Something very disturbing

[Darkwhite]

What do you think about this:http://www.timezone.com/library/horo...75591245315012

[BrianVarick]

The fact that he suggests that Rolex should sell their watches for $600 to $800 makes me doubt his credibility. He also suggests that they would be better served with a quartz, and no self respecting watch lover would say that! I think he is just looking at a very small element, and then making a sweeping conclusion.

[dddrees]

The very first negative article about a Rolex movement that I have ever seen, by someone I don't know. That fails to mention how long the watch had gone without a service.

Not that worrysome to me at this point.

[MP5]

Famous and old article about the then relatively new EXP I with Cal 3000. IIRC the retail was around $2200 so, ya- old

[Welshwatchman]

Poor bugger's long since dead.

He did sort of ruin his reputation by his gushing over Invicta watches if my memory serves me correctly.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Darkwhite

What do you think about this:http://www.timezone.com/library/horo...75591245315012

Thats very very very old information and just his opinion nothing more,but in some ways quite true.

[Art 1]

That is water way way under the bridge. I remember when that first came out a long long time ago.

[brian8121]

Originally Posted by dddrees

The very first negative article about a Rolex movement that I have ever seen, by someone I don't know. That fails to mention how long the watch had gone without a service.

Not that worrysome to me at this point.

Dan, we need to bronze it.

Plus, did I mention a $10 drugstore quartz keeps better time over the long-term then my Patek?

[nocampo]

That is an old article that had been put to rest many years ago.

-Nelson

[jay1988]

This is for the old Explorer right ? The watch is probably old and had never been serviced.

[Darkwhite]

Originally Posted by padi56

Thats very very very old information and just his opinion nothing more,but in some ways quite true.

I totally agree.

[kilyung]

Everyone has a moment of lapsed sanity. Walt's many contributions should more than offset this one (not totally inaccurate) moment of insanity.

[up2nogood]

Make no mistake, that guy knew/knows his stuff. That's an 'old' Tritium Explorer, pulled apart when it was new. I dare say that his assessment at the time was accurate.

Here's his other articles, don't see anything on Invicta. http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium

[Mickey®]

Originally Posted by MP5

Famous and old article about the then relatively new EXP I with Cal 3000. IIRC the retail was around $2200 so, ya- old

Thank you MP...FAMOUS AND OLD article.

I guess it's true we finally finished reading the Internet and now we're starting to read it over again....

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by up2nogood

Make no mistake, that guy knew/knows his stuff. That's an 'old' Tritium Explorer, pulled apart when it was new. I dare say that his assessment at the time was accurate.

Here's his other articles, don't see anything on Invicta. http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium

More NBs should read this FAQ:

http://forums.timezone.com/?t=rview&...=2277#msg_2277

[up2nogood]

Originally Posted by kilyung

More NBs should read this FAQ:

http://forums.timezone.com/?t=rview&...=2277#msg_2277

That ref doesn't refute his findings, but Walt's findings are not proven to be anything over than a possible anomaly either. I don't doubt the author, and I also don't doubt that this example is an anomaly. Rolex builds brilliant product, but everyone makes mistakes.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by up2nogood

That ref doesn't refute his findings, but Walt's findings are not proven to be anything over than a possible anomaly either. I don't doubt the author, and I also don't doubt that this example is an anomaly. Rolex builds brilliant product, but everyone makes mistakes.

No disagreement... Exactly why I posted the link Alex.

[Atomant]

wow, thanks for bringing up this article. It's way before even when I got my first Rolex now I get to read it again.

[up2nogood]

Originally Posted by kilyung

No disagreement... Exactly why I posted the link Alex.

Noted, sir!

[nowzen]

Originally Posted by jay1988

This is for the old Explorer right ? The watch is probably old and had never been serviced.

According to Richard Paige, Director of TimeZone.com:

"Regarding the source of the watch that walt reviewed..I have gone on TimeZone publicly several times over the last few years and stated that I was the one who procured the watch for Walt Odets...I bought the watch "off the shelf" from an authorized rolex dealer .....the dealer is a friend of mine, and I know for a fact that it came directly from the factory and was put out for sale in factory condition."

