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watchboy · 9 April 2008, 05:49 AM

Hi All,

There is a seller in the sales corner selling a 16613 TT Sub P series! I am many others were conned by him! He uses a lot of different name and also Gmail based emails.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=37451

His username here now is "no1panerai"! I smelt fishy and indeed it was this same a**hole!!!! Why I know cos he uses the same pic that he provided me and many many others!!!

Also please be aware that he is not only selling his 16613 but a white Daytona SS too! He might have both watches and they are authentic but he is ALL OUT to swindle your money! I and many others had lodged police reports and internet fraud against him!!!

He is trying to build up his posts in forums by participating some threads and posts. And he does not have any good feedbacks from fellow members. All he will give are emails that he himself made it up!!!

PLEASE STAY AWAY!!!

PS: To the owners and moderators here, I have all the evidence against him and I am not blaspheming some individual.

For those who fell victims of him, please email me at greeklander@gmail.com. The other victims and I are gathering as much infos as possible to nail that scumbag.

tazzy1 · 9 April 2008, 05:53 AM

no one here will fall for a 16613 P series at $3,400 if it walks like a duck :)

f16570 · 9 April 2008, 05:56 AM

Cheers Jacky.

frostie · 9 April 2008, 05:56 AM

Well the mods are going to take care of him

BiG JeEzY · 9 April 2008, 05:58 AM

The watch looks authentic from the pics but that can be misleading because sometimes scammers tend to send what is not in the pictures anyway.

I hope this situation gets taken care of soon.

watchboy · 9 April 2008, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazzy1

no one here will fall for a 16613 P series at $3,400 if it walks like a duck :)

Tom you will be surprised. I am on the net for watches for 4 years now and I thought I would not fall again for one, as I was burnt before many years back. But I did, thanks to my stupidity and greediness!

A Doctor from Denmark was conned by him too for a SS DAYTONA for around $10k or so. He is not so stupid as he priced his watch next the market prices. There are many more who were conned by him.

Btw, the name that he used in my case was CHRIS JOHNSON, from CALGARY, ALBERTA, CANADA!!!

He has used a few others names too! BEWARE!!!

watchboy · 9 April 2008, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiG JeEzY

The watch looks authentic from the pics but that can be misleading because sometimes scammers tend to send what is not in the pictures anyway.

I hope this situation gets taken care of soon.

I believe that he has this watch! He sent me maybe about 8-10 pics and with a certificate too! But once your do the bank wire and even by PAYPAL (which I did), you can say BYE BYE to your money!!!

We (the victims) are teaming up to catch him and he is going down soon! The thing is that he still has the F guts to go on doing this dirty scam!!!

Maybe the next one he will scam will be his last one.........cos after that he will be RUN OVER BY A TRUCK!!!!!

watchboy · 9 April 2008, 06:09 AM

Also please read this too which I posted my case in WUS:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthr...light=watchboy

Welshwatchman · 9 April 2008, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchboy

I believe that he has this watch! He sent me maybe about 8-10 pics and with a certificate too! But once your do the bank wire and even by PAYPAL (which I did), you can say BYE BYE to your money!!!

We (the victims) are teaming up to catch him and he is going down soon! The thing is that he still has the F guts to go on doing this dirty scam!!!

Maybe the next one he will scam will be his last one.........cos after that he will be RUN OVER BY A TRUCK!!!!!

I have unapproved the post.

Can you send me all the information you have by PM so that I can show the other mods?

We need to have our facts straight before we ban him completely.

CoopJr · 9 April 2008, 06:14 AM

There is stuff about this guy on watchnet too. I thought the price was too low but did not want to comment. Kudos for bringing this up. If he is a scammer, the Mods will have this guy smoked out of his hole PDQ.

MartinK · 9 April 2008, 06:35 AM

I was in dialogue to buy this item from him, glad I didn't!
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=35502

I guess when a guy has 70 posts on this forum, we would expect him/her to be a "regular" which in some way acts as a type of "endorsement" through some familiarity...?

watchboy · 9 April 2008, 07:06 AM

It does not mean 70 posts is good or bad. I have lesser posts than him but I do not go around doing such evil things cheating others' money!

All I can say is that if you want to buy from someone on the net.....MAKE SURE HE GIVES YOUR REFERENCE/S of some poster/s who had been posting as a long time member/s and with many posts. DO NOT BE TAKEN by emails that he gives you. He can create every one of them for all you know.

2careless · 9 April 2008, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinK

I guess when a guy has 70 posts on this forum, we would expect him/her to be a "regular" which in some way acts as a type of "endorsement" through some familiarity...?

