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Old Expat Beast · 9 June 2014, 01:57 PM

Most of my Rolex watches...old and new...take about 10 to 15 winds to start up (after they have stopped). But my 16710 GMT takes more than 40 to get going. Is this normal? It was serviced by RSC earlier this year.

Thanks,
Adam

crowncollection · 10 June 2014, 03:38 PM

do you mean it needs a little shake to start up or won't start at all until 40 winds ?

Mickyfin · 10 June 2014, 03:42 PM

A good movement should fire up running with just 8-10 winds.

GerardoG · 10 June 2014, 03:44 PM

Maybe movement related? I found that my just serviced DD 118238 also takes 30+ to start, while my DJ 16233 only 4-5.

Old Expat Beast · 10 June 2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

do you mean it needs a little shake to start up or won't start at all until 40 winds ?

It doesn't start at all until after 40 winds.

crowncollection · 10 June 2014, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

It doesn't start at all until after 40 winds.

Unusual IMHO Adam.

Old Expat Beast · 10 June 2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crowncollection

Unusual IMHO Adam.

Same here...might take it back in as it's still under RSC warranty. I know what'll happen though...I'll sit down with the person there and it'll start running after three winds.

MonBK · 10 June 2014, 04:32 PM

I wouldn't worry about it.

T. Ferguson · 10 June 2014, 04:36 PM

My 3186 takes about 16-18 til ignition. Keeps great time. Others like the 3135 in my 16610 Sub turn over in about 6-8 revolutions of the crown.

Old Expat Beast · 10 June 2014, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

My 3186 takes about 16-18 til ignition. Keeps great time. Others like the 3135 in my 16610 Sub turn over in about 6-8 revolutions of the crown.

My 5513 starts just by picking it up...I'm sure (I hope) there's a simple explanation as to why some take longer than others.

MonBK · 10 June 2014, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

My 5513 starts just by picking it up...I'm sure (I hope) there's a simple explanation as to why some take longer than others.

There is one posted but for the moment I can't find it.

Old Expat Beast · 10 June 2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

There is one posted but for the moment I can't find it.

Thanks for looking anyway.

Vincent65 · 10 June 2014, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

It doesn't start at all until after 40 winds.

this doesn't seem right to me, I'd take it back and get it looked at

crowncollection · 10 June 2014, 06:28 PM

I know what'll happen though...I'll sit down with the person there and it'll start running after three winds.[/QUOTE]

This is always the way lol

JohnAcosta · 10 June 2014, 11:35 PM

My 16710 took about 10-12 full rotations of the crown to start the movement when I first received it. OP, when you 40 rotations, are you talking about full complete rotations of the crown?

Old Expat Beast · 10 June 2014, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnAcosta

My 16710 took about 10-12 full rotations of the crown to start the movement when I first received it. OP, when you 40 rotations, are you talking about full complete rotations of the crown?

A normal wind, which, looking at the logo on the crown, is very nearly a full 360 turn. X40.

StanGMT · 11 June 2014, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

My 5513 starts just by picking it up...I'm sure (I hope) there's a simple explanation as to why some take longer than others.

Hi Adam,

Does it keep good, consistent, time once it is running? If it does, that suggests that there isn't much wrong with the movement. I can't claim to know much about the winder mechanisms on different Rolex movements but I wonder if the gearing is different between movements - that could explain why some take more winds than others.

I don't know how many winds my 1675 takes to get started because I always wear it - it's never stopped in 47 years!

Stan.

Cesium133 · 11 June 2014, 11:47 AM

Interesting. My (year old) 3136 movement takes about 20 winds to get going. My Omega & ETA movements only take about 5 winds.

Starbucksboss · 11 June 2014, 01:10 PM

If everything else is OK might be you just are very gentle when winding ie. Keeping it very still?

Old Expat Beast · 11 June 2014, 09:07 PM

Input from any watchmakers would be very much appreciated. Thank you.

hchj · 19 June 2014, 12:23 AM

Hey, I was wondering the same thing this morning. It took at least 20 turns for my sub ND( 3130 movement I believe) to move. Normal eta movements will start to sweep after 10 turns.
I'm not very experience in Rolex so I hope someone can shed more lights on this phenomenon...thanks.

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Friar · 19 June 2014, 02:21 AM

Started up my Exp I 214270 yesterday and it took 30 winds for the second hand to start ticking. The watch is less than three months old. In the past, when it didn't start when I thought it should, I've tapped the case with my finger and it's started. Mindful of your post, I didn't tap it yesterday.

rmfnla · 19 June 2014, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Friar

Started up my Exp I 214270 yesterday and it took 30 winds for the second hand to start ticking. The watch is less than three months old. In the past, when it didn't start when I thought it should, I've tapped the case with my finger and it's started. Mindful of your post, I didn't tap it yesterday.

It is not unusual for a watch to need a slight tap or shake to get it going...

Rikki · 19 June 2014, 04:27 AM

Sounds like the pallets are dry or drier than they should be. The escape wheel needs to slide off the pallet stones to start the balance wheel turning if dry, shaking will get going then you need to look at amplitude, dry stones will give a much lower amplitude than properly greased stones. Rikki

handsfull · 19 June 2014, 05:29 AM

^^ Rik nailed it. IMO, that is unsat. Rolex should service the movement free of charge if it's within the warranty period.

