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dbphotos · 12 April 2011, 05:21 PM

I have noticed several mid 80's subs with messed up dials that the sellers call "spider" dials. Apparently this was a probelm with the dials during that time that caused them to crack.

So the question is are these really collectible or is it better to have the dial replaced?

Just a curiosity question.

usbzoso · 12 April 2011, 05:29 PM

cracker dial! keep it i believe there are people who specifically look for these dials, if you get rid of it will probably lower the value of your watch

horseco · 12 April 2011, 05:34 PM

factory defects on any collectable should be left as is...

general · 12 April 2011, 06:18 PM

keep it all original.

Rolex116520 · 12 April 2011, 07:37 PM

Some of those are actually cool , I would leave it as it is .

5517 · 12 April 2011, 10:10 PM

I bought a sub in the 80's that developed a spider dial. When I sent my watch in for the first service by Rolex they replaced the dial but returned the original dial (which I still have). I don't think RSC will necessarily return it these days though.

Puffy · 12 April 2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by general

keep it all original.

Changmaisausage · 12 April 2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 5517

I bought a sub in the 80's that developed a spider dial. When I sent my watch in for the first service by Rolex they replaced the dial but returned the original dial (which I still have). I don't think RSC will necessarily return it these days though.

I just received this one a couple of months ago I love the face (Cheers Ben)

Frogman4me · 12 April 2011, 10:23 PM

I would keep it original, but I wouln't buy one as I believe its an unpopular defect that sellers try to use to boost the prices.

HL65 · 12 April 2011, 10:24 PM

Keep it original is always the best approach IMHO!

MonBK · 12 April 2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frogman4me

I would keep it original, but I wouln't buy one as I believe its an unpopular defect that sellers try to use to boost the prices.

That's exactly what it is.

Jan Davis · 12 April 2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frogman4me

I would keep it original, but I wouln't buy one as I believe its an unpopular defect that sellers try to use to boost the prices.

Not true, the spider web dial is very popular among collectors, it is a excellent piece of Rolex history using a lacquer that was defective. Having a spider web dial can also authenticate a dial with a company logo on it.

Frogman4me · 12 April 2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jan Davis

Not true, the spider web dial is very popular among collectors, it is a excellent piece of Rolex history using a lacquer that was defective. Having a spider web dial can also authenticate a dial with a company logo on it.

I'm sure there are a few collectors who may prefer this dial for preference but I do not know anyone who really cares for them. They do acknowledge they exist but desiring them I hear no such things. Now if your talking tropical dial then collectors go crazy and pay the premium without hesitation. I am one of those nuts!

Dave_T26 · 12 April 2011, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jan Davis

Not true, the spider web dial is very popular among collectors, it is a excellent piece of Rolex history using a lacquer that was defective.

They're definitely not popular among all collectors. Many people don't like them (like me).

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Having a spider web dial can also authenticate a dial with a company logo on it.

A dial can still be authenticated if its not a spider web dial. No real advantage there at all.

Howie · 12 April 2011, 11:12 PM

I never quite got the spidey dial, patrizzi dial, or creamed dial. They are just defects to me, but I know some collectors that would pay a premium for these.

To each their own!

brettpaul · 12 April 2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Changmaisausage

I just received this one a couple of months ago I love the face (Cheers Ben)

Beautiful 5513 mate - BIG congrats on getting it!!!

DOUBLE

!!!

HL65 · 12 April 2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jan Davis

Not true, the spider web dial is very popular among collectors, it is a excellent piece of Rolex history using a lacquer that was defective. Having a spider web dial can also authenticate a dial with a company logo on it.

I am not a fan nor would I ever want one and I have a decent collection of vintage pieces. Can't say I know of many vintage collectors that value them either but that is in my circle. Now tropical is a different story!! Also- as for authentication- no advantage either way- an authentic dial is an authentic dial. JMHO

Frogman4me · 12 April 2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

I am not a fan nor would I ever want one and I have a decent collection of vintage pieces. Can't say I know of many vintage collectors that value them either but that is in my circle. Now tropical is a different story!! Also- as for authentication- no advantage either way- an authentic dial is an authentic dial. JMHO

I was gonna say my friend Ken has never emailed me and said hey David I'm going after this rare spider dial!

HL65 · 13 April 2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Frogman4me

I was gonna say my friend Ken has never emailed me and said hey David I'm going after this rare spider dial!

Never fear David--won't happen anytime soon!!

But--to each his own and every variance has a following!!

Frogman4me · 13 April 2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

Never fear David--won't happen anytime soon!!

But--to each his own and every variance has a following!!

True indeed, I just find this one hard on the eyes. Lol

HL65 · 13 April 2011, 12:16 AM

I am with you my friend--not my cup of tea either.

Jason71 · 13 April 2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelerFan1965

I am not a fan nor would I ever want one and I have a decent collection of vintage pieces. Can't say I know of many vintage collectors that value them either but that is in my circle. Now tropical is a different story!! Also- as for authentication- no advantage either way- an authentic dial is an authentic dial. JMHO

"Decent" collection?????

