Can you get the older stick dials on the newer Datejusts ?

[PresenceUK]

I am thinking of buying a Datejust with stick hour markers and blue dial... I nearly bought one last week but decided I dont like the hour markers on the new watches otherwise I love them in every other way...

I am new to the Rolex world but I think the new hour markers look cheap and plasticky, I absolutely love the new 116300 DJII but the hour markers make it look cheap they are far to chunky, from a distance they look like bits of plastic stuck on, I much prefer the more delicate hour markers on the older datejusts...

Anyway my question is... will I have to buy a used watch to get the nicer hour markers ?

I would love a brand new one but I dont think they look anything like as nice as the older ones...

I would love a 116300 or a 116200 but with a blue dial and hour markers like on a 16234 or a blue dial with gold hands and markers like on a 1601

Forgive my ignorance BTW, its a big buy for me so I want to get the right choice first time..

[PresenceUK]

I am so sorry I just realised I put this in the wrong section, I am thicker than a whale omellette sometimes.

[77T]

The dials are different diameter between DJ and DJ-II so no swapping of dials.

[superdelsol]

Here is a link to a Rolex dial catalog, click on the green Rolex catalog:

http://www.oysterworld.de/dials-bracelets.html

It appears as though the legacy stick dials are a thing of the past. The new stick dials incorporate Super-Luminova luminous material in the stick whereas the legacy stick dials had a luminous dot next to the stick. Rolex has also incorporated this design in the Arab dials, where the numerals are Super-Luminova filled as well. The only dials which haven't changed much are the Roman and diamond dials. Legacy dials from a 36mm Datejust will fit in a new 36mm Datejust. I saw an older Datejust for sale on this forum that had a newer dial installed, and I have seen a newer 34mm Air-King Ref 11400 fitted with a legacy Air-King blue stick dial and it looked fantastic. I believe that although the new design is functional, it doesn't seem as attractive as the traditional precious metal markers.

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by PresenceUK

I am so sorry I just realised I put this in the wrong section, I am thicker than a whale omellette sometimes.

Moved it for you.....

[AH0RSEY]

have you considered the Airking Date instead. Its got the size, colour and stick dial options you want..... ref on TZ

http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...-%28vintage%29

[PresenceUK]

Wow thats lovely and just the dial look I was after...

[AH0RSEY]

Originally Posted by PresenceUK

Wow thats lovely and just the dial look I was after...

then it may be a 5700 you are after then afterall

or at least an alternative

[PresenceUK]

Originally Posted by PresenceUK

Here is a link to a Rolex dial catalog, click on the green Rolex catalog:

http://www.oysterworld.de/dials-bracelets.html

It appears as though the legacy stick dials are a thing of the past. The new stick dials incorporate Super-Luminova luminous material in the stick whereas the legacy stick dials had a luminous dot next to the stick. Rolex has also incorporated this design in the Arab dials, where the numerals are Super-Luminova filled as well. The only dials which haven't changed much are the Roman and diamond dials. Legacy dials from a 36mm Datejust will fit in a new 36mm Datejust. I saw an older Datejust for sale on this forum that had a newer dial installed, and I have seen a newer 34mm Air-King Ref 11400 fitted with a legacy Air-King blue stick dial and it looked fantastic. I believe that although the new design is functional, it doesn't seem as attractive as the traditional precious metal markers.

I totally agree...

Thats really useful thanks I can see all the new dials now and there are none I like so thats a new one out of the qeustion totally by the look of it...

I just love the older stick dials though just like the pic of the Airking above... Its a shame I cant get a new 36mm one of those really...

You probably cant see it clearly but my Avatar is my current (first and only) Rolex...

As you can see vaguely it has the same type of dial that I love (I also really like the yellow gold hour markers on a blue dial that you see on some of the vintage datejusts I like those even more) but I want something a bit bigger thats automatic winding as it looks a little small on my big wrist and its a pain to wind...

Its good to know that its called a "legacy" type dial as well I didnt know that... perhpas it will help me in my search...

Theres a cheap one with a nice blue dial on ebay a 1601 but the history looks a bit shaky (badly spelt "warrenty"... from Japan etc)...

