Need help on Speedy Pro 3572

[PAKLOKKEI]

Dear All,

Anyone of you know when was this model launch and when was is stop production ? Please advise

Many Thanks !!!
Anthony

[jmsrolls]

The 3572.50 was introduced around 1996-97 when Omega went to the rhodium plated Speedy Pro movements. The 3572.50 with the 1863 movement replaced the cal 863 (yellow gilt) model 3592.50.

The 3572.50 was discontinued with the introduction of the 3573.50 "sapphire sandwich" around 2003, Omega didn't think the "top of the line" Speedy Pro should have a "plastic" crystal. This was an early attempt by Omega to go upscale.

But for me, the 3572.50 is THE modern Speedy Pro to have. It incorporates the history of the hesalite while allowing a view of the beautiful 1863 movement. Plus, it has the correct wording on the caseback unlike current display back models.

Fr. John†

[PAKLOKKEI]

Thank you John for your detailed info

[Saxon007]

Now that was a complete answer. He is like a walking encyclopedia!

[DFM1]

Question - is it correct that both the 3570.50 and 3572.50 have the same movement? Is it manual or automatic? Also, are they both still available today?

I have a pre-moon Speedy with the 321 movement and want to add a classic "moon" model to my collection but not sure about the different movements.

Thanks.

[daboosh]

3570.50 uses 1861 movement, 3572.50 uses 1863. Virtually the same movement except for some cosmetic changes (gen wave) and a metal brake that replaces a plastic one (which is interesting because the plastic brake is self-lubricating...instance of form over function for the 3572.50). Mainly for the appearance through the caseback. Also if I'm not mistaken, I think the 3572.50 has one extra jewel.

3570.50 is the more authentic "moon watch" as it is the closest to the original (Hesalite crystal, solid caseback). 3572.50 is more bling.

[jmsrolls]

Originally Posted by daboosh

Also if I'm not mistaken, I think the 3572.50 has one extra jewel.

Both the 3570.50 and the 3572.50 have 18 jewels and are manual wind.

Fr. John†

[DFM1]

Originally Posted by jmsrolls

Both the 3570.50 and the 3572.50 have 18 jewels and are manual wind.

Fr. John†

Thanks for the info guys. As usual very helpful. I have my eye on a pre-loved 3570.50 so stay tuned as I might add that to my collection very soon. If I do, I will be sure to post pics as well.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by jmsrolls

The 3572.50 was introduced around 1996-97 when Omega went to the rhodium plated Speedy Pro movements. The 3572.50 with the 1863 movement replaced the cal 863 (yellow gilt) model 3592.50.

Sorry to jump in such an old thread but I have a question: my moonwatch has a rhodium plated 1863 movement but the reference printed on my warranty card says 3592.

This watch's history is a little peculiar: my father bought a moonwatch in April 1997 but the watch was not working; the reseller changed with the one I own now, reporting the new s/n on the warranty card.

Do you think that is it possible that he changed the watch with a different model (from 3592 to 3572) updating the s/n without updating the reference? I have also the s/n of the non-working watch, maybe it's possible to know the original reference from it, but I don't know how.

[Kringkily]

Originally Posted by fmc000

Sorry to jump in such an old thread but I have a question: my moonwatch has a rhodium plated 1863 movement but the reference printed on my warranty card says 3592.

This watch's history is a little peculiar: my father bought a moonwatch in April 1997 but the watch was not working; the reseller changed with the one I own now, reporting the new s/n on the warranty card.

Do you think that is it possible that he changed the watch with a different model (from 3592 to 3572) updating the s/n without updating the reference? I have also the s/n of the non-working watch, maybe it's possible to know the original reference from it, but I don't know how.

Umm you would be able to tell a 3592 vs a 3572 based on the plating different in the see thru caseback. If it is indeed a 3572 and your card says 3592 that reseller is a shady dude...You don't just swap out a watch with a different model or atleast attempt to fix the old one...

[dsio]

Does the serial on the card match the serial on the lug?

Its not uncommon for AD's to hand people the wrong box, I've got a Submariner with a 1980s Day-Date box set, including chronometer certificate.

[jmsrolls]

Is the reference number 3592.50 printed or hand written on the warranty card?

There are three differences between the 3572.50 and the 3592.50. The 3592.50 has:

1. A yellow gilt movement, not rhodium plated,
2. A "spring" retainer to hold the movement in place rather than the taller movement ring, and
3. "Apollo XI" engraved on the display back.

The movement numbers of the 3592.50 are always 48######. Some transitional 3572.50 models also have movements with numbers beginning with "48."

Some 3572.50s even have yellow gilt movements. I have never seen a 3592.50 with a rhodium plated movement but I guess it might be possible.

Fr. John†

[Kringkily]

didn't the 3572.50 replace the 3592.50 because it switched to the 1863 vs the 863 movement? I don't think a 3592.50 would have the rhodium plating.

[jmsrolls]

Originally Posted by Kringkily

didn't the 3572.50 replace the 3592.50 because it switched to the 1863 vs the 863 movement? I don't think a 3592.50 would have the rhodium plating.

Yes, the 3590.50 and the 3592.50 became the 3570.50 and the 3572.50 respectively when Omega went to the rhodium plated 1861 and 1863 movements.

Fr. John†

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by jmsrolls

Yes, the 3590.50 and the 3592.50 became the 3570.50 and the 3572.50 respectively when Omega went to the rhodium plated 1861 and 1863 movements.

Fr. John†

I think that a couple of pictures (ok, three ) can tell you guys more than I can.

The phrase on the warranty card translates into "Not working : replaced with 4836..." .

Please let me know what you think. And thanks to everyone!

[dsio]

Which serial does the lug on the watch match, 4834* or 4836*, or neither?

[jmsrolls]

The warranty card in photographs apparently came with your father's original watch which was most likely a 3592.50. The watch you have now appears to be a 3572.50 based upon the engraving on the caseback and the rhodium plated movement.

I suggest you obtain a Certificate of Authenticity from Omega. I suspect it will confirm that yours is indeed a 3572.50.

Fr. John†

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by dsio

which serial does the lug on the watch match, 4834* or 4836*, or neither?

4836*

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by jmsrolls

The warranty card in photographs apparently came with your father's original watch which was most likely a 3592.50. The watch you have now appears to be a 3572.50 based upon the engraving on the caseback and the rhodium plated movement.

I suggest you obtain a Certificate of Authenticity from Omega. I suspect it will confirm that yours is indeed a 3572.50.

Fr. John†

OK, thanks. I'll do it.

[fmc000]

Today I received the extract of the archives.
My watch is a 3572 and the movement is an 863 and not a 1863.
So it seems that there are some rhodium plated 863s.

[Kringkily]

that's rather interesting. could you take a picture of the cert and cover up the serial?

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by Kringkily

that's rather interesting. could you take a picture of the cert and cover up the serial?

Sure.

[Kringkily]

Hmm interesting thanks for sharing