Strange Rolex 6511

[oceandweller]

I see something rather strange, today.

I think, there must be an oversight on the part of one of his assistants, since the seller is reputable and also, an authority about Rolex watches.

Listed as Rolex President Day-Date model reference 6511, which I believe is collectible, relative to the common ones.

Firstly, the dial and the movement do not belong to the watch, listed. I think, its original dial will not have the word 'Superlative' and on top of this, different style of hour-markers, while the movement is not 1555, for this particular watch. From memory and I stand to be corrected, it should be 1055.

On the inside of the back-cover, it shows 6510 and the number in between the lugs 6511. This is being acknowledged in the listing.

Ironically, it is stated a collector has kept this watch, the past 20 years.

What do you think?

The item number is: 330713603812

[mastermixer]

I'm not sure about the details you are asking but before I even clicked the link I suspected it would be this seller as there have been a good amount of threads about them similar to this.

[oceandweller]

Originally Posted by mastermixer

I'm not sure about the details you are asking but before I even clicked the link I suspected it would be this seller as there have been a good amount of threads about them similar to this.

Most likely, the owner of the business has retired and there is someone else to oversee the listings.

As far as I know, the owner knows about Rolex watches inside out and he will never make such oversights.

This is the listing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330713603812...#ht_4185wt_999

[crowncollection]

There are some errors in this listing likely I agree 1055 or 1056 movement in this model to my knowledge depending on the year.

[tudorman8276]

...seller: hessfineauctions (76,000+ FB)

...while the 6511 is a rare watch (based upon their being produced for only about 1 year), you all ARE CORRECT about this one.

...the 6510, 6511, and 6611 were ALL powered by the 1055 mvmt-NOT a 1555.

...I suspect that somewhere in the life of this watch, the original 1055 died and could not be repaired and then someone replaced the 1055 with a 1555.

...HOWEVER, the seller has NOT been forthcoming in the listing with the facts about the 1555 NOT being original to the 6511. This info SHOULD BE disclosed so any unknowing buyer can make an informed decision.

...seller IS forthcoming about the 6510 case back.

Rare 6511 18k Rose Pink Gold Rolex President Day Date Mens Vintage Watch

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330713603812...84.m1423.l2649

Pictures below are for instructional purposes within this forum:

mvmt.JPG

case back.JPG

dial.JPG

[springer]

Originally Posted by oceandweller

Most likely, the owner of the business has retired and there is someone else to oversee the listings.

As far as I know, the owner knows about Rolex watches inside out and he will never make such oversights.

This is the listing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330713603812...#ht_4185wt_999

Inconsistencies and misrepresented watches listed by hessfineauctions have been discussed here many times. It is usually some subordinate or his wife that gets the blame for these auctions. Jeff Hess is very protective of his auctions and his staff, especially concerning auctions that were misrepresented and presented here on TRF.

[springer]

Tudorman, I'm far from having much knowledge about these watches but from the limited research I have down, I'll have to concur with your observations. It appears that whomever listed the watch did not fully disclose discrepancies with this Day Date.

In the past, hessfineauctions has not been very receptive to changing verbiage in their auctions - even after they have agreed to change wording on a misrepresented watch.

I'd hate to see some unwary buyer get stuck with this Day Date and have to deal with a refund, which we know is tough to obtain from hessfineauctions!!!!!!!!!!

The last time a Hess family member was here, I remember a post from his wife which read that she should be notified if a discrepancy is noted in one of their auctions. It is worth a try I guess.

[koorb]

Here is a post on another site that has a rose gold 6511 that has similar case back markings, but the dials are another story.

http://www.watchesbokee.com/rolex-da...pink-gold.html

[oceandweller]

Originally Posted by koorb

Here is a post on another site that has a rose gold 6511 that has similar case back markings, but the dials are another story.

http://www.watchesbokee.com/rolex-da...pink-gold.html

This is the real thing. Though not as highly desirable as some of the vintage Rolex sport watches, amongst collectors, I would rather own and wear this, in view of its rarity and classic beauty.

Of course it is an accepted fact, there are many Rolex Day-Date/President on the market but the common ones are different from this Rolex 6511 in rose gold. Truly it is the flag-ship of Rolex and it stands proud and alone, in a class of its own.

[tudorman8276]

...eBay thought the listing should be taken down...

...good work guys.

[crowncollection]

The power if this forum amazes me sometimes keep up the good work members

[jeff hess]

All,

I took a look at the watch today. First time I have seen it. As several have pointed out, I have little to do with ebay. We have three retail stores..one for vintage and two retail watch stores selling brand new watches. Plus our watch distribution business. These keep me very busy and my wifes ebay crew is pretty good with thousands of Rolexes sold on ebay in the last two years without incidence. This one was an aberration.

I looked at the watch today. And indeed it is a very rare early watch and yes with a later movement. The later movement should have been disclosed, but neither the staff member who took it in on trade (in one of our watch stores) for a very expensive new German watch) nor the poster who posted it, was well versed enough to spot the the newer movement. Upon personal inspection I see another undisclosed problem. Two of the links near the endpieces have been either VERY repaired or completely remade. I am going to examine it closely with my watchmakers on Monday. This will be disclosed as will a the more important newer movement when relisted. We apologize for the oversite. No "blame" on anyone. Just happenstance. Thanks for the kind words (except Springer of course...LOL). We are always receptive to changing wrongful listings btw. A simple email to our ebay crew and they will alert my wife who will let me know. Cheers!