I would hate to see what you consider to be a great collection.

buddy13 · 13 April 2011, 12:55 AM

Paying large sums of money for a defect does not make one bit of sense to me...

A COMEX submariner would be another story...but a "spider" dial

?!

onkyo · 13 April 2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Frogman4me

I would keep it original, but I wouln't buy one as I believe its an unpopular defect that sellers try to use to boost the prices.

I am with you David.... I find it to be an interesting defect but I would certainly not pay extra for it (and probably significantly less than an intact dial).

Tools · 13 April 2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by buddy13

Paying large sums of money for a defect does not make one bit of sense to me...

A COMEX submariner would be another story...but a "spider" dial

?!

Well, folks pay millions for a postage stamp that is printed upside down... or coins that have the same striking on both sides.....

Not everything strikes the fancy of all collectors, but there are enough who feel the spider dials and cream dials are worth a premium...

Speed · 13 April 2011, 01:33 AM

I never tire of hearing about all the defects and flaws some WIS pay extra for...

What wacky hobby!

I'm still not used to paying so much for a watch in mint shape :-/

etp095 · 13 April 2011, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 5517

I bought a sub in the 80's that developed a spider dial. When I sent my watch in for the first service by Rolex they replaced the dial but returned the original dial (which I still have). I don't think RSC will necessarily return it these days though.

Rolex USA definitely won't return any old parts,other regions of the world have different policy's.How about a picture,if you still have it.

5517 · 13 April 2011, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by etp095

Rolex USA definitely won't return any old parts,other regions of the world have different policy's.How about a picture,if you still have it.

Here are a couple of pictures of my spider dial and my sub with the replacement dial. I hope the pics upload ok because I haven't posted pictures before. They were taken with a cellphone so please excuse the poor quality.

Dave_T26 · 13 April 2011, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 5517

Here are a couple of pictures of my spider dial and my sub with the replacement dial. I hope the pics upload ok because I haven't posted pictures before. They were taken with a cellphone so please excuse the poor quality.

Pretty cool to have the old dial. My watch dial was replaced almost immediately (due to "spidering") when it was under warranty, years and years ago. The (current) gloss dial is still perfect, but I wouldn't complain if they'd sent back the old dial as well.

Just curious, is the serial number for your Sub in the low/mid 8 mil range?

5517 · 13 April 2011, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave_T26

Pretty cool to have the old dial. My watch dial was replaced almost immediately (due to "spidering") when it was under warranty, years and years ago. The (current) gloss dial is still perfect, but I wouldn't complain if they'd sent back the old dial as well.

Just curious, is the serial number for your Sub in the low/mid 8 mil range?

It's a 844xxxx. I think the replacement dial is luminova despite the T<25 marking. I read somewhere that Rolex produced some T<25 dials even though the markers contained no tritium. I prefer the aged look of the old one but I'm not a fan of the spidering. RSC replaced the hands at the same time. Sent those back too!

12 April 2011, 05:21 PM	#1
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Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	Some of those are actually cool , I would leave it as it is . __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

12 April 2011, 10:24 PM	#10
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,988	Keep it original is always the best approach IMHO! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

13 April 2011, 12:16 AM	#21
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,988	I am with you my friend--not my cup of tea either. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

12 April 2011, 05:29 PM	#2
usbzoso Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Stan Location: Dallas Watch: 16610/16600/16800 Posts: 1,231	cracker dial! keep it i believe there are people who specifically look for these dials, if you get rid of it will probably lower the value of your watch

12 April 2011, 05:34 PM	#3
horseco "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Anthony Location: North Jersey Watch: Daytona 116528 Posts: 3,425	factory defects on any collectable should be left as is...

12 April 2011, 06:18 PM	#4
general "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 723	keep it all original.

12 April 2011, 10:10 PM	#6
5517 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Warren Location: N/A Watch: Submariner Posts: 40	I bought a sub in the 80's that developed a spider dial. When I sent my watch in for the first service by Rolex they replaced the dial but returned the original dial (which I still have). I don't think RSC will necessarily return it these days though.

12 April 2011, 10:23 PM	#9
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	I would keep it original, but I wouln't buy one as I believe its an unpopular defect that sellers try to use to boost the prices.

12 April 2011, 11:12 PM	#15
Howie "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York Posts: 1,037	I never quite got the spidey dial, patrizzi dial, or creamed dial. They are just defects to me, but I know some collectors that would pay a premium for these. To each their own!

13 April 2011, 12:55 AM	#23
buddy13 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Etienne Location: Malta Watch: Orient star 300m Posts: 724	Paying large sums of money for a defect does not make one bit of sense to me... A COMEX submariner would be another story...but a "spider" dial ?!

13 April 2011, 01:33 AM	#26
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	I never tire of hearing about all the defects and flaws some WIS pay extra for... What wacky hobby! I'm still not used to paying so much for a watch in mint shape :-/

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