

And the coronet on the crown looks FAT... this is not looking very good I guess...
Some experts will come soon and tell if it is a fake or not...

SLR · 19 October 2010, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Noonan

The date magnification is off. Were you able to take off the bracelet to check the case for mode/serial number stampings?

I wasn't able to take the bracelet off. I've attached another pic that shows the date more centered on the cyclops. maybe it was the angle of the first photo. Or do you mean that the magnification factor is off?

thanks for responding.

SLR · 19 October 2010, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by moviefreak

And the coronet on the crown looks FAT... this is not looking very good I guess...
Some experts will come soon and tell if it is a fake or not...

Thanks for the feedback. You guys/girls are the experts and i appreciate the comments. I forgot to mention that the jeweler gave her a credit plan, meaning they're letting her pay it off monthly. This sort of makes me think they're a legitimate jeweler, but I could be wrong. Is she's able to prove it's not authentic, I'm sure they'd credit her. But unfortunately, I'm sorely lacking on the details of the seller.

padi56 · 19 October 2010, 02:39 AM

Picture of watch looks fine its from the 1980s early 1990s with what looks like a acrylic crystal

SLR · 19 October 2010, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Picture of watch looks fine its from the 1980s early 1990s with what looks like a acrylic crystal

Thanks Padi... What makes you say acrylic crystal? The reflections? Or the shape from the side?

I appreciate you dating it too. When I told her it may be over 15 years old, she seemed surprised. The bracelet has a lot of stretch in it. I'm thinking it's definitely not worth what she paid.

Siddhartha Roy · 19 October 2010, 02:58 AM

I am sure you will get the correct reply soon. You might have to wait till this forums answer to Telly Savalas ( who indeed is knows a lot about Rolex watches ) reads your post.

JJ Irani · 19 October 2010, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SLR

Thanks Padi... What makes you say acrylic crystal? The reflections? Or the shape from the side?

I appreciate you dating it too. When I told her it may be over 15 years old, she seemed surprised. The bracelet has a lot of stretch in it. I'm thinking it's definitely not worth what she paid.

My very first Rolex purchased in Oct. 1980 was somewhat similar.

This one looks like 16013, possibly with acrylic crystal and even possibly 14K gold. Have a look on the bracelet clasp and post a pic of that if you can. There should be a bracelet part no. and next to it either 14 or 18.

Yes, this is the older Jubilee bracelet with HOLLOW centre links, infamous for its stretch. Gotta be careful with these ones and have them checked out by an expert.

Cheers - JJ

SLR · 19 October 2010, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Siddhartha Roy

I am sure you will get the correct reply soon. You might have to wait till this forums answer to Telly Savalas ( who indeed is knows a lot about Rolex watches ) reads your post.

I assume you're talking about JJ? Been a long time since i've read this forum. But I thought he was more of an expert on the sport models. Also I remember Bo posting a lot on here too...

SLR · 19 October 2010, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

My very first Rolex purchased in Oct. 1980 was somewhat similar.

This one looks like 16013, possibly with acrylic crystal and even possibly 14K gold. Have a look on the bracelet clasp and post a pic of that if you can. There should be a bracelet part no. and next to it either 14 or 18.

Yes, this is the older Jubilee bracelet with HOLLOW centre links, infamous for its stretch. Gotta be careful with these ones and have them checked out by an expert.

Cheers - JJ

Thanks JJ! Appreciate it very much! The date you gave me is even older than I thought originally. I'll take a look at the bracelet part no tonight.

JJ Irani · 19 October 2010, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SLR

Thanks JJ! Appreciate it very much! The date you gave me is even older than I thought originally. I'll take a look at the bracelet part no tonight.

Well, one of the dead giveaways is the open-ended font of the no. 6 in the date.

All the later editions came with closed fonts on the 6 and 9.

JJ

Wolfgang427 · 19 October 2010, 03:15 AM

Watch is legit

however price paid is way beyond high retail for this watch(condition and age) even with a layaway plan.

If it were mine I would take it back for a refund if possible.

JJ Irani · 19 October 2010, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfgang427

Watch is legit

however price paid is way beyond high retail for this watch(condition and age) even with a layaway plan.

If it were mine I would take it back for a refund if possible.

Agreed! The price of "close to 4K" for a watch which could possibly be almost 30 years old is way over the top.

