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marcus-w · 5 April 2011, 07:25 PM

Hey,

This is my first post here! :)

I am about to buy my first Rolex. I have found a Rolex GMT Master II from 2005 with the Pepsi ring that I have looked for some time now. As you guys probably know this is not produced anymore, "forcing" me to buy it second hand.

The thing is that I don't wanna end up with a fake Rolex on my arm, paying full market price. So therefore I met the seller at an AD and we left the watch there for them to verify that it is the real thing (the seller didnt mind, which is comforting). It is currently there as I write this being examined by their experts.

Since it is quite a big decision for me buying this watch, I have been reading alot online. And of course the "bad" knock offs are easy to spot. But the BEST ones seems to be quite hard to expose. I definently wouldn't be able to tell the difference. So my question is:

Will the AD be able to tell 100 % if the watch I am about to buy is authentic? (of course they will open the watch up)

Are there any "fakes" that are so good that they can fool the AD's?

(The watch is supposedly sold at the very same AD that now do the examining and has the original certificate that is stamped from that store, and all the other stuff (boxes, bezels, pricetag etc))

Please enlighten me!

Rolex116520 · 5 April 2011, 07:31 PM

There have been stories that some AD's were fooled by fakes . The DSSD story was one of them . I believe we are talking sales staff being fooled and maybe the AD did not invest enough time in checking properly . As a whole I would think you have more chance to be struck by lighting then a Rolex AD validating a fake for authentic .

toph · 5 April 2011, 07:42 PM

9999 out 0f 10000 yes they would be able, especially if they open the watch up and you are not just getting the opinion of sales peopel who too often for my liking dont know much at all.
Welcome to TRF

marcus-w · 5 April 2011, 08:01 PM

Thanks alot guys!

Yeah, I am paying the AD for the examination of the watch, so they will open it up and study everything. Not the sales staff but the "backoffice" guys. So that puts me in the safe zone you say?

What would give the BEST copies away?

padi56 · 5 April 2011, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus-w

Thanks alot guys!

Yeah, I am paying the AD for the examination of the watch, so they will open it up and study everything. Not the sales staff but the "backoffice" guys. So that puts me in the safe zone you say?

What would give the BEST copies away?

There is no such thing as best copies they are as fake as any other copy fake.But the best way to authenticate any Rolex is get the back off to check movement. Up till now thats one thing they have not been able to fake properly.

mrbill2mrbill2 · 5 April 2011, 08:43 PM

You stated the AD is taking the back off to inspect the movement. With that said you can be assured the assesment will be correct.

sandybax · 5 April 2011, 08:54 PM

Yes, they should be able to tell. Even with the best fake.

marcus-w · 5 April 2011, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

You stated the AD is taking the back off to inspect the movement. With that said you can be assured the assesment will be correct.

Sorry, but what does "study the movement" mean? I only said that they would open the back to examine the inside. Is watching the movement a part of what you normally do when opening the watch up to examine the inside?

Thanks again guys!

snog · 5 April 2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus-w

Sorry, but what does "study the movement" mean? I only said that they would open the back to examine the inside. Is watching the movement a part of what you normally do when opening the watch up to examine the inside?

Thanks again guys!

study/examine same thing mate, worth the few $$$ to know

Rolex116520 · 5 April 2011, 09:23 PM

I knew it ! I knew it that this thread would end up here .

MonBK · 5 April 2011, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus-w

Sorry, but what does "study the movement" mean? I only said that they would open the back to examine the inside. Is watching the movement a part of what you normally do when opening the watch up to examine the inside?

Thanks again guys!

It means removing the caseback to make sure it has a Rolex movement.

Rolex116520 · 5 April 2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

It means removing the caseback to make sure it has a Rolex movement.

Go and have your coffee .. come back and you will realise because this has been said 6 times in as many posts it must have bored the socks off a mod and kicked it's ass down here .

jeff hess · 5 April 2011, 09:45 PM

Most AD's sadly can NOT tell if vintage Rolexes are genuine. Most modern Rolex fakes of modern Rolexes can "usually" be determined by AD's.

