Are we very forgiving ?

[jojosnr]

After reading many problems and also experiencing some myself, yet I see many are very forgiving. Is the brand loyalty so strong that one overlook real issues? Just my experience and observation.

[Bartosz]

When You spend more than 20k$ for watch You must be forgiving
I had AP Diver but it was uncomfortable, accuracy was bad (+15sek/day), I sold it, now I have SubC and I forgot about all above problems.

[texex91]

Did the issues not get fixed by AP? If so, then now you have a perfect watch.

[diver2012]

Any problems do seem to occur within the warranty period - so once fixed (free of charge) the watches appear to be trouble free. I can't remember reading about a problem being fixed and then occurring again.

It is frustrating - but if something doesn't go wrong in 3 years...the chances are it's not suddenly going to.

I have had my Diver for 9 months now - no problems at all and runs +6 secs a day fast which is fine by me.

[VICI]

Had an issue w my 15400 (running fast) sent to Clearwater - now I have a perfect running watch.

Own a ROO that keeps perfect time.

These watches are like high end cars - driving a corvette is nice, but oh how that lambo purrs!

[SMD]

I understand the point about it being covered under warranty and being fixed, but I would suspect that most/all other manufacturers would also do the same. So I don't give AP a pat on the back for that except to the extent their service center is more pleasant to deal with. This really seems to be a QC issue more than anything else, and it should be something they should be able to address fairly easily. In my case, albeit one anecdote, I have purchased 2 APs this year from two different ADs, and both had to be sent back for service within the first month -- the first the quick date set did not work from day 1 and the second is running 2 minutes fast per day when worn (but fine when not worn). Both had the Cal 3120, which seems to be the movement that is reported (on this forum) to have the most problems. I have not seen, but would be curious to hear from others, whether they have had issues with the Cal 3126.

So, clearly I (and others) are being forgiving, whether its too forgiving is up to each of us. I will probably think long and hard before buying another 3120 based AP, but to be honest I probably will still buy another. At the end of the day if I really like the watch I will overlook these issues, but that is not to say I don't expect better from AP.

[diver2012]

I guess the 3120 is a new movement and with any new design (be it watch...car...plane...) - there are always small problems which are discovered over time.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by diver2012

I guess the 3120 is a new movement and with any new design (be it watch...car...plane...) - there are always small problems which are discovered over time.

I think the 3120 was introduced in 2003 so one would think the kinks would have been worked out by now.

[diver2012]

Originally Posted by SMD

I think the 3120 was introduced in 2003 so one would think the kinks would have been worked out by now.

My mistake - for some reason I thought it was more recent than that.

[kilyung]

Yes, I love my wife (quirks and all). I don't see my APs any differently and at least I can fix their quirks.

[Samma]

i have some issue with the 3120 too...
my diver runs 30s ahead per day, than i reach apcs for fixing. they told me the movement is magnetized. after fixinging, its running +6s per day after. after 2 weeks normal wearing daily. now its running 16s ahead per day again. shall i insist a full check and cal for my watch? or its okay i should forget that.
cheers
sam

[Soly20]

I've had no issues so far. No need for forgiveness yet. However, if anything was to happen, I think I would be forgiving because of all the pleasure I am getting out of wearing an AP.

[TSW]

After about 5 AP's with no issues and perfecting timing i don't need to forgiving.

[rolexington]

If anything I think we are forgiving that we still currently hold AP in such high esteem when they appear to be losing their way design-wise and are becoming a bit less classy.

I mean a custom version for Arnold Schwarzenegger? Please


They are risking becoming tacky and gaudy... a la Zenith before Dufour took over.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by rolexington

they appear to be losing their way design-wise and are becoming a bit less classy.

They are risking becoming tacky and gaudy...

Hmmm, ok, no comment

[Manofsteelpt]

I've had no probs with either of my AP's (knock on wood), so I love them to death.

