Most affordable way to a Perpetual Calendar

[Family Man]

Hi All,

I have a desire for a Perpetual Calendar but my budget won't let me anywhere near to a PP or an ALS.

My current favourite is a Glashutte Original Senator 100-02-13-02-04

Could any of you guys point me at other good options that I should consider.

Thanks,

Peter.

[horseco]

What is tour budget, this would help a lot???

[cruvon]

Since you said most affordable though know you won't be considering these:), just saw someone writeup about a Chinese company called Seagull that's been around since 1955 and which bought the manufacturing rights for some of the tri compax movements for the Chinese market decades ago (read that somewhere though not sure), here's one with exhibition caseback.
http://www.seagullwatch.eu/chrono/M199S.php

Another Chinese company here
http://www.perpetual-watch.com/chronograph.html
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f72/per...se-578891.html


In higher end Swiss watches, the JLC Master Calendar that was mentioned in the other thread, in a different category and price from the above, is reasonably priced compared to the higher end offerings from PP,etc. Glashutte is supposed to be good value too. All depends what budget you are targeting at.

EDIT: The Chinese one doesn't look like is a perpetual calendar.

[sierra11b]

Zenith Captain Winsor Annual Calendar?

[Family Man]

Originally Posted by horseco

What is tour budget, this would help a lot???

Thanks for your interest.

My budget will be in the region of 15K (UKP) that will convert to about 18K(USD) which will include tax.
I want to spend as little as possible but have a watch that will impress a wath enthusiast.

Peter

[rosspanics]

I think the GO Senator is a great piece and a nice deal. Very comfortable on the wrist.

Originally Posted by Family Man

I want to spend as little as possible but have a watch that will impress a wath enthusiast.

You might want to reconsider why you're buying this piece though...

[TattooedGQ]

I was looking at those Chinese watches Cruvon posted up....aren't perpetual calendars day date and month so they "never" need a date change? If I'm wrong proper education is most welcome.

[Family Man]

Originally Posted by rosspanics

I think the GO Senator is a great piece and a nice deal. Very comfortable on the wrist.



You might want to reconsider why you're buying this piece though...

Thank you for confirming that the GO Senator is a great piece.

I love watches, always have. That is why I am considering buying this watch.

It is hard to imagine the complexity and ingenuity to takes to design and build a Perpetual Calendar, a piece of machinery that in theory only needs to be adjusted once a century.

Peter

[Family Man]

Originally Posted by sierra11b

Zenith Captain Winsor Annual Calendar?

Thanks for the tip Eric.

I will have a look on the Zenith website but it is really a Perpetual Calendar that does it for me.

Peter

[Family Man]

Originally Posted by cruvon

Since you said most affordable though know you won't be considering these:), just saw someone writeup about a Chinese company called Seagull that's been around since 1955 and which bought the manufacturing rights for some of the tri compax movements for the Chinese market decades ago (read that somewhere though not sure), here's one with exhibition caseback.
http://www.seagullwatch.eu/chrono/M199S.php

Another Chinese company here
http://www.perpetual-watch.com/chronograph.html
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f72/per...se-578891.html


In higher end Swiss watches, the JLC Master Calendar that was mentioned in the other thread, in a different category and price from the above, is reasonably priced compared to the higher end offerings from PP,etc. Glashutte is supposed to be good value too. All depends what budget you are targeting at.

EDIT: The Chinese one doesn't look like is a perpetual calendar.

Thanks cruvon.

I need to do more research!

Peter

[WatchTimes]

Keep in mind the most affordable is not always the best choice

Do not sacrafice quality for price.

Also keep resale value in mind.

[s.al-anizi]

Omega Aqua Terra Perpetual Calendar

[Family Man]

Originally Posted by s.al-anizi

Omega Aqua Terra Perpetual Calendar

Thank you s.al-anizi

I didn't know Omega maunfactured a Perpetual Calendar.

Peter

[cruvon]

Originally Posted by Family Man

Thanks for your interest.

My budget will be in the region of 15K (UKP) that will convert to about 18K(USD) which will include tax.
I want to spend as little as possible but have a watch that will impress a wath enthusiast.

Peter

That's a decent budget, if I were you I would save/allocate more and look for an offering which you can't go wrong with, esp come time for a resale. If you buy from overseas think it's tax free too. Do you need a moonphase too in it or just a perpetual calendar?

[cruvon]

Originally Posted by TattooedGQ

I was looking at those Chinese watches Cruvon posted up....aren't perpetual calendars day date and month so they "never" need a date change? If I'm wrong proper education is most welcome.

that's correct, I realized the Chinese ones are more like the functionality on the vintage ones since they are based on those movements, so they need to be adjusted for leap year, etc. Would have thought they would have figured how to make perpetuals too esp since they already have tourbillons figured out:), which I would think are more complex.

See these commemorative Chinese sourced tourbillons the well respected British Horological Society is offering for less than 500 pounds

The FLYING TOURBILLON, the watch every enthusiast wants...
is usually out of reach for most of us, with a price tag in the thousands. The entire escapement is mounted in a carriage that rotates once a minute and is visible through an aperture in the dial, so the pointer attached to the carriage itself acts as the second hand.

We originally commissioned a special 'BHI 150' edition of the fantastic Flying Tourbillon to mark the Institute's 150th Anniversary. The dial is branded with the Institute's Armorial Bearings, with the 'BHI 150' marking clearly but discreetly showing exactly what this watch is commemorating.

The 36-hour hand-wound 21,600 vph movement carries a 24 month manufacturer's guarantee, and is protected by a stainless steel case, with mineral glass to the front and rear. The watch measures 42mm dia x 11.5mm thick, and comes complete with smart black padded leather strap and deployant clasp, engraved with 'BHI 150'.

