AD scam.

[Seadweller]

I was thinking about this after reading Bo's thread about the fake LV.
It is scary how close some fakes can be to the real thing, especially if you don't know what to look out for.

If you had a sales job for an AD and you where dodgy you could buy high end fake Subs, SD's etc and bring them into the shop, show them to potential customers who don't really know what to look for and sell them at full price, then take the real watch home and flog it for full price thru e-bay or local paper, internet forum.

You might get away with it for a few months by which time you could have disappeared. Just a thought.

[karmatp]

What about the papers and serial numbers? A potential buyer might be fooled by the watch but I suspect they would think something is a little foggy with the paperwork...

[Seadweller]

Originally Posted by karmatp

What about the papers and serial numbers? A potential buyer might be fooled by the watch but I suspect they would think something is a little foggy with the paperwork...

Good thought, but I'm sure they could be easily faked as well.

[timebroker]

Now why are you putting ideas in peoples minds
As far as I know most ADs will go through a decent screening before hiring.
Know one respected AD in Belgium who still asks for a handwritten letter as to ascertain knowledge about the person in question by analyzing the handwriting.
And asking for references as well which they WILL follow up.

[Tools]

Selling fakes on the internet is a tough crime to police, and many get away with it.

Selling good AD customers fakes, and ripping off many thousands of dollars worth of legitimate high end time-pieces can get you 5-20 years...

But you could make lot's of new friends and get some cool new tats.......

[Blue Bull]

Selling Rolex is $$$.No AD would mess with having that status.

[timebroker]

You would need to be able to spot the customer that will not notice you are selling em a fake and the ones that would.
Dangerous business.

[Downing]

A few months back I was involved in a case where two guys were running a scam, of sorts, at a local car dealership.

One guy worked at the dealership. For a "fee" (methampthetamine), he would allowed the other guy to "borrow" one of the cars off the lot. The plan was the borrower would drive the car for a few days, then return it, provide another "fee" and borrow a different car. Inventory controls being what they were, managment didn't notice the missing cars. After a while, to enhance his fee the employee started supplying the borrower with financial records of the car lot's customers.

As is the usual with most criminal enterprises, it ended up spinning completely out of control. The borrower failed to return the cars timely, one or two were towed after being abandoned, and ultimately he was caught redhanded in one of the cars with some of the financial sheets.

It was quite the mess. Now they're both in prison and the dealership has had to spend in the six figures contacting their customers and cooperating with the Attorney General's Office to protect their customers.

So it goes.

[txrob779]

Originally Posted by karmatp

What about the papers and serial numbers? A potential buyer might be fooled by the watch but I suspect they would think something is a little foggy with the paperwork...

The Chinese make fake box sets w/ all the paperwork, hang tags and all the works. Scary if you could get away with it. If you read the post I posted about the goggle hit sites, they take $200chinese reps, make up an bunch of crap about it being Swiss Grade 1, pay for these kick a** websites and even fake review sites to substanciate the website and sell those $200 reps for $1000 or even $1500 a pop. People buy them everyday. That is sad and scary.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by Seadweller

Good thought, but I'm sure they could be easily faked as well.

Fake the CCC??

I don't think so!

On the backside there is "ROLEXROLEX" writing that you can only see in ultraviolet light!

Here it is as you see it with the naked eye:


And here it is under ultraviolet light:

[Tombstone]

Each case, if that were to happen would be a separate criminal episode. Most states place theft crime(s) levels at a set dollar amount. Obviously a Rolex would put you into the felony level in most states (over a thousand dollars) this being said for the return per Rolex, and the risk (time you would spend in jail/prison) even after the plea bargain and typical time reduction came into play the offender would still be doing a fair amount of “time” for multiple crimes. If one were to “think” as a criminal (yes I know most criminals are foolish and do not think.) The risk is not worth the crime. White collar crime seems to be where the true criminals work today.

[krlyuzh]

hahaha.

No decent AD, ever, will risk their account to make a few bucks. That is just plain stupid. Do you understand the fines, legal actions, and other consequences that would come from that?! The price of a 'high end' fake watch is often over the 'cost' of Rolex watches AD pay. What's the point? To risk your account, business, even freedom to make a few bucks? Then you speak of LV model. Most people who are looking for these, are people who know Rolex, who owned Rolex before in multiple numbers, people who can spot a fake. Unless the AD is tiny 1 store business, corporate would spot that sale with QUICKNESS. This would never happen, unless you go to those shady places whose response to 'do you carry Rolex?' is 'Not in stock, but i can 'get them in'....' I can't even imagine that being even close to happening where I work.

[mansion]

Originally Posted by kirill

hahaha.

No decent AD, ever, will risk their account to make a few bucks.
[...]

And what is to stop me, an employee, walking into my AD with a fake Rolex on my wrist? And then swapping it for a real one.

When a potential victim walks in, I sell him the fake. He walks out with my fake and I walk out with the real one.

Easy. No AD involvement.

[Destroy]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

Selling Rolex is $$$.No AD would mess with having that status.

Correct. Rolex themselves guarantee any watch purchased from an AD. It'd be WW III if an AD attempted that. They'd probably be stripped of the AD-ship. Not to mention sued. And that's the best case scenario!

[krlyuzh]

Originally Posted by mansion

And what is to stop me, an employee, walking into my AD with a fake Rolex on my wrist? And then swapping it for a real one.

When a potential victim walks in, I sell him the fake. He walks out with my fake and I walk out with the real one.

Easy. No AD involvement.

Umm....that's why during the sale process, the office checks the serial numbers on THE watch going on customer's wrist. And writes it down on the sales ticket. Also, a copy of the warranty is made.

EVEN, if such thing happens, the watch WILL be discovered to be fake, and nuclear war will start between the AD and sales associate and most importantly Rolex themselves. Remember, Rolex does not give an account to any company that ASKS to be an AD. Most, though of course not all, companies will be perfectly legit and honest.