That being said, IF I had some quirky problem that should've been picked up by their QC inspector and wasn't, I don't think I'd be as forgiving.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by rolexington

If anything I think we are forgiving that we still currently hold AP in such high esteem when they appear to be losing their way design-wise and are becoming a bit less classy.

I mean a custom version for Arnold Schwarzenegger? Please

They are risking becoming tacky and gaudy... a la Zenith before Dufour took over.

Huh? I don't see where AP is losing their vision or class. Sure they have some "interesting" SE/LEs but so do many other companies. These SE/LEs don't necessarily presage design direction.

I blame Zenith's past issues on Nataf. AP's Bennahmias is no Nataf. He understands AP owners and I expect to see good things from AP in the coming years.

[rolexington]

Sorry Paul. I am a still a fan of AP for now. But I stand by my comment.

[masterserg]

Yeah, maybe ... but as long as they stand behind their product I have no problem.

There's a bit of lint under the crystal of my brand new Diver ... but I had worse with other brands.

[h999r]

At the end of the day .... It's an awesome watch compare to others. :)

[masterserg]

Originally Posted by h999r

At the end of the day .... It's an awesome watch compare to others. :)

Yep ... AP makes a very nice watch ... bad lume and all :)

[Watchguy69]

Yes, I think owning the current crop of ROOs requires a degree of forgiveness. The watches are desirable primarily for their design and pedigree, which is why I've kept mine, despite 3 out of 4 running fast. I've not owned any other watches, in higher and lower price ranges, that were as finicky (they don't seem to like winders). That many owners accept sending a new watch to service for improved accuracy or broken crowns speaks of the leniency they have for AP; I think that's unacceptable. It certainly discourages another purchase until something changes.


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[AK797]

Originally Posted by rolexington

Sorry Paul. I am a still a fan of AP for now. But I stand by my comment.

This is nothing compared to the gaytona-leopard-too-much-even-for-Elton John monstrosities that Rolex come out with Don't judge any brand by the extreme parts of their collection.

[oilman666]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Yes, I love my wife (quirks and all). I don't see my APs any differently and at least I can fix their quirks.

wise words indeed...

[SMD]

Originally Posted by watchguy69

that many owners accept sending a new watch to service for improved accuracy or broken crowns speaks of the leniency they have for ap; i think that's unacceptable. It certainly discourages another purchase until something changes.


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+1

[oilman666]

Are there alot of problems with the ROO cal 3126/3840, how about the 2385 movement of the ROC? I am thinking of getting a ROO over a ROC. Any advise would be helpful.

[jojosnr]

Looks like views are quite segmented, a little biased towards forgiving. I for one will not touch another AP with a ten feet pole. One is too many. I am not biased but at a certain price levels I think I should not have to visit the service centre, at least not within the warranty period. But I see quite a number had to within the first months. i had the pleasure to do it three times within two months. Yes the service is good, but a serviced watch is also no longer perfect. I also did not purchase a high end watch to look forward to good service at the service centre.

[cdnyc]

Originally Posted by oilman666

Are there alot of problems with the ROO cal 3126/3840, how about the 2385 movement of the ROC? I am thinking of getting a ROO over a ROC. Any advise would be helpful.

No problems with my ROC after a year. It's usually +1 second/day!!

[FightOnSC!]

let's not forget these are hand assembled. there will be inconsistencies at times. it's not as if the stores these watches are sold in wear them around and test them before they are sold. i've had issues with 3/4 of my APs but quite honestly, nothing APSC can't fix. and once they are fixed, they are solid.

it just requires a "tune up" after purchase is how I see em. and at the same time, they're not reliability issues, they're just minor quirks that are easily fixed, nothing that screams long term or a "lemon".

[texex91]

Originally Posted by jojosnr

. I for one will not touch another AP with a ten feet pole.

Sounds good--have fun in the Omega or whichever forum thread you prefer.

AP isn't for everyone--thankfully.