Not necessarily. I've seen a new member putting in a simple comment in a lot of the posts in the "New Member" section, like he was posting indiscriminately on those not many people read parts of this forum to get his post count up. So, maybe you would want to search exactly what the seller has posted before making a decision whether he's "regular" or not.
It's your hard earned money, you gotta be diligent with it

watchboy · 9 April 2008, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2careless

Not necessarily. I've seen a new member putting in a simple comment in a lot of the posts in the "New Member" section, like he was posting indiscriminately on those not many people read parts of this forum to get his post count up. So, maybe you would want to search exactly what the seller has posted before making a decision whether he's "regular" or not.
It's your hard earned money, you gotta be diligent with it

Also it happens in ebay too, there are many sellers with a lot of positive feedbacks and 100% too but if you check their items, the things they bought were $0.99 things like ebooks......etc! That means anyone can also chalk up 101 positive feedbacks by just splashing $100 on ebooks for $0.99 each! All they need is to wait for 3 months to pass and then no one can see the items anymore as those links will be expired over a period of 90 days.

However, you can check on all the sellers' items, chances are those sellers still sell their items on ebay.

stevemulholland3 · 9 April 2008, 07:42 AM

well I hope we can get this mess straightened away,I would hate to think if we had a scammer amongst us!do we know if he is really in canada?

EvEr34 · 9 April 2008, 07:45 AM

name sounds familliar.....Not sure but I think Vernon had a run in with the same guy a while back.

Welshwatchman · 9 April 2008, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvEr34

name sounds familliar.....Not sure but I think Vernon had a run in with the same guy a while back.

I will email Vernon to establish this. If so, then it ramps up the potential severity even more.

The matter is being attended to backstage in anycase.

no1panerai · 9 April 2008, 09:55 AM

You have the wrong criminal there Watchboy.

I have never scammed anyone and I just sold my Z series Sub on here a couple weeks ago without an issue.

no1panerai · 9 April 2008, 10:00 AM

I do not have a white dial Daytona for sale either, you definetely do not have the right person. I have no idea what you are talking about, this is the only forum that I have used in regards to a watch hobbyist site and I have never cheated anyone online or through malpractise.

You certainly need to get your records straight.

Felly Jr. · 9 April 2008, 10:14 AM

seantk · 9 April 2008, 10:19 AM

Innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.

I am sorry that you were scammed and I appreciate you "watching" out for members..............

Sean

Felly Jr. · 9 April 2008, 10:42 AM

Well I hope this gets sorted out!

applebook · 9 April 2008, 10:47 AM

WOW.

The dude could have at least relocated to Brazil, where the country doesn't care about online cons. In Canada, he could be in trouble.

Thanks for the warning.

Thank goodness that TRF has this board, unlike that other website...where they giggle at your misfortune.

mdx77 · 9 April 2008, 10:56 AM

FWIW.......I remember this guy a while back asking Steve to change his sign-on name.......something about somebody tracking his name or email address.........anyone else remember this?????

Felly Jr. · 9 April 2008, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdx77

FWIW.......I remember this guy a while back asking Steve to change his sign-on name.......something about somebody tracking his name or email address.........anyone else remember this?????

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=34456

Seemed pretty harmless to me!

2careless · 9 April 2008, 11:14 AM

Guys, let the mods do the required checks. This means that for everything we do as usual - keep your eyes open! Caveat Emptor!

roadcarver · 9 April 2008, 11:29 AM

PM received from Paul. PM replied to.

roadcarver · 9 April 2008, 11:41 AM

Please check out watchnet! .

http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...o=189620&rid=0

EvEr34 · 9 April 2008, 11:48 AM

welllll, if he indeed used the name chris johnson with you all I can say is....if it's quacking it ain't no chicken.

2careless · 9 April 2008, 12:09 PM

Guys, without any proof that one person is purported to be another person (as described in watchnet or any other forums), it's most unwise for us to speculate.
We don't want any defamation lawsuits.

9 April 2008, 05:49 AM	#1
watchboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Jacky Location: Watch World Posts: 244	Hi Guys!!! High Alert!!! Scammer In Sales Corner!!! Please Read!!! Hi All, There is a seller in the sales corner selling a 16613 TT Sub P series! I am many others were conned by him! He uses a lot of different name and also Gmail based emails. http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=37451 His username here now is "no1panerai"! I smelt fishy and indeed it was this same ahole!!!! Why I know cos he uses the same pic that he provided me and many many others!!! Also please be aware that he is not only selling his 16613 but a white Daytona SS too! He might have both watches and they are authentic but he is ALL OUT to swindle your money! I and many others had lodged police reports and internet fraud against him!!! He is trying to build up his posts in forums by participating some threads and posts. And he does not have any good feedbacks from fellow members. All he will give are emails that he himself made it up!!! PLEASE STAY AWAY!!! PS: To the owners and moderators here, I have all the evidence against him and I am not blaspheming some individual. For those who fell victims of him, please email me at greeklander@gmail.com. The other victims and I are gathering as much infos as possible to nail that scumbag.** Last edited by watchboy; 9 April 2008 at 07:10 AM.. Reason: Added infos.

