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Puffy · 28 July 2013, 09:00 PM

For almost a year I've been trying to decide which AP to get. They're all so nice- and since I started looking the one I like the most, 15300ST, has been discontinued not making the search any easier

So I've been eyeing out the 15400 as a back up to the 15300 but not sold on how the design has evolved. Like Patrick/PSV put it, the 15400 is how the Sub-> SubC came about.

London must be Europe's watch mecca. not the brand or reference that can't be found and here are some of the ones I tried on yesterday to hopefully complete the quest for the next grail (until the next grail comes along!)...

my conclusion is at the bottom

New 15400 left, older 15300s (dual times) centre and right

all great looking, RG the winner

15400 and dual time. dual time is great, useful complication. here they almost look the same size

now this is nice

proportions are how it's meant to look

two classic designs - 39mm next to 40mm

this watch is unreal. the dial is a bloody avant garde mess but comes together nicely

perfect

now onto the 15400. the dial is more of a silvery/creamy colour that sparkles. i like the stick dial and the AP logo sitting under 12. date window strangely small

i really love the bracelet

big wrist presence. slightly off-white/silver colour

very big wrist presence when comparing to 40mm

almost the size of a sundial!

some 15300 pics from a previous trying on session. nice flat white dial that doesn't sparkle

sits very well balanced on the wrist. lots of padding at 12 and 6

the benefits of the 15400 is a larger dial, stick markers all the way round inc at 12, AP logo more centred which all give a cleaner look.

the trade-offs, to me, are a more silvery and flashy dial. i'm not keen on wrist presence. the date window is also too small and while the extra two mm don't seem like a lot, the 15400 appears a lot bigger than the 15300s

the 15300's proportions work better for my wrist. i also think the dial is nice and the white more low key. now if only i could find a 15300

mailman · 28 July 2013, 09:04 PM

I think the 15300 fits your wrist better also

The date wheel almost looks lost on the 15400.

Puffy · 28 July 2013, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

I think the 15300 fits your wrist better also

The date wheel almost looks lost on the 15400.

yep definitely. it's designed to be 39mm and while the 15400 is great, i wouldn't be happy 100% happy with the upgrades.

the 15400 actually looks enormous when on the wrist

benlee · 28 July 2013, 09:18 PM

I think the Dual Time looks the nicest.

orangejuicy · 28 July 2013, 10:04 PM

For me it was also about finding a 15300 that had the updated bracelet, which made the search more difficult. While the older "AP logo" clasp seemed decent enough, the newer bracelet and clasp felt so much more solid. I also just tried on a black dial 15400 again recently and it felt really well proportioned, mind you this is after wearing the diver for weeks. I still think the 15300 dial is more balanced and probably the better fit. Hmm, I guess I don't have a point to this, just that I understand your pain :) Best of luck, Puff.

texex91 · 28 July 2013, 10:32 PM

Good luck finding one--nice pics!

travisb · 28 July 2013, 10:49 PM

Although I'm more of a fan of the 15400, I gotta say that the 15300 looks perfect on you.

Both are winners.

steveclocks · 28 July 2013, 11:00 PM

maybe another darker coloured dial would make it look smaller to you?
Ever tried that?

Tony-GB · 28 July 2013, 11:02 PM

Anders, have you tried contacting AP themselves? I'm sure you know where they are already:

Floor 5, 3 Hanover Square. London. W1S 1HD

Tel: 020 7659 7300

The official site still has the 15300 listed but states "Availability to be confirmed".

samsmart · 28 July 2013, 11:11 PM

What do the ADs say when you are taking that many pictures of different watches?

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Puffy · 28 July 2013, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveclocks

maybe another darker coloured dial would make it look smaller to you?
Ever tried that?

I have enough dark dial watches.. love the white

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony-GB

Anders, have you tried contacting AP themselves? I'm sure you know where they are already:

Floor 5, 3 Hanover Square. London. W1S 1HD

Tel: 020 7659 7300

The official site still has the 15300 listed but states "Availability to be confirmed".

Thanks mate. Yes also tried calling switzerland. No longer made... im sure some ADs have them in their safe though

Quote:

Originally Posted by samsmart

What do the ADs say when you are taking that many pictures of different watches?

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They encourage it!

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kilyung · 28 July 2013, 11:20 PM

The 15300 is my preference.

nick c · 28 July 2013, 11:29 PM

White dial in nice

B. Doggy · 29 July 2013, 01:36 AM

I'm with you on the 15300 proportions.

aquajoe · 29 July 2013, 02:54 AM

While those are amazing pieces, it appears you walked into the place with the real grail (at least for me) already strapped to your wrist. That 5711 is what really makes me drool. ;-)

B. Doggy · 29 July 2013, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquajoe

While those are amazing pieces, it appears you walked into the place with the real grail (at least for me) already strapped to your wrist. That 5711 is what really makes me drool. ;-)

+1

Soly20 · 29 July 2013, 05:55 AM

The RG Dual Time looks nice.