For a limited period you can buy this exclusive version of the fantastic flying tourbillon watch direct from the BHI for the amazing price of £385, or just £335 for BHI members! (Postage and packing charges will apply if the watch is not collected - £7 UK, £12 overseas* - deliveries will require a signature.)

The 150 Tourbillon proved so popular that we've commissioned a second watch, the BHI 151 or 'Power Reserve' Tourbillon, again available direct from the BHI, for just £449, or £399 for BHI members! (Postage and packing charges will apply if the watch is not collected - £7 UK, £12 overseas* - deliveries will require a signature.) The 151, also in stainless steel, measures 40mm dia x 11.5mm thick, and has a 50 hour power reserve, and comes with a padded black leather strap with deployant clasp, engraved 'BHI' as standard.

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Contact the BHI today to order your own FLYING TOURBILLON or download an 150 order form or 151 order form right now!!

http://www.bhi.co.uk/Watch.html
and a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTqUG4cNSI

[horseco]

I recommend one of these...

[cruvon]

Originally Posted by TattooedGQ

I was looking at those Chinese watches Cruvon posted up....aren't perpetual calendars day date and month so they "never" need a date change? If I'm wrong proper education is most welcome.

Came across these that have perpetual calendars, guess there are manufacturers there using their movements in their watches

On September 5, 2007, during Hong Kong Watch & Clock Fair, Sea-Gull launched the first watch with a perpetual calendar independently designed in China. Tianjin Seagull Watch Co., Ltd. thus declared to the world; China's mastery of design and manufacturing technologies of the world's three classic watch structures, namely tourbillon, minute-repeater,and perpetual calendar. Research and development on the above-mentioned technologies also provides a platform for Sea-Gull to communicated with other companies in same buiness around the world.

http://usseagull.com/Shownews.asp?ID=51&BigClass=News

[cruvon]

Oky, here's some interesting ones to consider some of which are and others could be within that range at pre owned prices (not sure about some of those listed being perpetual)

IWC Da Vinci Perpetual Calendar 3762 (Stainless Steel Limited Edition version)
Zenith Chronomaster GT Chronograph 03.1240.4001 (not sure is is perpetual)
Jaquet Droz Les Lunes Rehaut Complete Calendar, Reference: J012624203
Jaquet Droz Les Lunes Rehaut Complete Calendar, Reference: J012624203
Breguet 3330BA, Classique, Reference 3330BA/11/286
Blancpain 3563 Triple Date, Half Hunter Complete Calendar, Reference: 3563A-3642,
IWC Portofino Hand-Wound IW544804


also an explantion on Perpetual Calendars by IWC for the IWC Da Vinci Perpetual Calendar 3762

PERPETUAL CALENDAR


The design of the perpetual calendar was a feat of watchmaking genius that finally paved the way for IWC’s entry into the world of Haute Horlogerie. A mechanical masterpiece, it takes into account all the complexities of the leap years; in other words, it recognizes all the years that can be divided, without remainder, by four (e.g. 2012), as well as the centuries that can be divided, likewise without remainder, by 400 (e.g. 2400). These leap years all have a 29th day in February. Years at the turn of the century that leave a remainder when divided by 400 – the next ones are 2100, 2200 and 2300 – are not leap years. In cases like these, calendars with an analogue display will need to be advanced by one day on 1 March by a watchmaker. Calendars with a digital display can be adjusted by the owner. The perpetual calendar’s century slide with an analogue display turns each new century into a major event. The current century slide bears the numbers 20, 21 and 22 and will thus come to the end of its service life on 31 December 2299; but even now, IWC supplies the century slide bearing the figures 22, 23 and 24 for the years 2200 to 2499.

[FeelingTheBlues]

Originally Posted by horseco

I recommend one of these...

This watch is simply stunning but I'm afraid it's an annual calendar.

[jwalther]

Originally Posted by s.al-anizi

Omega Aqua Terra Perpetual Calendar

The AT is an Annual, not a Perpetual Calendar.

[TattooedGQ]

Originally Posted by cruvon

that's correct, I realized the Chinese ones are more like the functionality on the vintage ones since they are based on those movements, so they need to be adjusted for leap year, etc. Would have thought they would have figured how to make perpetuals too esp since they already have tourbillons figured out:), which I would think are more complex.

See these commemorative Chinese sourced tourbillons the well respected British Horological Society is offering for less than 500 pounds





http://www.bhi.co.uk/Watch.html
and a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTqUG4cNSI

Cool thanks!

[Family Man]

Originally Posted by FeelingTheBlues

This watch is simply stunning but I'm afraid it's an annual calendar.

That's a shame. It's a great looking watch!

[Family Man]

Originally Posted by cruvon

Oky, here's some interesting ones to consider some of which are and others could be within that range at pre owned prices (not sure about some of those listed being perpetual)

IWC Da Vinci Perpetual Calendar 3762 (Stainless Steel Limited Edition version)
Zenith Chronomaster GT Chronograph 03.1240.4001 (not sure is is perpetual)
Jaquet Droz Les Lunes Rehaut Complete Calendar, Reference: J012624203
Jaquet Droz Les Lunes Rehaut Complete Calendar, Reference: J012624203
Breguet 3330BA, Classique, Reference 3330BA/11/286
Blancpain 3563 Triple Date, Half Hunter Complete Calendar, Reference: 3563A-3642,
IWC Portofino Hand-Wound IW544804


also an explantion on Perpetual Calendars by IWC for the IWC Da Vinci Perpetual Calendar 3762

Thanks for the information.