god I need to vent!!!

[Atl]

Okay, so I go to Target and buy the latest Carlos Santanta album, and take it home. I have three iPods, and like to listen to music while exercising, in the car, etc., as I assume you all do also. So I pop the brand new $14.00 CD into my MacBook Pro, to download into my iTunes library, using Apple's Lostless compression, for the best sound, and nothing...... No, my computer is working just fine, they apparently put a security feature on the CD, and I can't download it to put it on my iPod, nor will it play on my computer!!! This is SERIOUSLY PISSING ME OFF!!! I paid $14.00 for this CD, and I expect it to be able to be able to download it and put on my iPod. But I can't. I went to the Target and explained the situation to the Manager, including bringing my laptop to prove my point, and he refunded my money. Great, but I wanted the album, not my money back! And yes, I could buy it from the iTunes store, but the quality of their music is no better than an MP3, and is NOT lostless (same sonic quality as a CD). This is unacceptable! I paid $14.00, I OWN the CD, I want to put it on my iPod, and Sony won't let me! Is this the future of CDs?? Can't they put a sticker on the CD saying, you cannot download this CD? Is that too much to ask?!? Now, every time I buy a CD it's a crapshoot, as to if I can put it on my iPod, or not. And a lot of stores will not refund you your money if you open the CD. So you are stuck with a
un-useable CD.

[FremStar]

That is why Itunes was created

[KirkWilfred]

wow....people still buy cd's? so archaic...

[SaddleSC]

What is a CD? Haha

[redwolfoz]

DRM punishes honest people and turns them into criminals.

You bought it, you own it, just how guilty do you feel about illegally downloading a lossless rip?

[Colnago]

There is a very very simple way around this...PM me if you want to know how

[kareemthedream33]

You bought it and paid for it, now go download it illegally and put it on your iPod with the utmost sense of justice and karma.

[bayerische]

You own the physical CD yes, but not it's contents...

But that sucks anyway.

I have a large CD collection, and I'm a music lover foremost, but also a HiFi enthusiast.

Just got myself a Mac Mini to work as my music library, and a iPad as a remote controller, works great, and all my CD's are ripped in Apple Lossless. I too would have been pissed if none of my CD's would have been "rippable".

iTunes quality is better than MP3 IMO, and I do buy a fair bit of music from iTunes. Especially hard to come by 50's - 60's and 70's Jazz.

[Andad]

In perspective.....

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by KirkWilfred

wow....people still buy cd's? so archaic...

I do. I have no interest in ipods or any other way. Makes no sense to me.

[Prince]

Originally Posted by Atl

...And yes, I could buy it from the iTunes store, but the quality of their music is no better than an MP3, and is NOT lostless (same sonic quality as a CD)...

Originally Posted by bayerische

...iTunes quality is better than MP3 IMO, and I do buy a fair bit of music from iTunes. Especially hard to come by 50's - 60's and 70's Jazz.

IMHO, iTunes quality is currently MUCH better than MP3. In fact, I challenge anyone to detect any audible difference between digital music files (AAC format) of at least 256 kbps (iTunes bitrate) and the original CD. I have studied and played classical music for most of my life, and there is no more demanding type of music than classical for sound quality and frequency response. I have about 43 gigabytes of music in iTunes, and a HUGE portion of that is classical Baroque music, all ripped (or downloaded from iTunes store) at at lease 256 kbps. I cannot tell any difference between the original and the digital AAC copies.

On a more serious note, I'm sorry for your problems with the CD.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by Prince

IMHO, iTunes quality is currently MUCH better than MP3. In fact, I challenge anyone to detect any audible difference between digital music files (AAC format) of at least 256 kbps (iTunes bitrate) and the original CD. I have studied and played classical music for most of my life, and there is no more demanding type of music than classical for sound quality and frequency response. I have about 43 gigabytes of music in iTunes, and a HUGE portion of that is classical Baroque music, all ripped (or downloaded from iTunes store) at at lease 256 kbps. I cannot tell any difference between the original and the digital AAC copies.

On a more serious note, I'm sorry for your problems with the CD.

Since when are you seriuos

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by Prince

IMHO, iTunes quality is currently MUCH better than MP3. In fact, I challenge anyone to detect any audible difference between digital music files (AAC format) of at least 256 kbps (iTunes bitrate) and the original CD. I have studied and played classical music for most of my life, and there is no more demanding type of music than classical for sound quality and frequency response. I have about 43 gigabytes of music in iTunes, and a HUGE portion of that is classical Baroque music, all ripped (or downloaded from iTunes store) at at lease 256 kbps. I cannot tell any difference between the original and the digital AAC copies.

