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Sparkie · 2 July 2013, 04:39 AM

Hi all

I am looking at a Tudor 9411 Submariner from a local dealer, and the patina and size of the hands look pretty normal, but the colour of the hour markers look unusual (pinkish in colour), and there is a clear smudge at 4 and 7. The rectangular markers also look a little longer than other examples i have seen.

Although there were a lot of paint/laquer issues with early 7016 and 7012 dials, i have not yet seen this type of pinkish patina on the hour markers, or paint smudge on 9411's.

Any comments or thoughts would be much appreciated

964RS · 2 July 2013, 04:41 AM

Looks ALL wrong....

Dan Pierce · 2 July 2013, 04:54 AM

A 9411 reference has a date function.
Dial should read Prince Oysterdate.
Hands are too big and too long.
No reason to go on.
dP

Michael M. · 2 July 2013, 09:16 AM

Run!! Case is fake, dial is bad, hands are relumed at BEST...

HL65 · 2 July 2013, 09:18 AM

Errr no way!

drainaps · 2 July 2013, 09:23 AM

Hands are off. Pink dial patina is off. Crown guards are off. Run.

linesiders · 2 July 2013, 09:53 AM

This whole thing is bad. Nothing is correct. EVERYTHING is bad.

(I think I've seen this one the Bay before)

Frogman4me · 2 July 2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by linesiders

This whole thing is bad. Nothing is correct. EVERYTHING is bad.

(I think I've seen this one the Bay before)

+1

Run for the hills! It's fakezilla!

joe100 · 2 July 2013, 11:35 AM

Yeah, if it looks wrong it usually is wrong in the Rolex world. Snowflakes can be faked well but this is not one of them. Notice how it looks scrunched, wrong proportions.

michel33 · 2 July 2013, 12:00 PM

Everything is wrong, total fake, run as fast as you can away from this... thing.

John in MA · 2 July 2013, 12:55 PM

As others have said. Nothing is correct. That's an early fake from a couple of years ago. Key is the hour hand. It should be a square not a diamond shape

chorvath · 2 July 2013, 12:57 PM

Sigh. Sorry...

crowncollection · 2 July 2013, 02:25 PM

no good unfortunetly pass as others have said

Sparkie · 2 July 2013, 04:38 PM

I had my reservations, and the proportions and marker colour did not seem right. When i told the old fart (vintage watch dealer) the hour markers didn't seem right, he told me it was a factory fault and could add value...

I am Going to take GREAT pleasure telling them next time i go past.

Robbyvm · 2 July 2013, 07:42 PM

it could add value that's a good one !!

Brisman · 2 July 2013, 07:44 PM

Knappo 1307 · 2 July 2013, 11:16 PM

landroverking · 3 July 2013, 12:39 AM

These guys know vintage.

GeoGio Greece · 3 July 2013, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparkie

I had my reservations, and the proportions and marker colour did not seem right. When i told the old fart (vintage watch dealer) the hour markers didn't seem right, he told me it was a factory fault and could add value...

I am Going to take GREAT pleasure telling them next time i go past.

...ask him to open it to see the inside. Lets see what he will do !!!!

SPARTAN2161 · 3 July 2013, 02:27 PM

Run fast!

RC2 · 3 July 2013, 08:50 PM

Sprint far away

motoikkyu · 4 July 2013, 01:42 AM

Sad, these are great when they are real but this ain't!

Sparkie · 4 July 2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoGio Greece

...ask him to open it to see the inside. Lets see what he will do !!!!

HAHA, i cannot wait to see his face on the weekend when i tell him!

Jason71 · 4 July 2013, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparkie

HAHA, i cannot wait to see his face on the weekend when i tell him!

He will insist it is genuine and that you are misinformed. He will later sell it to some poor unsuspecting soul

Tom R · 5 July 2013, 12:14 AM

I've reported a local watch peddler for trying to force utter garbage on me on more than one occasion and lying through his horrible teeth.
It's not only very annoying, but let's not forget that it's also very illegal. Ignoring it only encourages it.

Don't know what the equivalent body in the states is, but Trading Standards here take things pretty seriously.
Likewise, if it's a registered company and they have some junk advertised online or on their website, report it to the Advertising Standards Agency. They come down pretty hard and pretty quickly as well.

vintagewaferthin · 5 July 2013, 01:16 AM

A total Pos!