Old Expat Beast · 19 June 2014, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikki

Sounds like the pallets are dry or drier than they should be. The escape wheel needs to slide off the pallet stones to start the balance wheel turning if dry, shaking will get going then you need to look at amplitude, dry stones will give a much lower amplitude than properly greased stones. Rikki

Thanks very much Rik.

rmfnla · 20 June 2014, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rikki

Sounds like the pallets are dry or drier than they should be. The escape wheel needs to slide off the pallet stones to start the balance wheel turning if dry, shaking will get going then you need to look at amplitude, dry stones will give a much lower amplitude than properly greased stones. Rikki

I love when you or Vanessa weigh in; that's when I learn the coolest stuff.

Thanks!

badass09 · 4 July 2014, 09:09 PM

Mine takes about 10 to 15 turns of the crown to start the movement...

bearone2 · 19 July 2014, 06:32 AM

my 1655 was in a box for 31 years, taking out for pics recently, the 2nd hand started moving.

AJMarcus · 20 July 2014, 01:01 PM

I wouldn't worry provided it starts AND keeps accurate time. Keep in mind the watch is man made. They all differ to some extent.

9 June 2014, 01:57 PM	#1
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2025 SubTT Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: 22° N, 114° E Watch: WS1200H-3AV Posts: 29,501	How many winds to start? Most of my Rolex watches...old and new...take about 10 to 15 winds to start up (after they have stopped). But my 16710 GMT takes more than 40 to get going. Is this normal? It was serviced by RSC earlier this year. Thanks, Adam

10 June 2014, 03:38 PM	#2
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,268	do you mean it needs a little shake to start up or won't start at all until 40 winds ? __________________ watches many

10 June 2014, 04:36 PM	#9
T. Ferguson "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Left Coast Posts: 7,025	My 3186 takes about 16-18 til ignition. Keeps great time. Others like the 3135 in my 16610 Sub turn over in about 6-8 revolutions of the crown. __________________ *Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.*

10 June 2014, 06:28 PM	#14
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,268	I know what'll happen though...I'll sit down with the person there and it'll start running after three winds.[/QUOTE] This is always the way lol __________________ watches many

19 June 2014, 04:27 AM	#24
Rikki TechXpert Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rik Dietel Location: Seminole Fla Watch: 5512 s/s Sub Posts: 1,818	Sounds like the pallets are dry or drier than they should be. The escape wheel needs to slide off the pallet stones to start the balance wheel turning if dry, shaking will get going then you need to look at amplitude, dry stones will give a much lower amplitude than properly greased stones. Rikki __________________ Century 21 Certified watchmaker Omega Service Provider Trained Omega OWME Certified. Rolex Parts Account Holder.

10 June 2014, 03:42 PM	#3
Mickyfin "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Michael Location: Suomi Watch: Planet Ocean Posts: 334	A good movement should fire up running with just 8-10 winds.

10 June 2014, 03:44 PM	#4
GerardoG Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Gerardo Location: Here Watch: ALL of them Posts: 32,098	Maybe movement related? I found that my just serviced DD 118238 also takes 30+ to start, while my DJ 16233 only 4-5.

10 June 2014, 04:32 PM	#8
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,277	I wouldn't worry about it.

10 June 2014, 11:35 PM	#15
JohnAcosta "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Louisiana Watch: GMTII/Panda Speedy Posts: 286	My 16710 took about 10-12 full rotations of the crown to start the movement when I first received it. OP, when you 40 rotations, are you talking about full complete rotations of the crown?

11 June 2014, 11:47 AM	#18
Cesium133 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: USA Posts: 2,037	Interesting. My (year old) 3136 movement takes about 20 winds to get going. My Omega & ETA movements only take about 5 winds.

11 June 2014, 01:10 PM	#19
Starbucksboss Banned Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Reno Posts: 1,028	If everything else is OK might be you just are very gentle when winding ie. Keeping it very still?

11 June 2014, 09:07 PM	#20
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2025 SubTT Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: 22° N, 114° E Watch: WS1200H-3AV Posts: 29,501	Input from any watchmakers would be very much appreciated. Thank you.

19 June 2014, 12:23 AM	#21
hchj "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Singapore Posts: 230	Hey, I was wondering the same thing this morning. It took at least 20 turns for my sub ND( 3130 movement I believe) to move. Normal eta movements will start to sweep after 10 turns. I'm not very experience in Rolex so I hope someone can shed more lights on this phenomenon...thanks. Sent from my GT-I8160 using Tapatalk 2

19 June 2014, 02:21 AM	#22
Friar "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Gary Location: Oregon Watch: 214270 216570 Posts: 707	Started up my Exp I 214270 yesterday and it took 30 winds for the second hand to start ticking. The watch is less than three months old. In the past, when it didn't start when I thought it should, I've tapped the case with my finger and it's started. Mindful of your post, I didn't tap it yesterday.

19 June 2014, 05:29 AM	#25
handsfull "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: J Location: The great Midwest Watch: youlookinat? Posts: 2,369	^^ Rik nailed it. IMO, that is unsat. Rolex should service the movement free of charge if it's within the warranty period.

4 July 2014, 09:09 PM	#28
badass09 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: prabhu Location: singapore Watch: ROLEX 116613LBD Posts: 713	Mine takes about 10 to 15 turns of the crown to start the movement...

19 July 2014, 06:32 AM	#29
bearone2 Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Arizona Watch: 116713LN Posts: 402	my 1655 was in a box for 31 years, taking out for pics recently, the 2nd hand started moving.

20 July 2014, 01:01 PM	#30
AJMarcus "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: AJ Location: USA Watch: Swiss Posts: 5,269	I wouldn't worry provided it starts AND keeps accurate time. Keep in mind the watch is man made. They all differ to some extent.

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