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Aventura · 14 November 2012, 11:33 PM

What think guys? The PAM 111 is worth 30% more than the PAM 005.It is worth paying the difference if the watchs are virtually equal in the sight?
Thanks...

Cru Jones · 14 November 2012, 11:39 PM

if clear case back + sandwich + no logo (vs. solid back + sausage dial + logo) is worth 30% more to you, then, yes, it's worth it.

Aventura · 15 November 2012, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

if clear case back + sandwich + no logo (vs. solid back + sausage dial + logo) is worth 30% more to you, then, yes, it's worth it.

Good point. By the way..I take the chance your responses are so fast, what means sausage dial? The color? Thanks...

kilyung · 15 November 2012, 12:10 AM

Sausage dial refers to painted/printed markers vs sandwiched and I prefer the 005.

Backgammon · 15 November 2012, 01:30 AM

My experience in the german Paneraicommunity is that most people start with the Sandwichdials and switch after a time to the painted Dials.
Sandwich Dials haven`t any historic Roots.
I had an 177 Sandwich and sold it to buy an 118,116 and 390.

Peer

Palmasea · 15 November 2012, 01:36 AM

Pam 005!

Survivor · 15 November 2012, 02:14 AM

Buy what you like............don't get caught up in the obsession of Panerai history and DNA. All these watches are beautiful in their own right

One Ping Only · 15 November 2012, 02:18 AM

I have been having the same debate with the 000 vs the 112. At the moment, the 112 is winning as I prefer the slightly cleaner face. But that could change.

TAKUYA · 15 November 2012, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

if clear case back + sandwich + no logo (vs. solid back + sausage dial + logo) is worth 30% more to you, then, yes, it's worth it.

Cru Jones · 15 November 2012, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Survivor

Buy what you like............don't get caught up in the obsession of Panerai history and DNA. All these watches are beautiful in their own right

red1108nyc · 15 November 2012, 03:17 AM

I prefer the sausage/painted dial myself!

dman · 15 November 2012, 03:52 AM

Worth it is personal but there are the difference that others have mentioned plus the movement is not the same, ie...decorations, swan neck etc to make it look good with the display back. I like the solid caseback but both are great watches.

Cru Jones · 15 November 2012, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dman

Worth it is personal but there are the difference that others have mentioned plus the movement is not the same, ie...decorations, swan neck etc to make it look good with the display back. I like the solid caseback but both are great watches.

Actually, I think the movements are exactly the same?

Both list the following:

Movement: hand-wound mechanical, Panerai OP XI calibre with swan's neck regulator, 16½ lignes, 17 jewels, Côtes de Genève decoration on the bridges. Glucydur® balance with Nivarox® I spring, 21,600 alternations/hour.
Incabloc® anti-shock device.
Power reserve 56 hours.
Chronometer Certificate (C.O.S.C.)

EDIT: Oops! You are right. The above is for the 111 and below is for the 005.

Movement: hand-wound mechanical, Panerai OP II, 16½ lignes, 17 jewels, Côtes de Genève decoration on the bridges. Glucydur® balance with Nivarox® I spring, 21,600 alternations/hour.
Incabloc® anti-shock device.
Power reserve 56 hours.
Chronometer Certificate (C.O.S.C.).

dman · 15 November 2012, 04:27 AM

You are actually right for the most part as well Cru...they are at heart the same.

Psmith · 15 November 2012, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Backgammon

My experience in the german Paneraicommunity is that most people start with the Sandwichdials and switch after a time to the painted Dials.
Sandwich Dials haven`t any historic Roots.I had an 177 Sandwich and sold it to buy an 118,116 and 390.

Peer

Really?

And what would it matter anyway? Not every Panerai buyer cares about such things

Quote:

Originally Posted by Survivor

Buy what you like............don't get caught up in the obsession of Panerai history and DNA. All these watches are beautiful in their own right

Sensible post

nick c · 15 November 2012, 11:39 AM

005 here

Aventura · 15 November 2012, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takuya

I'm interested in a new one with discount.
Thanks.

Aventura · 15 November 2012, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kilyung

Sausage dial refers to painted/printed markers vs sandwiched and I prefer the 005.