[GradyPhilpott]

One bad and somewhat dubious review of a Rolex movement that is negative and it lives forever on the internet.

No one seems to know how such a Rolex got into the supply chain, but if the above post is true, the watch was under warranty and if the movement was as bad a reported, the warranty should have taken care of it, review or no review.

[up2nogood]

I think it's far more disturbing that I ran out of Scotch whiskey tonight. Forget the bloody Explorer, it's a minor thing in comparison!!!

[Mickey®]

I don't remember it having anything to do with being serviced… I think he was disappointed in the overall finishing from Rolex? But I've been wrong before....

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Poor bugger's long since dead.

He did sort of ruin his reputation by his gushing over Invicta watches if my memory serves me correctly.

What? You must be confusing him with some other person. That Holbrook guy maybe? Walt's not dead, though his interest in watches died long ago. He was much maligned for his review of the Rolex when it was published, but it is honest and complete with his usual high quality photos. I remember it well, and it was a new explorer.
He would never gush about an Invicta, his interests were in the best and often complicated movements. Look at his other reviews and you'll understand why he judged the Rolex movement harshly. And let's not forget that while it is a great workhorse (why I wear mine almost daily BTW), it is a pedestrian movement by horological standards.
That's how he judged it. And as stated it was only around $2k at the time, so $800 is a fair assessment.
One can learn a lot about watches from his articles, take a look. I wanted to buy his custom exhibition back platinum Mark XII very much, still do. Anyone know where it is now??? Finders fee...

[MoBe]

I don`t think I will need to liqudate my watch collection based on the information in this one article.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by kilyung

More NBs should read this FAQ:

http://forums.timezone.com/?t=rview&...=2277#msg_2277

this was a great link and a great read. thanks for sharing.

[psv]

Originally Posted by padi56

Thats very very very old information and just his opinion nothing more,but in some ways quite true.

+1. That article has been around for long over a decade. He has some valid points, but many of us don't agree with the premises he makes.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

What? You must be confusing him with some other person. That Holbrook guy maybe? Walt's not dead, though his interest in watches died long ago. He was much maligned for his review of the Rolex when it was published, but it is honest and complete with his usual high quality photos. I remember it well, and it was a new explorer.
He would never gush about an Invicta, his interests were in the best and often complicated movements. Look at his other reviews and you'll understand why he judged the Rolex movement harshly. And let's not forget that while it is a great workhorse (why I wear mine almost daily BTW), it is a pedestrian movement by horological standards.
That's how he judged it. And as stated it was only around $2k at the time, so $800 is a fair assessment.
One can learn a lot about watches from his articles, take a look. I wanted to buy his custom exhibition back platinum Mark XII very much, still do. Anyone know where it is now??? Finders fee...

excellent point. and i did learn a lot from this article. and while in the minority, i have to admit, the complexity of the movement means little to me. i mostly care about quality, feel and comfort of a watch.

but i really did enjoy his article and the FAQ that was posted after. i think this is a great thread.

[Dr.Brian]

Here's a link to his other articles. His photos and explanations are legendary.
http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium
Plow through them, take the time to look up anything you don't understand, and you'll never look at watches the same way. Man, 15 years ago TZ was an amazing place. Time has not been kind.
The thing to keep in mind is perspective, his, yours. I used to be a big fan of the elaborate movements, complications, the whole enchilada. Now I just want a watch that I can knock into the door frame with wild abandon without a 6 month $2000 headache. Rolex to the rescue. I'm a convert!

[psv]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

Here's a link to his other articles. His photos and explanations are legendary.
http://www.timezone.com/library/horologium
Plow through them, take the time to look up anything you don't understand, and you'll never look at watches the same way. Man, 15 years ago TZ was an amazing place. Time has not been kind.

Those were the days! :-)

Arguably, Rolex makes better watches these days though! ;-)