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moodz01 · 26 April 2008, 12:52 PM

hi, i'm new to the boards. i hope his is the right section to post this. i was wondering if you guys can help me figure this one out. i haven't taken this over to my local rolex dealer yet but thought i'd start off here first. i got this used not sure if its real rolex as a gift from someone. i noticed it doesn't have "swiss made" between the 6 dial like my 06 Datejust. the band seems to look and feel real but i'm not familiar with older rolex's. if more photos are needed please let me know. thanks in advanced.

Lol-x · 26 April 2008, 01:10 PM

At first glance it looks good to me.
I'm no expert with diamond dials, but the dial looks good.
Anyway, some more learned members will give you a hand.
As for the case, bezel and bracelet, they all look good to me. (no guarantee given)

2careless · 26 April 2008, 01:15 PM

Hmm, the coronet on the dial picture looks a little suspicious, as well as the 'L' in the ROLEX signature doesn't match the bottom of the coronet. Maybe it's angle or what not, but without better closer photos I'd put a big question mark.
Ditto to the crown, and the crown on the clasp. Not terribly convincing.

mikey · 26 April 2008, 01:15 PM

I agree with Steve, dial looks kosher and font on the "x" looks good too. You got this as a gift? Impressive!

colemanitis · 26 April 2008, 01:29 PM

Looks good to me!

Lisa · 26 April 2008, 01:30 PM

You guys think the cyclops looks straight? And the "swiss" at 6 o'clock? How about the points on the crown on the dial?

springer · 26 April 2008, 02:22 PM

Fake, fake fake

moodz01 · 26 April 2008, 02:47 PM

those are all good points that you all pointed out. i think i'll try hit up the rolex dealer tomorrow and hopefully get the answer...thanks again everyone, i'll keep you posted.

erwin · 26 April 2008, 02:54 PM

the coronet on the dial does look a bit odd!

Steven79 · 26 April 2008, 04:00 PM

looks suspicious to me.

Andad · 26 April 2008, 05:52 PM

IMO it's more than a bit sus. The script doesn't look Rolex to me.
Whip the back off and check it, I doubt it's genuine.

BiG JeEzY · 26 April 2008, 06:25 PM

Everything looks okay to me except for the coronet on the dial at the 12 o clock position. It does not look very symmetrical. Maybe the dial is aftermarket?

2careless · 26 April 2008, 07:05 PM

Edit: Sorry I have to post a retraction...

attached is a stock picture from a reputable seller, the L of ROLEX aligns at the vertical line, compared to the same line in the O.P.'s dial, they do align. My bad

As for the position of the coronet, there is a fair bit of difference. The silver one definitely have the coronet placed higher than the MOP one.

Apart from this, the 2nd point of the coronet still looks suspicious.

Portzed · 26 April 2008, 07:13 PM

Just whip orf the back and have a gander.
Good luck.

Trurolexer · 26 April 2008, 07:32 PM

I'm not sure. You can check in RSC. Good Luck!!!

Jason Spring · 26 April 2008, 07:37 PM

It s a huge fake, the crown on the dial is horrible.

stevemulholland3 · 26 April 2008, 08:02 PM

I am leaning towards a non-original dial.

marshallr47 · 26 April 2008, 08:03 PM

Get it checked out and let us know what you find.

OYSTERMANN · 26 April 2008, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevemulholland3

I am leaning towards a non-original dial.

Steve - I agree with you here and, I must admit, the coronet detailing on the crown and clasp shots, at best, look very poor. They're usually sharply defined and the ones in the photos look a bit suspect - unless it's just wear.

Certainly the coronet on the dial is very poor and the 'Rolex' lettering doesn't look quite right to me, at all.

It will be interesting to have the opinion of the AD on this one.

unclesallie · 26 April 2008, 09:26 PM

dial is suspicious looking to me. just not sure.
best,dan

SPACE-DWELLER · 26 April 2008, 09:34 PM

Welcome to TRF, Keith!