Please forgive my ignorance but what is the difference between the sandwich dial (111) with painted dial (005). I thought it was called by the glass sandwich carrying back but it seems that is the color of the dial. I need you to teach me. Thank you.

mfer · 15 November 2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aventura

Please forgive my ignorance but what is the difference between the sandwich dial (111) with painted dial (005). I thought it was called by the glass sandwich carrying back but it seems that is the color of the dial. I need you to teach me. Thank you.

Sandwich (aka sammy) v paint (aka sausage)

Aventura · 15 November 2012, 12:32 PM

Thanks...you are the best.. always so friendly to answer my questions.
Sam

nick c · 15 November 2012, 01:00 PM

Sandwich (aka sammy) v paint (aka sausage) NOW I FEEL HUNGRY

Glenn422 · 15 November 2012, 10:29 PM

Buy what you like :) Have you seen both in person?

Shrinkdial · 16 November 2012, 08:32 PM

You are the one who has to wear it.
Love looking at my Sammy (!!) dial at an angle seeing the contours and shadows.
It seems so unique.

Is there a significant difference in lume between the two either in brightness, colour or time it stays "lumy"??

14 November 2012, 11:33 PM	#1
Aventura "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Miami Beach FL US Posts: 1,425	30% more.. it is worth it? What think guys? The PAM 111 is worth 30% more than the PAM 005.It is worth paying the difference if the watchs are virtually equal in the sight? Thanks...

15 November 2012, 03:52 AM	#12
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	Worth it is personal but there are the difference that others have mentioned plus the movement is not the same, ie...decorations, swan neck etc to make it look good with the display back. I like the solid caseback but both are great watches. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

15 November 2012, 04:27 AM	#14
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	You are actually right for the most part as well Cru...they are at heart the same. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

15 November 2012, 12:32 PM	#20
Aventura "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Miami Beach FL US Posts: 1,425	Thanks Mik Thanks...you are the best.. always so friendly to answer my questions. Sam

14 November 2012, 11:39 PM	#2
Cru Jones 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: CET Posts: 35,581	if clear case back + sandwich + no logo (vs. solid back + sausage dial + logo) is worth 30% more to you, then, yes, it's worth it.

15 November 2012, 12:10 AM	#4
kilyung "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,946	Sausage dial refers to painted/printed markers vs sandwiched and I prefer the 005.

15 November 2012, 01:30 AM	#5
Backgammon "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: berlin Watch: panerai 305 Posts: 31	My experience in the german Paneraicommunity is that most people start with the Sandwichdials and switch after a time to the painted Dials. Sandwich Dials haven`t any historic Roots. I had an 177 Sandwich and sold it to buy an 118,116 and 390. Peer

15 November 2012, 01:36 AM	#6
Palmasea "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Southern CA. Watch: JLC~AP~RLX~PAM~UN Posts: 360	Pam 005!

15 November 2012, 02:14 AM	#7
Survivor Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Rob Location: Thousand Oaks Watch: DSSD Posts: 1,017	Buy what you like............don't get caught up in the obsession of Panerai history and DNA. All these watches are beautiful in their own right

15 November 2012, 02:18 AM	#8
One Ping Only "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Ken Location: WI Watch: several Posts: 1,639	I have been having the same debate with the 000 vs the 112. At the moment, the 112 is winning as I prefer the slightly cleaner face. But that could change.

15 November 2012, 03:17 AM	#11
red1108nyc 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Fred Location: NYC/NJ Metro Area Watch: Rolex Posts: 8,514	I prefer the sausage/painted dial myself!

15 November 2012, 11:39 AM	#16
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	005 here

15 November 2012, 01:00 PM	#21
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Sandwich (aka sammy) v paint (aka sausage) NOW I FEEL HUNGRY

15 November 2012, 10:29 PM	#22
Glenn422 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: TRF Posts: 721	Buy what you like :) Have you seen both in person?

16 November 2012, 08:32 PM	#23
Shrinkdial Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Jeremy Location: Melbourne Posts: 129	You are the one who has to wear it. Love looking at my Sammy (!!) dial at an angle seeing the contours and shadows. It seems so unique. Is there a significant difference in lume between the two either in brightness, colour or time it stays "lumy"??

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