9 April 2008, 05:53 AM	#2
tazzy1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Tom F Location: NYC Watch: 116520 "M Series" Posts: 294	no one here will fall for a 16613 P series at $3,400 if it walks like a duck :) __________________ Best Regards, Tom F

9 April 2008, 05:56 AM	#3
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Cheers Jacky. __________________ Why have what's new when you have what's best. f

9 April 2008, 05:56 AM	#4
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Well the mods are going to take care of him __________________ GMT - Master II C - 116710 LN

9 April 2008, 05:58 AM	#5
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	The watch looks authentic from the pics but that can be misleading because sometimes scammers tend to send what is not in the pictures anyway. I hope this situation gets taken care of soon. __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

9 April 2008, 06:09 AM	#8
watchboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Jacky Location: Watch World Posts: 244	Also please read this too which I posted my case in WUS: http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthr...light=watchboy

9 April 2008, 06:14 AM	#10
CoopJr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Coop Location: U.S.A. Watch: Subs Posts: 6,455	There is stuff about this guy on watchnet too. I thought the price was too low but did not want to comment. Kudos for bringing this up. If he is a scammer, the Mods will have this guy smoked out of his hole PDQ.

9 April 2008, 06:35 AM	#11
MartinK "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Silverdale Watch: 16233 & 14060M Posts: 44	I was in dialogue to buy this item from him, glad I didn't! http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=35502 I guess when a guy has 70 posts on this forum, we would expect him/her to be a "regular" which in some way acts as a type of "endorsement" through some familiarity...?

9 April 2008, 07:06 AM	#12
watchboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Jacky Location: Watch World Posts: 244	It does not mean 70 posts is good or bad. I have lesser posts than him but I do not go around doing such evil things cheating others' money! All I can say is that if you want to buy from someone on the net.....MAKE SURE HE GIVES YOUR REFERENCE/S of some poster/s who had been posting as a long time member/s and with many posts. DO NOT BE TAKEN by emails that he gives you. He can create every one of them for all you know.

9 April 2008, 07:42 AM	#15
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	well I hope we can get this mess straightened away,I would hate to think if we had a scammer amongst us!do we know if he is really in canada?

9 April 2008, 07:45 AM	#16
EvEr34 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,909	name sounds familliar.....Not sure but I think Vernon had a run in with the same guy a while back.

9 April 2008, 09:55 AM	#18
no1panerai Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Milgauss Posts: 71	You have the wrong criminal there Watchboy. I have never scammed anyone and I just sold my Z series Sub on here a couple weeks ago without an issue.

9 April 2008, 10:00 AM	#19
no1panerai Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Milgauss Posts: 71	I do not have a white dial Daytona for sale either, you definetely do not have the right person. I have no idea what you are talking about, this is the only forum that I have used in regards to a watch hobbyist site and I have never cheated anyone online or through malpractise. You certainly need to get your records straight.

9 April 2008, 10:14 AM	#20
Felly Jr. "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Felly Location: Washington State Watch: SS Daytona/GV Posts: 2,998

9 April 2008, 10:19 AM	#21
seantk "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Sean Location: West Florida Posts: 2,671	Innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. I am sorry that you were scammed and I appreciate you "watching" out for members.............. Sean __________________ "Life is frittered away with detail... simplify, simplify!" Henry D. Thoreau

9 April 2008, 10:42 AM	#22
Felly Jr. "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Felly Location: Washington State Watch: SS Daytona/GV Posts: 2,998	Well I hope this gets sorted out!

9 April 2008, 10:47 AM	#23
applebook "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: vancouver Posts: 1,918	WOW. The dude could have at least relocated to Brazil, where the country doesn't care about online cons. In Canada, he could be in trouble. Thanks for the warning. Thank goodness that TRF has this board, unlike that other website...where they giggle at your misfortune. __________________

9 April 2008, 10:56 AM	#24
mdx77 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Kurt Location: Philly Burbs!! Posts: 3,296	FWIW.......I remember this guy a while back asking Steve to change his sign-on name.......something about somebody tracking his name or email address.........anyone else remember this????? __________________ “This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the BLUE pill - the story ends; you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the RED pill - you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.” Rolex Submariner 116610LV Hulk \| Rolex GMT 16710 Pepsi \| Omega Speedmaster “Speedy Tuesday” \| Tudor Black Bay 79220R “ETA Rose” \| Tudor Pelagos Blue Dial \| Rolex Submariner Yellow Gold 116618LB \| Rolex Milgauss “Z-Blue” 116400GV

9 April 2008, 11:14 AM	#26
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Guys, let the mods do the required checks. This means that for everything we do as usual - keep your eyes open! Caveat Emptor!

9 April 2008, 11:29 AM	#27
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	PM received from Paul. PM replied to. __________________ I'm just a cook...

9 April 2008, 11:41 AM	#28
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Please check out watchnet! . http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...o=189620&rid=0 __________________ I'm just a cook...

9 April 2008, 11:48 AM	#29
EvEr34 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,909	welllll, if he indeed used the name chris johnson with you all I can say is....if it's quacking it ain't no chicken.

9 April 2008, 12:09 PM	#30
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Guys, without any proof that one person is purported to be another person (as described in watchnet or any other forums), it's most unwise for us to speculate. We don't want any defamation lawsuits.

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