Good luck!

Jeff

MonBK · 5 April 2011, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Go and have your coffee .. come back and you will realise because this has been said 6 times in as many posts it must have bored the socks off a mod and kicked it's ass down here .

Just did

and was wondering why it was "deported"?

MonBK · 5 April 2011, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff hess

Most AD's sadly can NOT tell if vintage Rolexes are genuine. Most modern Rolex fakes of modern Rolexes can "usually" be determined by AD's.

Good luck!

Jeff

Good morning Jeff, getting ready for the storm today?

Rolex116520 · 5 April 2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Good morning Jeff, getting ready for the storm today?

Jeff is already in a bit of a storm in a thread just next door .

MonBK · 5 April 2011, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Jeff is already in a bit of a storm in a thread just next door .

Just read it and I think he weathered it pretty well.

jeff hess · 5 April 2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Jeff is already in a bit of a storm in a thread just next door .

LOL

you guys are a hoot.

On Katrinas thing, I have little to say.

On this issue I have a lot to say.

Rolex has made it clear that vintage is not their priority. Their business is selling new watches. Most of their AD's are well trained in modern watches. People who work on Rolex are WELL trained and Rolex insists on it. Most ROlex AD's are EXPERTS on modern watches and can tell a modern fake from a mile away.

But when it comes to vintage, most AD's are a bit lacking.

Often, I spend half my day fielding questions from AD's about vintage trade-ins and such.

Cheers!
Jeff

BTW, I agree wtih TOPH in that 9999 out of 10000 AD's can discern fakes...modern ones that is.

And, MonBk, thanks for the nod!

bugsychiou · 5 April 2011, 10:42 PM

Hey,

AD's "should" be able to say if the piece is a fake one, specially if you ask them during a service (maintainance)==> they open the caseback

... nevertheless, in most of the AD's they will tell you that in order to be 1000% sure they will need to send it back to Rolex to get the certification... specially if we are talking as well about bracelets.... actually it happenned to me this week end

, had some doubts about a band i just got from internet...

... went to a couple of AD's and they all told me the same... (I'm in Europe though...

)

cya

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus-w

Hey,

This is my first post here! :)

I am about to buy my first Rolex. I have found a Rolex GMT Master II from 2005 with the Pepsi ring that I have looked for some time now. As you guys probably know this is not produced anymore, "forcing" me to buy it second hand.

The thing is that I don't wanna end up with a fake Rolex on my arm, paying full market price. So therefore I met the seller at an AD and we left the watch there for them to verify that it is the real thing (the seller didnt mind, which is comforting). It is currently there as I write this being examined by their experts.

Since it is quite a big decision for me buying this watch, I have been reading alot online. And of course the "bad" knock offs are easy to spot. But the BEST ones seems to be quite hard to expose. I definently wouldn't be able to tell the difference. So my question is:

Will the AD be able to tell 100 % if the watch I am about to buy is authentic? (of course they will open the watch up)

Are there any "fakes" that are so good that they can fool the AD's?

(The watch is supposedly sold at the very same AD that now do the examining and has the original certificate that is stamped from that store, and all the other stuff (boxes, bezels, pricetag etc))

Please enlighten me!

MonBK · 5 April 2011, 10:43 PM

My pleasure buddy and my best to Katrina.

ed54 · 6 April 2011, 12:18 PM

If, as the OP said, he took it back to the AD who sold it originally, it would be nearly a sure thing since the AD can verify the S/N with their records. It's VERY unlikely that even a perfect fake would happen to have the exact serial number.
I worried about authenticity for a while, then concluded that if I had the one in a million fake that was so exact that the AD was fooled, no one else would ever know either, so I stopped worrying about it and enjoyed the watch.

usbzoso · 6 April 2011, 12:28 PM

When i bought my Sub Date on ebay i brought it in to RSC for $150 they appraised it and told me it was 100% authentic ... no aftermarket parts

crowncollection · 6 April 2011, 02:23 PM

100% guarantee is to take it to rolex themselves only costs about 100 dollars in australia and you get a nice certificate, the watch is ready overnight