I also notice quite a few of the original links are missing. By my count, and from what I can see, there are 17 links all up. On this bracelet, the original count should be 22.

JJ

SLR · 19 October 2010, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfgang427

Watch is legit

however price paid is way beyond high retail for this watch(condition and age) even with a layaway plan.

If it were mine I would take it back for a refund if possible.

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Agreed! The price of "close to 4K" for a watch which could possibly be almost 30 years old is way over the top.

I also notice quite a few of the original links are missing. By my count, and from what I can see, there are 17 links all up. On this bracelet, the original count should be 22.

JJ

Uhhg. I don't know how to break the news to her. She's a total newbie at buying rolexes. Sort of the glass half full/empty scenario. "At least it's genuine...but you got taken to the cleaners." I'll see if she's able to return it. But somehow i doubt it. She paid $3800 for it

JJ - i knew there was a thread somewhere about the open-ended 6's. I dont know how you remember all these rolex details. Must be something about polishing that head of yours that seals in the memory!!

thanks a bunch!

DRAWTOOL · 19 October 2010, 03:49 AM

I think it's beautiful piece, dunno what anybody thinks it's worth, don't care. If she likes it then it's a good deal!

SLR · 19 October 2010, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DRAWTOOL

I think it's beautiful piece, dunno what anybody thinks it's worth, don't care. If she likes it then it's a good deal!

well, i know how that feels. i went gray for my daytona and I don't regret it. I think in this case though, it wasn't her first choice and she got duped into thinking she couldn't afford her first choice.

Tools · 19 October 2010, 04:12 AM

Tax in Vegas is about 9%, so if that was an out the door price, it probably isn't much different than most retailers..

SLR · 19 October 2010, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Tax in Vegas is about 9%, so if that was an out the door price, it probably isn't much different than most retailers..

Just did ebay searches for 16013's and buy-it-now prices are pretty consistently in the $2500-$2800range. BUT, no one seems to be biting. Which makes me think this is still too high. I'm guessing they're clearing at least $2K off her.

Interesting though what you say. I just found out they had a sale in madison ave in NYC and that's where she picked up the watch. So the jeweler is in Vegas, and they're probably able to discount all the tax b/c of this.

moviefreak · 19 October 2010, 04:43 AM

If she only asked for authentication and the watch comes out to be all genuine. then that it is fine. No need to tell her that she overpaid for the watch, that will only leave her with a bad memory of the watch.. after all no one forced her to buy it at that price, and as long as she is happy with the watch, that's all that matters.

Just tell her not to get close to Tourneau...

19 October 2010, 02:11 AM	#3
moviefreak "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in my house... Posts: 5,524	And the coronet on the crown looks FAT... this is not looking very good I guess... Some experts will come soon and tell if it is a fake or not... __________________ Cheers, Eduardo Be a WIS not a WUSS... and remove all the stickers..

19 October 2010, 02:39 AM	#6
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19 October 2010, 03:15 AM	#13
Wolfgang427 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Wolfgang Location: New Jersey. Watch: Rolex Tudor Omega Posts: 5,592	Watch is legit however price paid is way beyond high retail for this watch(condition and age) even with a layaway plan. If it were mine I would take it back for a refund if possible. __________________ TRF member #917

19 October 2010, 04:12 AM	#18
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,494	Tax in Vegas is about 9%, so if that was an out the door price, it probably isn't much different than most retailers.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

19 October 2010, 04:43 AM	#20
moviefreak "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in my house... Posts: 5,524	If she only asked for authentication and the watch comes out to be all genuine. then that it is fine. No need to tell her that she overpaid for the watch, that will only leave her with a bad memory of the watch.. after all no one forced her to buy it at that price, and as long as she is happy with the watch, that's all that matters. Just tell her not to get close to Tourneau... __________________ Cheers, Eduardo Be a WIS not a WUSS... and remove all the stickers..

19 October 2010, 02:08 AM	#2
Noonan Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: US Watch: 3570.50 Posts: 2,156	The date magnification is off. Were you able to take off the bracelet to check the case for mode/serial number stampings?

19 October 2010, 02:58 AM	#8
Siddhartha Roy Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Siddhartha Roy Location: Calcutta, India. Watch: DDYG,DDWG,YMSG MOP Posts: 31	I am sure you will get the correct reply soon. You might have to wait till this forums answer to Telly Savalas ( who indeed is knows a lot about Rolex watches ) reads your post.

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