[springer]

Originally Posted by jeff hess

All,

I took a look at the watch today. First time I have seen it. As several have pointed out, I have little to do with ebay. We have three retail stores..one for vintage and two retail watch stores selling brand new watches. Plus our watch distribution business. These keep me very busy and my wifes ebay crew is pretty good with thousands of Rolexes sold on ebay in the last two years without incidence. This one was an aberration.

I looked at the watch today. And indeed it is a very rare early watch and yes with a later movement. The later movement should have been disclosed, but neither the staff member who took it in on trade (in one of our watch stores) for a very expensive new German watch) nor the poster who posted it, was well versed enough to spot the the newer movement. Upon personal inspection I see another undisclosed problem. Two of the links near the endpieces have been either VERY repaired or completely remade. I am going to examine it closely with my watchmakers on Monday. This will be disclosed as will a the more important newer movement when relisted. We apologize for the oversite. No "blame" on anyone. Just happenstance. Thanks for the kind words (except Springer of course...LOL). We are always receptive to changing wrongful listings btw. A simple email to our ebay crew and they will alert my wife who will let me know. Cheers!

We love you Jeff Hess!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[mrbill2mrbill2]

Hess Fine Auctions - say no more.

Run Forrest Run!!

[tranny]

Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

hess fine auctions - say no more.

Run forrest run!!

+1

[tranny]

Originally Posted by jeff hess

I took a look at the watch today. First time I have seen it. As several have pointed out, I have little to do with ebay.

In my honest opinion, Jeff, that's a BS excuse. Your name is YOUR NAME. If your wife is operating a branch of your business with YOUR NAME, with YOUR PERMISSION, then it's YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

Having fallen prey to her shady sales practices myself, I can safely say I would advise anyone against working with ANY branch of your business.

[jeff hess]

As noted, there was a HUGE mistake made in not noting in writing that the movement was later. However..
please note that there was NO attempt to deceive whatsoever. The movement was clearly shown. If there was any deceit on the part of myself, my wife or my employees, they would have simply not shown the movement. And please do not call my wife shady. Bad form.

We are currently top rated sellers on ebay (took a long time to get it...we had to give free shipping to get it) and we are one of the top ten sellers of Rolex on ebay in the world.

99.6 percent of all sales end up without a hitch. And we have sold 43 million dollars of goods on ebay in 11 years. We are not perfect and we make mistakes. And this clearly should have been vetted better.

As I said, I have little to do with ebay as I am very busy with our other businesses. This is my wife Katrina's. I asked her long ago to post many pics and to show the movements as often as possible to be totally transparent. And she does this. Additionally, if any of you guys see an anomaly or mistake, feel free to point it out via email.

Thanks. Cheers!

[tranny]

Originally Posted by jeff hess

And please do not call my wife shady. Bad form.

FYI, your wife sold me this: http://www.rolexforums.com/attachmen...1&d=1329785675

And shipped me this: http://www.rolexforums.com/attachmen...1&d=1329764563

Using YOUR NAME (note the "Jeff Hess" on her picture?) She offered to take it back, at my $250 round-trip shipping expense, but then refused when I admitted attempting to polish it, when in fact, even polish would not save that pitted mess, meanwhile bragging about her $43 million of sales, etc. etc. as though that's an excuse to do this? It's my most nightmarish experience yet on eBay. I think "shady" is generous.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by jeff hess

Additionally, if any of you guys see an anomaly or mistake, feel free to point it out via email.

Thanks. Cheers!

.... or just report it to Ebay.

[jeff hess]

If anyone wants to know the REAL story please contact Katrina Hess.

She will be happy to impart what really happened.(ebay found in her favor...you used grit wet sandpaper on the item in an "ill attempt to restore it" Katrina offered you a full refund before you altered it. Your pic was in no way what sh sold you.

Jeff

Is this really the forum for this??

Originally Posted by transio

FYI, your wife sold me this: http://www.rolexforums.com/attachmen...1&d=1329785675

And shipped me this: http://www.rolexforums.com/attachmen...1&d=1329764563

Using YOUR NAME (note the "Jeff Hess" on her picture?) She offered to take it back, at my $250 round-trip shipping expense, but then refused when I admitted attempting to polish it, when in fact, even polish would not save that pitted mess, meanwhile bragging about her $43 million of sales, etc. etc. as though that's an excuse to do this? It's my most nightmarish experience yet on eBay. I think "shady" is generous.

[tranny]

I welcome people contacting Katrina and myself if they care to know the details. That photo of mine is in fact the item Hess shipped me. I have no reason to lie about that. With the volume Hess does, it's likely they will make mistakes. This was one of them. Also FYI, all I asked from Jeff via PM is a sincere apology. He decided instead to attempt to discredit me here. That sums up my experience with Hess.

[chicfarmer1]

Originally Posted by transio

Also FYI, all I asked from Jeff via PM is a sincere apology. He decided instead to attempt to discredit me here. That sums up my experience with Hess.

You're the one who dragged in your backstory here with this seller in someone else's thread (aka hijack). You brought the drama. And raised your own feedback extortion behavior at eBay, and raised the obvious question of why you didn't just start a SNAD (significantly not as described) claim at eBay--which you would have won, almost certainly, without being out any money--but instead applied sandpaper and threats to the seller. But that's another story.

[tranny]

Edit: I'm letting this situation go at this point... I know I made my mistakes. All I wanted was an apology, but I'm obviously not going to get that. It's not worth the negative emotions. I apologize for hijacking the thread.

[Andelain]