Submariner 16800 Matte Dial Variations

[JustinK]

I just picked up a 16800 and was wondering if thier are different types of matte dials like on other models.

Mine has a 7.4 million serial number.

[NKflyer]

Originally Posted by JustinK

I just picked up a 16800 and was wondering if thier are different types of matte dials like on other models.

Yes, there is. I believe there are three variations of the 16800 matte dial. The Mk1 dial has a shorter coronet than yours. Never was sure what the differences are between MK2 and Mk3. Hopefully an expert will chime in.

[Wing Zero]

As far as I know there are 4 dial variations
Try and find the differences..


Mark I



Mark II



Mark III



Mark IV

[JustinK]

So based on this it looks like I have an MK 3.

The alignment of the L and the coronet are different on the MK 1.
The MK 2 and 3 are very similar but the alignment of 1000 Looks different as does the length of the f in ft.
The MK 4 coronet is thicker and the fonts for ft and m are different.

What did I miss?

[NKflyer]

Originally Posted by JustinK

So based on this it looks like I have an MK 3.

The alignment of the L and the coronet are different on the MK 1.
The MK 2 and 3 are very similar but the alignment of 1000 Looks different as does the length of the f in ft.
The MK 4 coronet is thicker and the fonts for ft and m are different.

What did I miss?

The "=" sign is different between Mk2 & Mk3. Great post!

[PoderEsBueno]

Very informative, thanks

[Wing Zero]

Originally Posted by JustinK

So based on this it looks like I have an MK 3.

The alignment of the L and the coronet are different on the MK 1.
The MK 2 and 3 are very similar but the alignment of 1000 Looks different as does the length of the f in ft.
The MK 4 coronet is thicker and the fonts for ft and m are different.

What did I miss?

Very good you NKFlyer got most of it.

Look at the '-' in SWISS - T < 25.
In mark I it's slightly to the right
In mark II it's centered

[Swearengen]

Interesting post, I think this is a MKI

[larry88]

E in SUBMARINER is the long E for mk4


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[JustinK]

Originally Posted by Swearengen

Interesting post, I think this is a MKI

+1

[MATCH1969]

Found this one from 1982 on the web

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[GeoGio Greece]

Originally Posted by JustinK

I just picked up a 16800 and was wondering if thier are different types of matte dials like on other models.

Mine has a 7.4 million serial number.

I sold mine back in 1993

[George Spring]

i will resurrect this old post... can anyone please telll which mark is my dial? i have 7.1mil serial number from 1981. i can't tell which one is which

wait i think i have markII but im bot sure

[TimeToGo]

Welcome to the Forum!

Mk-2

[Charlie3755]

This is a great post.

I did notice that the < symbol appears differently in each of the photographs. To my eye:

Mk I < appears to be flatter
Mk II & Mk III < open end same height as the 2 with a space between the < and the 2 (I suspect there could be some distortion in the Mk III picture that makes the < look like it is touching the minute marker)
Mk IV < appears not to be vertically aligned with the minute marker, like the previous variants and that it is actually closer to the 2

Comparing with all of the other notes I am going to say this is a Mk IV Dial. Please put me straight on what I might have missed.

Is there a publication out there that details all of the dial section differences?

My 8,29 Mil dial and individual parts

[George Spring]

charlie3755 in my eyes your dial is most likely a mark 3. look at the L in rolex and the crown of sample above its the same but when you compare to mark 4 you letters are much thinner

[mineral]

I have Matt dial 16800 with 7.4 mil serial and original paper dated 1983. Anyone expert could help to identify which mark version is my dial? I have not worn it for long time and always in safe for all the time, you can see the patina is delevoping quite nicely :).

Thanks in advance for your comments.








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[Jamie S]

just reviving this thread.
I'd say that's a great looking mk IV you have there with the thicker font on the f Mineral
Here's my new 16800 mk I, 6.5m serial

[Jamie S]

Sorry not sure those photo linked worked before

[Jamie S]

Photo 2

[sillo]

Here's my new to me 16800. 8.1 mil serial. I'm thinking mk iv, but would appreciate more opinions.

[JustinK]

Looks like a MK IV. The font for the "ft" is the tell for me.

Nice watch, congrats!

[mineral]

Originally Posted by Jamie S

just reviving this thread.
I'd say that's a great looking mk IV you have there with the thicker font on the f Mineral
Here's my new 16800 mk I, 6.5m serial

Thanks for your input. Your 16800 look great. Cheers

[Gina Marie]

Is this a mark 1 then? How about the insert....which are original? Some have a flat four...some do not.....some are semi flat...

[V.lats97nsx]

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[mdtddd2007]

Very nice guys.

[V.lats97nsx]

Believe this is a mark 3

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[sgoody1]

Hi all,
Any views as to which of all of these is most desirable from a collectors point of view (and get all 4 is not a valid answer)

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by sgoody1

Hi all,
Any views as to which of all of these is most desirable from a collectors point of view (and get all 4 is not a valid answer)

I haven't seen price differences between the various matte dial versions.

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

I haven't seen price differences between the various matte dial versions.

Yet ;)


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