111forza · 29 July 2013, 08:19 AM

15300 is perfect fit

Looks like you had a good time in Marcus

It sure is the place for AP

I would think if anyone can find 15300 they will

AK797 · 29 July 2013, 08:46 AM

Whatever you pick go RG.

T.S.Eliot · 29 July 2013, 08:56 AM

Not a fan of the 41 and I think it looses proportions when you own a 39. The 15202 is my pic and is the ultimate RO as intended by its designer.

Andrés G · 29 July 2013, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T.S.Eliot

Not a fan of the 41 and I think it looses proportions when you own a 39. The 15202 is my pic and is the ultimate RO as intended by its designer.

I agree. Why don't you get a Jumbo? My favorite RO (with a 39mm case) and the original Genta design.

belk7 · 29 July 2013, 09:48 AM

You've just gotta hang in there and be patient. That white 15300 is out there, and based on a couple of threads, it really seems to be what your heart is set on. It will feel SOOOO right when you finally get it.

texex91 · 29 July 2013, 11:04 AM

Anders

This is your second post recently (other is here https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=306514)--think you want the 15300 so get it.

You know what you want right?

You have made it clear you don't like larger watches, so 15300 is perfect for you--I think.

FeelingTheBlues · 29 July 2013, 12:13 PM

The RG one definitely wins the match in my book Anders.

Hairdude1 · 29 July 2013, 02:38 PM

Great pics! I love the 15300

Rob_b · 29 July 2013, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belk7

You've just gotta hang in there and be patient. That white 15300 is out there, and based on a couple of threads, it really seems to be what your heart is set on. It will feel SOOOO right when you finally get it.

X2

IMHO, I think the 15300 is a much underrated piece for that, under the radar look/wrist presence and feel

I whole heartedly concur with your conclusion

zeuloa · 29 July 2013, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquajoe

While those are amazing pieces, it appears you walked into the place with the real grail (at least for me) already strapped to your wrist. That 5711 is what really makes me drool. ;-)

X2.... The best of them!

MP5 · 29 July 2013, 04:36 PM

I would love a 15400 and wouldnt complain but the 15300 has it beat all over IMO

jolimont · 29 July 2013, 07:19 PM

thanks for the pics, whatever you decide, i'm sure you will not regret it !

TSW · 29 July 2013, 08:26 PM

15300 is the winner in this group imo

28 July 2013, 09:00 PM	#1
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	Trying on some great pieces in London For almost a year I've been trying to decide which AP to get. They're all so nice- and since I started looking the one I like the most, 15300ST, has been discontinued not making the search any easier So I've been eyeing out the 15400 as a back up to the 15300 but not sold on how the design has evolved. Like Patrick/PSV put it, the 15400 is how the Sub-> SubC came about. London must be Europe's watch mecca. not the brand or reference that can't be found and here are some of the ones I tried on yesterday to hopefully complete the quest for the next grail (until the next grail comes along!)... my conclusion is at the bottom New 15400 left, older 15300s (dual times) centre and right all great looking, RG the winner 15400 and dual time. dual time is great, useful complication. here they almost look the same size now this is nice proportions are how it's meant to look two classic designs - 39mm next to 40mm this watch is unreal. the dial is a bloody avant garde mess but comes together nicely perfect now onto the 15400. the dial is more of a silvery/creamy colour that sparkles. i like the stick dial and the AP logo sitting under 12. date window strangely small i really love the bracelet big wrist presence. slightly off-white/silver colour very big wrist presence when comparing to 40mm almost the size of a sundial! some 15300 pics from a previous trying on session. nice flat white dial that doesn't sparkle sits very well balanced on the wrist. lots of padding at 12 and 6 the benefits of the 15400 is a larger dial, stick markers all the way round inc at 12, AP logo more centred which all give a cleaner look. the trade-offs, to me, are a more silvery and flashy dial. i'm not keen on wrist presence. the date window is also too small and while the extra two mm don't seem like a lot, the 15400 appears a lot bigger than the 15300s the 15300's proportions work better for my wrist. i also think the dial is nice and the white more low key. now if only i could find a 15300 __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

28 July 2013, 09:04 PM	#2
mailman TRF Moderator & 2025 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: BLNR Posts: 35,552	I think the 15300 fits your wrist better also The date wheel almost looks lost on the 15400. __________________ JJ

28 July 2013, 11:02 PM	#9
Tony-GB "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Tony Location: Oxfordshire, UK Watch: 116680 & 116622 Posts: 3,953	Anders, have you tried contacting AP themselves? I'm sure you know where they are already: Floor 5, 3 Hanover Square. London. W1S 1HD Tel: 020 7659 7300 The official site still has the 15300 listed but states "Availability to be confirmed". __________________ "...why oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...?" http://www.helenanddouglas.org.uk/ www.cheetah.org

