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llsteve80 · 27 September 2007, 02:38 AM

Here's one for you guys. This thing is a joke:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=110172093722

It's item #110172093722 in case the link doesn't work. Nothing bothers me more than someone trying to rip someone off over the internet. Cowards.

Zack · 27 September 2007, 02:40 AM

What makes it fake?

Why can't you report it?

Moose · 27 September 2007, 02:45 AM

Everything but check out the gold paint lines on the underside where the band attaches to the case.

Zack · 27 September 2007, 02:47 AM

OIC...I have a super highly untrained eye

Zack · 27 September 2007, 02:50 AM

I reported it

timebroker · 27 September 2007, 02:51 AM

Crown on bracelet and dial too thick?
Gold on bracelet shows underlying metal.
Bezel way off.

Still learning "spot the fake" :)

Flyjet601 · 27 September 2007, 02:52 AM

That is not a Rolex movement inside that watch.

Date font is wrong...shall I go on

Lisa · 27 September 2007, 02:53 AM

should we advise the bidder to retract their bid?

steve-o · 27 September 2007, 02:55 AM

Sadly fake Bolex watches are everywhere...we're just a band-aid when there's major hemmoraging elsewhere.

Here's my impression of what the fakes are doing to NYC.

SPACE-DWELLER · 27 September 2007, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llsteve80

Here's one for you guys. This thing is a joke:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=110172093722

It's item #110172093722 in case the link doesn't work. Nothing bothers me more than someone trying to rip someone off over the internet. Cowards.

Very well spotted!

Go ahead and report it

Zack · 27 September 2007, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacedweller

Very well spotted!

Go ahead and report it

Done

Fitchy · 27 September 2007, 02:58 AM

case back sapphire

movement not signed

looks like trash

jx299 · 27 September 2007, 03:00 AM

Does Rolex has display window on the back in the Oyaster models? I don't think so. But correct me if I am wrong.

ohsixx · 27 September 2007, 03:02 AM

Looks like the bracelet attaches to the case in an unusual manner. Of course, the see-through back looks immediately suspect!

llsteve80 · 27 September 2007, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack

What makes it fake?

Why can't you report it?

Look at the generic movement, low feedback, it just screams fake. I have no doubt. I did report it, but it takes more than one. I also suspect that the 1 bid is a "shill" bid.

Zack · 27 September 2007, 03:05 AM

Honestly the movement is the only thing that looked fake at first glance to me. I just thought it was beat up real bad. I have a lot of work to do when it comes to spotting fakes. There's no better place to learn then here!

He's been a member since June and these are his 4 purchases...

Honda Acura Ultra Light 4340 Forged I-Beam Rods 909 (#230151352247)

Moroso 20911 1.8L Honda Acura B-Series Wet Sump Oil Pan (#300129139149)

ACURA HONDA RACE INTAKE MANIFOLD 97-01 B16A POLISHED (#220129829410)

Honda / Integra Civic Turbo Manifold and Downpipe (#250139299725)

Is it Shawncivic21?

Tools · 27 September 2007, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jx299

Does Rolex has display window on the back in the Oyaster models? I don't think so. But correct me if I am wrong.

Rolex does not make any clear caseback models.

However, that picture looks like the caseback was popped off for the photo.. Still, it is not a Rolex movement.

Occasionally you will find a nice custom clear caseback, but that is the exception..

(except for one antique made in short supply a few decades ago)

EvEr34 · 27 September 2007, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisa

should we advise the bidder to retract their bid?

you can't

SPACE-DWELLER · 27 September 2007, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvEr34

you can't

Yes, you can under certain circumstances. It is called "Bid retraction".

http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/quest...tract-bid.html

Not popular on eBay, but nevertheless possible.

Zack · 27 September 2007, 03:17 AM

The one bidder is definately a 'shill' bidder...

He's currently bidding on all of these watches:

Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 4 4d 6h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 5 1d 7h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 7 3d 20h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 8 2d 15h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 6 18h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 9 17h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 4 Seller 10 18h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 11 5h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 3 Seller 17 <1h

They are all still active auctions also!

Downing · 27 September 2007, 03:21 AM

Ah, the wonderful world of eBay.

My hat's off to those of you who know what you're doing. Me, I'll never have that kind of confidence and am doomed to a lifetime of spending my money buying new from an Authorized Dealer.

llsteve80 · 27 September 2007, 03:27 AM

Someone else just bid on it. It's now up to 910. The clasp has incorrect markings too, I believe. It should say steelinox with 93250 instead of the old 62523h.18.