On a more serious note, I'm sorry for your problems with the CD.

I use the sign language there are no loss after download.

[figbo]

Originally Posted by Art 1

I do. I have no interest in ipods or any other way. Makes no sense to me.

I still have my 8 tracks so,don't care about anything else.

[figbo]

Originally Posted by mailman

Since when are you seriuos

When he's in a port-a-potty?

[Route 66]

Yes you bought and own the CD but the record company owns the music that's on it.

[marcinthemiddle]

Originally Posted by KirkWilfred

wow....people still buy cd's? so archaic...

[Prince]

Originally Posted by mailman

Since when are you seriuos

Very rarely, Paulie. And when I AM serious, well...

[Prince]

Originally Posted by figbo

When he's in a port-a-potty?

Hey old coot!!!

[figbo]

Originally Posted by Prince

Hey old coot!!!

Hey old man!

[dmacintyre]

Don't worry - if it's the latest album with all the lame cover versions you probably want to severely limit the ability to listen to it anyway

I am a Santana fan, own a PRS Santana guitar, eat in his restaurants all the time and sat a few feet away from him as he performed at the PRS Experience in '09 but the latest disc is just woeful IMHO.

[Atl]

Originally Posted by FremStar

That is why Itunes was created

But the sound quality is not good enough, it's not lostless, it's compressed, like an MP3. I want lostless, like a: FLAC, AIFF, or Apple's Lostless Compression file.

[Atl]

Originally Posted by Prince

IMHO, iTunes quality is currently MUCH better than MP3. In fact, I challenge anyone to detect any audible difference between digital music files (AAC format) of at least 256 kbps (iTunes bitrate) and the original CD. I have studied and played classical music for most of my life, and there is no more demanding type of music than classical for sound quality and frequency response. I have about 43 gigabytes of music in iTunes, and a HUGE portion of that is classical Baroque music, all ripped (or downloaded from iTunes store) at at lease 256 kbps. I cannot tell any difference between the original and the digital AAC copies.

On a more serious note, I'm sorry for your problems with the CD.

I respect your opinion, my father is a professional musician as well, and we have a Wadia DAC for ipods, which bypasses the cheap DAC inside the iPod, and streams the music directly from the flash memory, to a Macintosh (not Apple) amplifier, going to Bowers and Wilkins CM-9's, and I can clearly hear the difference between an iTunes song, and an AIFF file (un-compressed) song. The soundstage just expands with the AIFF song vs. an iTunes bought song, and the highs are not as crisp on the iTunes song, esp. cymbals or triangles.

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by directioneng

In perspective.....

Have to agree. There can be pros and cons to perfectionism. If this example is causing this much consternation, I'd say this one is a con (negative).

Then again, my hearing sucks. I have high range loss and tinitis. I guess that just proves that ignorance can be bliss.

[Prince]

Originally Posted by figbo

Hey old man!

[Prince]

Originally Posted by Atl

I respect your opinion, my father is a professional musician as well, and we have a Wadia DAC for ipods, which bypasses the cheap DAC inside the iPod, and streams the music directly from the flash memory, to a Macintosh (not Apple) amplifier, going to Bowers and Wilkins CM-9's, and I can clearly hear the difference between an iTunes song, and an AIFF file (un-compressed) song. The soundstage just expands with the AIFF song vs. an iTunes bought song, and the highs are not as crisp on the iTunes song, esp. cymbals or triangles.

Then I applaud your golden ears, David.

You will therefore be relegated to CDs and lossless digital files. There could be worse fates!

[renfield33]

if i am really pumped up about an album, i still buy the cd then rip into lossless.

[therolexguy]

Just curious if the CD actually had a sticker, or mark of somekind noting it was a protected CD....or are all of the new CDs now unable to be downloaded? I've never had this problem...yet.

[daveathall]

When one downloads an album from iTunes, is it by default downloaded using the best quality available? Not being computer savvy I would also ask the same question when one rips straight from a cd into ones iTunes library please?

[CashGap]

Originally Posted by Prince

In fact, I challenge anyone to detect any audible difference between digital music files (AAC format) of at least 256 kbps (iTunes bitrate) and the original CD.

If folks can read the difference, then they can "hear" the difference after reading the spec sheet.

Much of it is "Oh... you can hear a difference? Uh, well of COURSE I can hear the difference!".

Monster Cable built a business on this phenomenon!!!