5 April 2011, 07:25 PM	#1
marcus-w "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scandinavia Posts: 3	Can a AD for 100% tell that a Rolex is authentic? Hey, This is my first post here! :) I am about to buy my first Rolex. I have found a Rolex GMT Master II from 2005 with the Pepsi ring that I have looked for some time now. As you guys probably know this is not produced anymore, "forcing" me to buy it second hand. The thing is that I don't wanna end up with a fake Rolex on my arm, paying full market price. So therefore I met the seller at an AD and we left the watch there for them to verify that it is the real thing (the seller didnt mind, which is comforting). It is currently there as I write this being examined by their experts. Since it is quite a big decision for me buying this watch, I have been reading alot online. And of course the "bad" knock offs are easy to spot. But the BEST ones seems to be quite hard to expose. I definently wouldn't be able to tell the difference. So my question is: Will the AD be able to tell 100 % if the watch I am about to buy is authentic? (of course they will open the watch up) Are there any "fakes" that are so good that they can fool the AD's? (The watch is supposedly sold at the very same AD that now do the examining and has the original certificate that is stamped from that store, and all the other stuff (boxes, bezels, pricetag etc)) Please enlighten me!

5 April 2011, 07:31 PM	#2
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	There have been stories that some AD's were fooled by fakes . The DSSD story was one of them . I believe we are talking sales staff being fooled and maybe the AD did not invest enough time in checking properly . As a whole I would think you have more chance to be struck by lighting then a Rolex AD validating a fake for authentic . __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

5 April 2011, 07:42 PM	#3
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	9999 out 0f 10000 yes they would be able, especially if they open the watch up and you are not just getting the opinion of sales peopel who too often for my liking dont know much at all. Welcome to TRF __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

5 April 2011, 09:23 PM	#10
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	I knew it ! I knew it that this thread would end up here . __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

5 April 2011, 08:01 PM	#4
marcus-w "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scandinavia Posts: 3	Thanks alot guys! Yeah, I am paying the AD for the examination of the watch, so they will open it up and study everything. Not the sales staff but the "backoffice" guys. So that puts me in the safe zone you say? What would give the BEST copies away?

5 April 2011, 08:43 PM	#6
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	You stated the AD is taking the back off to inspect the movement. With that said you can be assured the assesment will be correct.

5 April 2011, 08:54 PM	#7
sandybax "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Tim Location: Florida Watch: No-date Sub Posts: 289	Yes, they should be able to tell. Even with the best fake.

5 April 2011, 09:45 PM	#13
jeff hess "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Jeffrey P Hess Location: florida Watch: Patek and Ball Posts: 516	Most AD's sadly can NOT tell if vintage Rolexes are genuine. Most modern Rolex fakes of modern Rolexes can "usually" be determined by AD's. Good luck! Jeff

5 April 2011, 10:43 PM	#20
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	My pleasure buddy and my best to Katrina.

6 April 2011, 12:18 PM	#21
ed54 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Ed Location: New York Watch: 16234, Speedy Pro Posts: 128	If, as the OP said, he took it back to the AD who sold it originally, it would be nearly a sure thing since the AD can verify the S/N with their records. It's VERY unlikely that even a perfect fake would happen to have the exact serial number. I worried about authenticity for a while, then concluded that if I had the one in a million fake that was so exact that the AD was fooled, no one else would ever know either, so I stopped worrying about it and enjoyed the watch.

6 April 2011, 12:28 PM	#22
usbzoso Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Stan Location: Dallas Watch: 16610/16600/16800 Posts: 1,231	When i bought my Sub Date on ebay i brought it in to RSC for $150 they appraised it and told me it was 100% authentic ... no aftermarket parts

6 April 2011, 02:23 PM	#23
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,215	100% guarantee is to take it to rolex themselves only costs about 100 dollars in australia and you get a nice certificate, the watch is ready overnight

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