Zack · 27 September 2007, 03:30 AM

The second 'shill' bidder is bidding on all of these auctions:

Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 1 6h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 2 3h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 3 3h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 4 2h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 5 10h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 6 14h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 7 6d 5h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 8 8d 23h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 9 8h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 10 8d 20h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 3 Seller 11 1d 7h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 12 6h
Jewelry & Watches > Watch Accessories 1 Seller 13 4h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 6 Seller 14 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 15 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 3 Seller 16 2h
Jewelry & Watches > Watch Accessories 2 Seller 17 8h
Jewelry & Watches > Watch Accessories 2 Seller 18 3h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 19 11h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 19 11h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 20 5h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 21 1h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatch Tools, Parts 1 Seller 22 1d 2h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 11 19h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 23 18h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 4 Seller 24 <1h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 25 2h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 26 6h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatch Tools, Parts 1 Seller 27 6h
Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches

SPACE-DWELLER · 27 September 2007, 03:31 AM

Good work, Zack! And good you reported this seller!

Downing · 27 September 2007, 03:33 AM

Can you report the shillers, too?

I don't know what good reporting will do, frankly. It's never going to end.

But I admit I enjoy watching you guys do this.

Zack · 27 September 2007, 03:35 AM

I almost immediately received a message back from ebay regarding my report. It basically said they are looking into the situation.

Zack · 27 September 2007, 03:36 AM

I don't know of a way to report the shillers...I will look into it though.

aanthunter7 · 27 September 2007, 03:37 AM

Yea, that's it, we are looking into it.... wink wink....

Zack · 27 September 2007, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aanthunter7

Yea, that's it, we are looking into it.... wink wink....

llsteve80 · 27 September 2007, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downing

Can you report the shillers, too?

I don't know what good reporting will do, frankly. It's never going to end.

But I admit I enjoy watching you guys do this.

I admit, I am also enjoying this. I stayed home sick today and can't even sleep due to persistent coughing. This is keeping me very well distracted.

Here's another doubtful one, the images appear stolen from an auction that used auctiva, because of the camera logo in the bottom right corner of the pictures. I think auctiva puts that watermark in there when people use them. Plus 0 feedback, and the ever popular among fake sellers, a female name. Don't know why, but it seems a majority of the scam auctions have a female seller's name for some reason. Maybe to some bidders a female seems more trustworthy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Submariner...QQcmdZViewItem
Item 170151726514

27 September 2007, 02:52 AM	#7
Flyjet601 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hong Kong Watch: All of them Posts: 2,789	That is not a Rolex movement inside that watch. Date font is wrong...shall I go on __________________ I used to be indecisive, now I'm not sure

27 September 2007, 02:55 AM	#9
steve-o "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Real Name: Steve-O Location: Naplis, Merlin Watch: Blue TT Sub Posts: 857	Sadly fake Bolex watches are everywhere...we're just a band-aid when there's major hemmoraging elsewhere. Here's my impression of what the fakes are doing to NYC. __________________

27 September 2007, 03:21 AM	#21
Downing "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Downing Location: Portland, Oregon Watch: SD ExpII GO Nav ND Posts: 1,640	Ah, the wonderful world of eBay. My hat's off to those of you who know what you're doing. Me, I'll never have that kind of confidence and am doomed to a lifetime of spending my money buying new from an Authorized Dealer. __________________ One if by land, one if by sea, one if by air and one uh, just to tell time. Rolex Explorer II White Rolex Sea-Dweller Glashütte Original Navigator Panerai 183 G Black Seal

27 September 2007, 03:31 AM	#24
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Good work, Zack! And good you reported this seller! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

27 September 2007, 02:38 AM	#1
llsteve80 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Huntley, IL Posts: 16	Fake on ebay!!! Report this junk Here's one for you guys. This thing is a joke: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=110172093722 It's item #110172093722 in case the link doesn't work. Nothing bothers me more than someone trying to rip someone off over the internet. Cowards.

27 September 2007, 02:40 AM	#2
Zack deregistered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Watch: 16610 Posts: 447	What makes it fake? Why can't you report it?

27 September 2007, 02:45 AM	#3
Moose Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: TX Watch: GMT I&II, TT Dayt Posts: 117	Everything but check out the gold paint lines on the underside where the band attaches to the case.