One thing that strikes me as being a bit odd are the hands and the (beforementioned) "SWISS" designation. Saying "SWISS" only would make the watch have SuperLuminova hands (period 1998-2000), but the hands of the DJ look more like Tritium coated ones to me since you can see they are showing patination in the Tr. coating. Furthermore, on both pics showing the dial, you can see that both the hour, minute and second's hand are all smudged up by fingerprints. My guess is that Tritium hands were added later on.

Another thing is the coronet on the crown! As stated, it's way off centre.

Like said, the ultimate test is to have the caseback taken off and view the movt.

Personally, I'd pass on it, though.

casadecamporolex · 26 April 2008, 10:07 PM

My guess, without a heft test, is that it is a genuine Rolex with an aftermarket dial.
Did they make knock off engine turned bezel watches in SS that would hold up for a few decades?

CoopJr · 26 April 2008, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casadecamporolex

My guess, without a heft test, is that it is a genuine Rolex with an aftermarket dial.
Did they make knock off engine turned bezel watches in SS that would hold up for a few decades?

I'm with "Lovey" (

) so far on this...after market dial. What are the numbers stamped on the bracelet, end pieces and any markings that might be on the clasp blades so I can look this up for you.

watchlady · 26 April 2008, 11:03 PM

Dial looks funky to me too.

moodz01 · 27 April 2008, 02:00 AM

thanks again everyone, gonna try to make it over to the AD today.

and CoopJr here's the info on the bracelet

the end piece number is 558, end bracelet number is 78360, claps blade numbers on top N 3, bottom number 62523 H 18

moodz01 · 27 April 2008, 08:59 AM

so i took it over to the AD and the verdict is, that it is authentic but has an after market dial. also, the serial number corresponds to the year 1985.

thanks

CoopJr · 27 April 2008, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodz01

the end piece number is 558, end bracelet number is 78360, claps blade numbers on top N 3, bottom number 62523 H 18

The Rolex Report lists those numbers as being for an Oyster Bracelet, regular clasp and found on a Date Just. But it says that clasp code (62523 H 18) is for bracelet of 18K & SS.

According to this site:
http://www.oysterinfo.de/en/detailin...mern/index.php
The code N3 indicates that the watch (at least the clasp) was made in March of 1989.

IMO, I think you have a genuine Rolex with an after market dial (like the AD says) Getting it to a RSC and having it opened (if the AD did not do this) would be in your best interest because if the rest of the watch is legit, you can get an authentic dial put in and the receipt for all of this will serve as your "papers" if you ever decide to sell the watch.

rolex1 · 27 April 2008, 11:34 AM

The watch is real! The dial is what is referred to as 'custom' It's not a Rolex made dial, but judging from the clasp, and watch in general, I'm going to have to say it's real.

26 April 2008, 12:52 PM	#1
moodz01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: keith Location: Huntington Beach Watch: GMT II TT Posts: 15	help...fake or real? hi, i'm new to the boards. i hope his is the right section to post this. i was wondering if you guys can help me figure this one out. i haven't taken this over to my local rolex dealer yet but thought i'd start off here first. i got this used not sure if its real rolex as a gift from someone. i noticed it doesn't have "swiss made" between the 6 dial like my 06 Datejust. the band seems to look and feel real but i'm not familiar with older rolex's. if more photos are needed please let me know. thanks in advanced.

26 April 2008, 01:10 PM	#2
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,564	At first glance it looks good to me. I'm no expert with diamond dials, but the dial looks good. Anyway, some more learned members will give you a hand. As for the case, bezel and bracelet, they all look good to me. (no guarantee given) __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

26 April 2008, 01:29 PM	#5
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	Looks good to me! __________________ Member #471

26 April 2008, 02:54 PM	#9
erwin - Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Erwin Location: Hollywood, Ca Watch: SD Posts: 1,032	the coronet on the dial does look a bit odd! __________________ Your watch silently speaks about your character! sd/datejust/tudor/a couple of vintage omegas/tissotMB Meisterstuck Bordeaux pen/MB Noblesse Oblige/Starwalker/MB Classique Fountain pen/MB no 149

26 April 2008, 05:52 PM	#11
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,508	IMO it's more than a bit sus. The script doesn't look Rolex to me. Whip the back off and check it, I doubt it's genuine. __________________ E

26 April 2008, 01:15 PM	#3
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Hmm, the coronet on the dial picture looks a little suspicious, as well as the 'L' in the ROLEX signature doesn't match the bottom of the coronet. Maybe it's angle or what not, but without better closer photos I'd put a big question mark. Ditto to the crown, and the crown on the clasp. Not terribly convincing.