Sparkie · 5 July 2013, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagewaferthin

A total Pos!

Haha, you mean "poes"? I see you know the bad words in Afrikaans!

I agree, we should not accept this, and after i have spoken to him i will consider reporting him to Rolex SA, or the agents. See first what he has to say when i tell him...

linesiders · 5 July 2013, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparkie

Haha, you mean "poes"? I see you know the bad words in Afrikaans!

I agree, we should not accept this, and after i have spoken to him i will consider reporting him to Rolex SA, or the agents. See first what he has to say when i tell him...

I think in this case by Pos he means: Piece of Scheize

2 July 2013, 04:54 AM	#3
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,175	A 9411 reference has a date function. Dial should read Prince Oysterdate. Hands are too big and too long. No reason to go on. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

2 July 2013, 09:18 AM	#5
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,989	Errr no way! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

2 July 2013, 09:53 AM	#7
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,499	This whole thing is bad. Nothing is correct. EVERYTHING is bad. (I think I've seen this one the Bay before) __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

2 July 2013, 11:35 AM	#9
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,838	Yeah, if it looks wrong it usually is wrong in the Rolex world. Snowflakes can be faked well but this is not one of them. Notice how it looks scrunched, wrong proportions. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

2 July 2013, 12:55 PM	#11
John in MA "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 862	As others have said. Nothing is correct. That's an early fake from a couple of years ago. Key is the hour hand. It should be a square not a diamond shape __________________ Formerly John in SC and John in TN How To: Remove a Tudor Pelagos Endlink in 60 Seconds or Less

2 July 2013, 04:41 AM	#2
964RS "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Jason Graham Location: UK Watch: Something vintage. Posts: 306	Looks ALL wrong....

2 July 2013, 09:16 AM	#4
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	Run!! Case is fake, dial is bad, hands are relumed at BEST...

2 July 2013, 09:23 AM	#6
drainaps "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Shanghai Watch: Too many to tell Posts: 522	Hands are off. Pink dial patina is off. Crown guards are off. Run.

2 July 2013, 12:00 PM	#10
michel33 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: france Posts: 796	Everything is wrong, total fake, run as fast as you can away from this... thing.

2 July 2013, 12:57 PM	#12
chorvath "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Columbus, Ohio Watch: 1973 Datejust Posts: 18	Sigh. Sorry...

2 July 2013, 02:25 PM	#13
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,215	no good unfortunetly pass as others have said __________________ watches many

2 July 2013, 04:38 PM	#14
Sparkie Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Mark Location: Nice, France Watch: GMT Posts: 45	I had my reservations, and the proportions and marker colour did not seem right. When i told the old fart (vintage watch dealer) the hour markers didn't seem right, he told me it was a factory fault and could add value... I am Going to take GREAT pleasure telling them next time i go past.

2 July 2013, 07:42 PM	#15
Robbyvm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,239	it could add value that's a good one !!

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2 July 2013, 11:16 PM	#17
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3 July 2013, 12:39 AM	#18
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3 July 2013, 02:27 PM	#20
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3 July 2013, 08:50 PM	#21
RC2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: NC Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 2,359	Sprint far away __________________ Rich Member of Nylon Nation Red Sox Nation Instagram watchguy97

4 July 2013, 01:42 AM	#22
motoikkyu 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: PRJ Posts: 1,732	Sad, these are great when they are real but this ain't!

5 July 2013, 12:14 AM	#25
Tom R "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: UK Watch: 216570 & 1601 Posts: 236	I've reported a local watch peddler for trying to force utter garbage on me on more than one occasion and lying through his horrible teeth. It's not only very annoying, but let's not forget that it's also very illegal. Ignoring it only encourages it. Don't know what the equivalent body in the states is, but Trading Standards here take things pretty seriously. Likewise, if it's a registered company and they have some junk advertised online or on their website, report it to the Advertising Standards Agency. They come down pretty hard and pretty quickly as well.

5 July 2013, 01:16 AM	#26
vintagewaferthin "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Earth Watch: Air-King 5500 Posts: 2,620	A total Pos!

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