27 September 2007, 02:47 AM	#4
Zack deregistered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Watch: 16610 Posts: 447	OIC...I have a super highly untrained eye

27 September 2007, 02:50 AM	#5
Zack deregistered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Watch: 16610 Posts: 447	I reported it

27 September 2007, 02:51 AM	#6
timebroker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Filip Location: Belgium Posts: 1,619	Crown on bracelet and dial too thick? Gold on bracelet shows underlying metal. Bezel way off. Still learning "spot the fake" :)

27 September 2007, 02:53 AM	#8
Lisa "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: oklahoma city Posts: 15,741	should we advise the bidder to retract their bid?

27 September 2007, 02:58 AM	#12
Fitchy Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Royston Location: Essex, England Watch: it! Posts: 145	case back sapphire movement not signed looks like trash

27 September 2007, 03:00 AM	#13
jx299 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Watch: Sub & GMT Posts: 327	Does Rolex has display window on the back in the Oyaster models? I don't think so. But correct me if I am wrong.

27 September 2007, 03:02 AM	#14
ohsixx "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: Mark Location: Florida Watch: Make a guess! Posts: 1,515	Looks like the bracelet attaches to the case in an unusual manner. Of course, the see-through back looks immediately suspect!

27 September 2007, 03:05 AM	#16
Zack deregistered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Watch: 16610 Posts: 447	Honestly the movement is the only thing that looked fake at first glance to me. I just thought it was beat up real bad. I have a lot of work to do when it comes to spotting fakes. There's no better place to learn then here! He's been a member since June and these are his 4 purchases... Honda Acura Ultra Light 4340 Forged I-Beam Rods 909 (#230151352247) Moroso 20911 1.8L Honda Acura B-Series Wet Sump Oil Pan (#300129139149) ACURA HONDA RACE INTAKE MANIFOLD 97-01 B16A POLISHED (#220129829410) Honda / Integra Civic Turbo Manifold and Downpipe (#250139299725) Is it Shawncivic21?

27 September 2007, 03:17 AM	#20
Zack deregistered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Watch: 16610 Posts: 447	The one bidder is definately a 'shill' bidder... He's currently bidding on all of these watches: Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 4 4d 6h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 5 1d 7h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 7 3d 20h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 8 2d 15h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 6 18h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 9 17h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 4 Seller 10 18h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 11 5h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 3 Seller 17 <1h They are all still active auctions also!

27 September 2007, 03:27 AM	#22
llsteve80 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Huntley, IL Posts: 16	Someone else just bid on it. It's now up to 910. The clasp has incorrect markings too, I believe. It should say steelinox with 93250 instead of the old 62523h.18.

27 September 2007, 03:30 AM	#23
Zack deregistered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Watch: 16610 Posts: 447	The second 'shill' bidder is bidding on all of these auctions: Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 1 6h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 2 3h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 3 3h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 4 2h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 5 10h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 6 14h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 7 6d 5h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 8 8d 23h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 2 Seller 9 8h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 10 8d 20h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 3 Seller 11 1d 7h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 12 6h Jewelry & Watches > Watch Accessories 1 Seller 13 4h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 6 Seller 14 <1h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 15 <1h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 3 Seller 16 2h Jewelry & Watches > Watch Accessories 2 Seller 17 8h Jewelry & Watches > Watch Accessories 2 Seller 18 3h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 19 11h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 19 11h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 20 5h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 21 1h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatch Tools, Parts 1 Seller 22 1d 2h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 11 19h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 23 18h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 4 Seller 24 <1h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 25 2h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches 1 Seller 26 6h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatch Tools, Parts 1 Seller 27 6h Jewelry & Watches > Wristwatches

27 September 2007, 03:33 AM	#25
Downing "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Downing Location: Portland, Oregon Watch: SD ExpII GO Nav ND Posts: 1,640	Can you report the shillers, too? I don't know what good reporting will do, frankly. It's never going to end. But I admit I enjoy watching you guys do this. __________________ One if by land, one if by sea, one if by air and one uh, just to tell time. Rolex Explorer II White Rolex Sea-Dweller Glashütte Original Navigator Panerai 183 G Black Seal Last edited by Downing; 27 September 2007 at 03:33 AM.. Reason: spelling air er

27 September 2007, 03:35 AM	#26
Zack deregistered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Watch: 16610 Posts: 447	I almost immediately received a message back from ebay regarding my report. It basically said they are looking into the situation.

27 September 2007, 03:36 AM	#27
Zack deregistered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Everywhere Watch: 16610 Posts: 447	I don't know of a way to report the shillers...I will look into it though.

27 September 2007, 03:37 AM	#28
aanthunter7 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Anthony Location: California Watch: Rolex TT Sub Posts: 86	Yea, that's it, we are looking into it.... wink wink....

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