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cruvon · 24 June 2013, 12:26 AM

Was browsing thru" Aussie Ebay and came across this red sub, looks all original? Seller doesn't have the best pictures.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Rolex-168...64e277c&_uhb=1

Robi74 · 24 June 2013, 12:34 AM

Yeha, i have a huge problem with "dorks" selling watches and takes pics like this and thinks that it will sell!!!

For me poffpoff pass.

swish77 · 24 June 2013, 12:39 AM

I've seen far worse photos. You could always ask for more detailed shots, and for the money that this watch should fetch, that's highly recommended if you're considering it. I think it looks pretty nice, assuming that it's what it says it is.

Robi74 · 24 June 2013, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by swish77

i've seen far worse photos. You could always ask for more detailed shots, and for the money that this watch should fetch, that's highly recommended if you're considering it. I think it looks pretty nice, assuming that it's what it says it is.

+1

springer · 24 June 2013, 01:46 AM

There is no information identifying the year of the watch but it appears to have the Mark IV dial (2.45 million - 4 million serial numbers.) All of the accessories are missing except the box. From the photos, it seems to wear most of the original "parts" except the insert which appears to be a Rolex replacement. The watch looks very nice for its age.

Robbyvm · 24 June 2013, 01:53 AM

Based on what i see in these few pics it looks in very nice condition!

BaltimoreBrian · 24 June 2013, 02:59 AM

I think one of our TRF'ers was selling this a month or two ago. I remember looking at it with a friend. I remember these exact pics

I thought it was being sold out if Ny or NJ

cajunron · 24 June 2013, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BaltimoreBrian

I think one of our TRF'ers was selling this a month or two ago. I remember looking at it with a friend. I remember these exact pics

I thought it was being sold out if Ny or NJ

Using stolen photos is very common among scam artists. Looking at his feedback, all of his prior sales history involves auto parts. I would ask for a current picture with his name and current date. Possibly with the watch set at a pre-determined time.

Mark020 · 24 June 2013, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BaltimoreBrian

I think one of our TRF'ers was selling this a month or two ago. I remember looking at it with a friend. I remember these exact pics

I thought it was being sold out if Ny or NJ

+1. If I remember correct this package was on ebay with a low BIN a couple of weeks ago. No pickup possible bla bla bla.

BaltimoreBrian · 24 June 2013, 06:20 AM

Fraudulent sale!

crowncollection · 24 June 2013, 06:46 AM

I have also seen those photos before

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BaltimoreBrian · 24 June 2013, 06:55 AM

Those were ONKYO's pics from TRF, he has confirmed he already sold this piece, and it was a local sale to NJ/NY, not Australia. His pics were stolen

onkyo · 24 June 2013, 07:07 AM

Yes those are my pics! 100% fraudulent sale. Buyer was local guy here in NYC/NJ who still has watch.

ps... my listing had >20 very detailed close up pics.

onkyo · 24 June 2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

There is no information identifying the year of the watch but it appears to have the Mark IV dial (2.45 million - 4 million serial numbers.) All of the accessories are missing except the box. From the photos, it seems to wear most of the original "parts" except the insert which appears to be a Rolex replacement. The watch looks very nice for its age.

John, correct. It was Mark IV dial. And correct bezel and insert were replacement Rolex. Dial and hands were original and some of the best I have ever seen. The new owner is very happy with it.

cruvon · 24 June 2013, 08:11 AM

Wow, thanks guys, wonder what he would ship to the winning bidder! Him not showing more pics and a detailed desc. surely looked fishy, now we know the truth. Plus he's from remote Tasmania where the chances of tracking him down physically on a conned sale are bleak for most Aussie citysiders.

Btw Pav, a very nice watch that am sure the actual owner is enjoying!

onkyo · 24 June 2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cruvon

Wow, thanks guys, wonder what he would ship to the winning bidder! Him not showing more pics and a detailed desc. surely looked fishy, now we know the truth. Plus he's from remote Tasmania where the chances of tracking him down physically on a conned sale are bleak for most Aussie citysiders.

Btw Pav, a very nice watch that am sure the actual owner is enjoying!

If you guys down under can report this fraud to ebay I would appreciate it! I cant using my US account.

cruvon · 24 June 2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by onkyo

If you guys down under can report this fraud to ebay I would appreciate it! I cant using my US account.

Cheers Pav, haven't done it before so will figure out how to do it. Could you please send me a link to your sale thread if exists somewhere? Will send them this link too.

onkyo · 24 June 2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cruvon

Cheers Pav, haven't done it before so will figure out how to do it. Could you please send me a link to your sale thread if exists somewhere? Will send them this link too.

Here is the link... https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=286251

but I deleted pics to avoid fraud....

cruvon · 24 June 2013, 11:37 AM

Hi Pav, reported! I suggest any other Aussie members here re report it for greater effect , there is a very small character count limit on the reporting post so just gave them this link with a few words as description.

cruvon · 24 June 2013, 08:19 PM

Damn, looks like somebody got conned, Ebaaaaaaay.......

HL65 · 24 June 2013, 08:21 PM

What a shame!!

jerseyden · 24 June 2013, 10:57 PM

He seems to have a nice little business selling car parts. Why would he jeopardize this by selling a watch he does not have? Maybe the account has be hacked. Just a thought.

cruvon · 24 June 2013, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jerseyden

He seems to have a nice little business selling car parts. Why would he jeopardize this by selling a watch he does not have? Maybe the account has be hacked. Just a thought.

Possible and hope EBay investigates, is a scary thought if it's a hacked account.