29 July 2013, 01:36 AM	#14
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	I'm with you on the 15300 proportions. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

29 July 2013, 08:56 AM	#20
T.S.Eliot "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: K Location: KSA Watch: aholic Posts: 1,499	Not a fan of the 41 and I think it looses proportions when you own a 39. The 15202 is my pic and is the ultimate RO as intended by its designer. __________________ "Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead, / Forgot the cry of gulls, and the deep seas swell / And the profit and loss. / A current under sea / Picked his bones in whispers. / As he rose and fell / He passed the stages of his age and youth / Entering the whirlpool. / Gentile or Jew / O you who turn the wheel and look to windward, / Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you." Cheers, K

28 July 2013, 09:18 PM	#4
benlee "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ben Location: SIN & JKT Watch: Rolex, AP, PP Posts: 9,874	I think the Dual Time looks the nicest.

28 July 2013, 10:04 PM	#5
orangejuicy "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Jordan Location: New York City Watch: less for now Posts: 556	For me it was also about finding a 15300 that had the updated bracelet, which made the search more difficult. While the older "AP logo" clasp seemed decent enough, the newer bracelet and clasp felt so much more solid. I also just tried on a black dial 15400 again recently and it felt really well proportioned, mind you this is after wearing the diver for weeks. I still think the 15300 dial is more balanced and probably the better fit. Hmm, I guess I don't have a point to this, just that I understand your pain :) Best of luck, Puff.

28 July 2013, 10:32 PM	#6
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	Good luck finding one--nice pics!

28 July 2013, 10:49 PM	#7
travisb "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,802	Although I'm more of a fan of the 15400, I gotta say that the 15300 looks perfect on you. Both are winners.

28 July 2013, 11:00 PM	#8
steveclocks "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Geert Location: Belgium Watch: rolex/JLC/panerai Posts: 5,612	maybe another darker coloured dial would make it look smaller to you? Ever tried that?

28 July 2013, 11:11 PM	#10
samsmart "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: sam Location: Dallas, TX Watch: Me Tint Posts: 3,777	What do the ADs say when you are taking that many pictures of different watches? Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

28 July 2013, 11:20 PM	#12
kilyung "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,950	The 15300 is my preference.

28 July 2013, 11:29 PM	#13
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	White dial in nice

29 July 2013, 02:54 AM	#15
aquajoe Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Joe Location: Texas Posts: 107	While those are amazing pieces, it appears you walked into the place with the real grail (at least for me) already strapped to your wrist. That 5711 is what really makes me drool. ;-)

29 July 2013, 05:55 AM	#17
Soly20 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Soly Location: UK/US Watch: Rolex, AP, PP Posts: 3,089	The RG Dual Time looks nice.

29 July 2013, 08:19 AM	#18
111forza "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: uk Posts: 2,683	15300 is perfect fit Looks like you had a good time in Marcus It sure is the place for AP I would think if anyone can find 15300 they will

29 July 2013, 08:46 AM	#19
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Whatever you pick go RG.

29 July 2013, 09:48 AM	#22
belk7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Chris Location: USA Posts: 1,439	You've just gotta hang in there and be patient. That white 15300 is out there, and based on a couple of threads, it really seems to be what your heart is set on. It will feel SOOOO right when you finally get it.

29 July 2013, 11:04 AM	#23
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	Anders This is your second post recently (other is here https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=306514)--think you want the 15300 so get it. You know what you want right? You have made it clear you don't like larger watches, so 15300 is perfect for you--I think.

29 July 2013, 12:13 PM	#24
FeelingTheBlues "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Carl Location: Always moving Watch: If you wish... Posts: 22,039	The RG one definitely wins the match in my book Anders. __________________ Mon corps c'est un pays en guerre sur l'point d'finir, Le général de l'armée de terre s'attend au pire, J'ai faim, j'ai frette, je suis trop faible pour me lever debout, On va hisser le drapeau blanc un point c'est tout. - André Fortin

29 July 2013, 02:38 PM	#25
Hairdude1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Alex Location: Chicago Watch: AP,PP, Rolex Posts: 37,156	Great pics! I love the 15300

29 July 2013, 04:36 PM	#28
MP5 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: ATX Posts: 2,887	I would love a 15400 and wouldnt complain but the 15300 has it beat all over IMO

29 July 2013, 07:19 PM	#29
jolimont "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Will Location: land of oz Watch: sundial Posts: 2,219	thanks for the pics, whatever you decide, i'm sure you will not regret it !

29 July 2013, 08:26 PM	#30
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	15300 is the winner in this group imo __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

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