It really is the dial that does it for me though rather than the strap or the case even...

I wonder how much it would cost or even if Rolex would put a Legacy dial in a new 116200 or a 116234 one or not...

I think used might be the best way to go though (and a lot cheaper than modyfying a new one) if I can find one...

[kokota]

Originally Posted by PresenceUK

I am thinking of buying a Datejust with stick hour markers and blue dial... I nearly bought one last week but decided I dont like the hour markers on the new watches otherwise I love them in every other way...

I am new to the Rolex world but I think the new hour markers look cheap and plasticky, I absolutely love the new 116300 DJII but the hour markers make it look cheap they are far to chunky, from a distance they look like bits of plastic stuck on, I much prefer the more delicate hour markers on the older datejusts...

Anyway my question is... will I have to buy a used watch to get the nicer hour markers ?

I would love a brand new one but I dont think they look anything like as nice as the older ones...

I would love a 116300 or a 116200 but with a blue dial and hour markers like on a 16234 or a blue dial with gold hands and markers like on a 1601

Forgive my ignorance BTW, its a big buy for me so I want to get the right choice first time..

The current DJ Turn-O-Graph has the markers you like and it is offered in SS with a blue dial.

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by kokota

The current DJ Turn-O-Graph has the markers you like and it is offered in SS with a blue dial.

That's a great idea!

[The GMT Master]

It would be possible to take a dial designed for a 16200/16234 and put it on a 116200/116234 as both use the same movement. The difficulty would be getting hold of one and finding a watchmaker to do the job for you. The other alternative is the Turn-O-Graph, if you can still get hold of one - it is discontinued now

[whackamole]

I found myself in a similar situation when I was looking to purchase a DJ. I liked the old sticks without the lumens and the color of the blue differs from old models as well. The DJII sticks were too chunky but I found the DJ wasn't nearly as bad. The only other option being diamonds/romans instead of sticks, but thats not my style.

As my wrist is thin I ended up going for the DJ and haven't had a single regret since picking it up nearly 3 weeks ago.

[azguy]

Not that old an "F"

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[whackamole]

I think the latest turnograph models dont have lumens on the sticks, but those are the only ones like that.

AD told me it's been 20 years since the DJ started including lumens on stick models and since I wanted a blue dial I'd need to look for something from the 80s.

That's when I gave up looking.

[whackamole]

Think the turnograph still comes with no lumens on the sticks today. Other models have had lumens since the late 80's according to my AD.

[superdelsol]

Originally Posted by PresenceUK

I totally agree...

Thats really useful thanks I can see all the new dials now and there are none I like so thats a new one out of the qeustion totally by the look of it...

I just love the older stick dials though just like the pic of the Airking above... Its a shame I cant get a new 36mm one of those really...

You probably cant see it clearly but my Avatar is my current (first and only) Rolex...

As you can see vaguely it has the same type of dial that I love (I also really like the yellow gold hour markers on a blue dial that you see on some of the vintage datejusts I like those even more) but I want something a bit bigger thats automatic winding as it looks a little small on my big wrist and its a pain to wind...

Its good to know that its called a "legacy" type dial as well I didnt know that... perhpas it will help me in my search...

Theres a cheap one with a nice blue dial on ebay a 1601 but the history looks a bit shaky (badly spelt "warrenty"... from Japan etc)...

It really is the dial that does it for me though rather than the strap or the case even...

I wonder how much it would cost or even if Rolex would put a Legacy dial in a new 116200 or a 116234 one or not...

I think used might be the best way to go though (and a lot cheaper than modyfying a new one) if I can find one...

"Legacy" is just my terminology for Rolex watches, dials, bracelets etc. from the 5 digit range of reference numbers that differ significantly from the current range of 6 digit reference numbers. The 5 digit Datejusts were manufactured from the late 1980s until the mid 2000s. I recently purchased an F-serial number (2003) Ref. 16234 for my wife that has the traditional stick dial and standard case and jubilee bracelet. The current replacement for this model is the Ref. 116234 which was introduced 2004-2005, and has the wide lug super-case, solid link bracelet with hidden clasp, and lume filled hour markers. I would consider a Rolex with a 4 digit reference number to be vintage.