Frogman4me · 24 June 2013, 11:32 PM

What a shame. Good eye guys and sorry to hear that your photos were stolen Pav.

swish77 · 24 June 2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jerseyden

He seems to have a nice little business selling car parts. Why would he jeopardize this by selling a watch he does not have? Maybe the account has be hacked. Just a thought.

This "seller" didn't have any legitimate sales on eBay. (Only two very old, odd ones). All the feedback he or she got was as a buyer of car parts, not as a seller of anything. Man, what a scam. I hope this was reported and no money was sent. Sigh.

nycpassat · 25 June 2013, 01:46 AM

Most of those pics are Pav's photos and he is correct as I'm the new owner of his former Red Sub. I hope the winner didn't get hosed in the transaction :(

onkyo · 25 June 2013, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by nycpassat

Most of those pics are Pav's photos and he is correct as I'm the new owner of his former Red Sub. I hope the winner didn't get hosed in the transaction :(

Looking good ! Thanks for chiming in on this. Hope all is well.

onkyo · 25 June 2013, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Frogman4me

What a shame. Good eye guys and sorry to hear that your photos were stolen Pav.

David, I going to start watermarking my pics moving forward ....

Welshwatchman · 25 June 2013, 04:59 AM

Reported from the UK, no problem.

Hope that Ebay intervene before funds clear.

onkyo · 25 June 2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Reported from the UK, no problem.

Hope that Ebay intervene before funds clear.

Thanks for that Paul!!

24 June 2013, 12:26 AM	#1
cruvon "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4,689	All originall Red Sub? Was browsing thru" Aussie Ebay and came across this red sub, looks all original? Seller doesn't have the best pictures. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Rolex-168...64e277c&_uhb=1 __________________ Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before. ’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive. You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!

24 June 2013, 01:46 AM	#5
springer 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,451	There is no information identifying the year of the watch but it appears to have the Mark IV dial (2.45 million - 4 million serial numbers.) All of the accessories are missing except the box. From the photos, it seems to wear most of the original "parts" except the insert which appears to be a Rolex replacement. The watch looks very nice for its age. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

24 June 2013, 06:46 AM	#11
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,247	I have also seen those photos before Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

24 June 2013, 08:11 AM	#15
cruvon "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4,689	Wow, thanks guys, wonder what he would ship to the winning bidder! Him not showing more pics and a detailed desc. surely looked fishy, now we know the truth. Plus he's from remote Tasmania where the chances of tracking him down physically on a conned sale are bleak for most Aussie citysiders. Btw Pav, a very nice watch that am sure the actual owner is enjoying! __________________ Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before. ’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive. You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!

24 June 2013, 11:37 AM	#19
cruvon "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4,689	Hi Pav, reported! I suggest any other Aussie members here re report it for greater effect , there is a very small character count limit on the reporting post so just gave them this link with a few words as description. __________________ Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before. ’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive. You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!

24 June 2013, 12:34 AM	#2
Robi74 Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Robert Location: Sweden/Croatia Watch: 1675 gmt Posts: 96	Yeha, i have a huge problem with "dorks" selling watches and takes pics like this and thinks that it will sell!!! For me poffpoff pass.

24 June 2013, 12:39 AM	#3
swish77 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 7,084	I've seen far worse photos. You could always ask for more detailed shots, and for the money that this watch should fetch, that's highly recommended if you're considering it. I think it looks pretty nice, assuming that it's what it says it is.

24 June 2013, 01:53 AM	#6
Robbyvm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,239	Based on what i see in these few pics it looks in very nice condition!

24 June 2013, 02:59 AM	#7
BaltimoreBrian "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Brian Location: Towson, MD Watch: iZ Posts: 2,224	I think one of our TRF'ers was selling this a month or two ago. I remember looking at it with a friend. I remember these exact pics I thought it was being sold out if Ny or NJ

24 June 2013, 06:20 AM	#10
BaltimoreBrian "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Brian Location: Towson, MD Watch: iZ Posts: 2,224	Fraudulent sale!

24 June 2013, 06:55 AM	#12
BaltimoreBrian "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Brian Location: Towson, MD Watch: iZ Posts: 2,224	Those were ONKYO's pics from TRF, he has confirmed he already sold this piece, and it was a local sale to NJ/NY, not Australia. His pics were stolen

24 June 2013, 07:07 AM	#13
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Yes those are my pics! 100% fraudulent sale. Buyer was local guy here in NYC/NJ who still has watch. ps... my listing had >20 very detailed close up pics.

24 June 2013, 08:19 PM	#20
cruvon "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4,689	Damn, looks like somebody got conned, Ebaaaaaaay....... __________________ Last thing I remember, I was Running outta sight I had to find the passage back,To the place I was before. ’Relax,’ said this Rolex place,We are programmed to receive. You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave!

24 June 2013, 08:21 PM	#21
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2025 Titanium Yacht-Master Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,250	What a shame!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

24 June 2013, 10:57 PM	#22
jerseyden "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Den Location: Jersey CI Posts: 510	He seems to have a nice little business selling car parts. Why would he jeopardize this by selling a watch he does not have? Maybe the account has be hacked. Just a thought.

24 June 2013, 11:32 PM	#24
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	What a shame. Good eye guys and sorry to hear that your photos were stolen Pav.

25 June 2013, 01:46 AM	#26
nycpassat "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NYC/NJ Posts: 1,107	Most of those pics are Pav's photos and he is correct as I'm the new owner of his former Red Sub. I hope the winner didn't get hosed in the transaction :( Attached Images

25 June 2013, 04:59 AM	#29
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	Reported from the UK, no problem. Hope that Ebay intervene before funds clear.

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