26 April 2008, 01:15 PM	#4
mikey "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Watch: Oysterdate 6694 Posts: 2,713	I agree with Steve, dial looks kosher and font on the "x" looks good too. You got this as a gift? Impressive!

26 April 2008, 01:30 PM	#6
Lisa "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: oklahoma city Posts: 15,741	You guys think the cyclops looks straight? And the "swiss" at 6 o'clock? How about the points on the crown on the dial?

26 April 2008, 02:22 PM	#7
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,309	Fake, fake fake

26 April 2008, 02:47 PM	#8
moodz01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: keith Location: Huntington Beach Watch: GMT II TT Posts: 15	those are all good points that you all pointed out. i think i'll try hit up the rolex dealer tomorrow and hopefully get the answer...thanks again everyone, i'll keep you posted.

26 April 2008, 04:00 PM	#10
Steven79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Steven Location: Houston Watch: Sub Posts: 1,175	looks suspicious to me.

26 April 2008, 06:25 PM	#12
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	Everything looks okay to me except for the coronet on the dial at the 12 o clock position. It does not look very symmetrical. Maybe the dial is aftermarket? __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

26 April 2008, 07:13 PM	#14
Portzed "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Bryden Location: Lincolnshire - UK Watch: My 1st 60's Timex Posts: 435	Just whip orf the back and have a gander. Good luck.

26 April 2008, 07:32 PM	#15
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	I'm not sure. You can check in RSC. Good Luck!!!

26 April 2008, 07:37 PM	#16
Jason Spring "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: France Posts: 300	It s a huge fake, the crown on the dial is horrible. __________________ visit my blog : http://watchparabellum.blogspot.com/ Enjoy your visit !!!!!!! -- WTB:Rolex Submariner ref 5513 --

26 April 2008, 08:02 PM	#17
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	I am leaning towards a non-original dial.

26 April 2008, 08:03 PM	#18
marshallr47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Ron Location: Alabama Watch: Daytona,TT Sub,GMT Posts: 4,673	Get it checked out and let us know what you find. __________________ Ron

26 April 2008, 09:26 PM	#20
unclesallie 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: dan Location: Pennsylvania Watch: keystone pocket Posts: 5,917	dial is suspicious looking to me. just not sure. best,dan

26 April 2008, 09:34 PM	#21
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Welcome to TRF, Keith! One thing that strikes me as being a bit odd are the hands and the (beforementioned) "SWISS" designation. Saying "SWISS" only would make the watch have SuperLuminova hands (period 1998-2000), but the hands of the DJ look more like Tritium coated ones to me since you can see they are showing patination in the Tr. coating. Furthermore, on both pics showing the dial, you can see that both the hour, minute and second's hand are all smudged up by fingerprints. My guess is that Tritium hands were added later on. Another thing is the coronet on the crown! As stated, it's way off centre. Like said, the ultimate test is to have the caseback taken off and view the movt. Personally, I'd pass on it, though. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

26 April 2008, 10:07 PM	#22
casadecamporolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Louie Location: CDC/FCGC Watch: 116619LB Posts: 1,321	My guess, without a heft test, is that it is a genuine Rolex with an aftermarket dial. Did they make knock off engine turned bezel watches in SS that would hold up for a few decades?

26 April 2008, 11:03 PM	#24
watchlady "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: the other Lisa Location: Metro New York Watch: SS/RG Datejust Posts: 1,014	Dial looks funky to me too. __________________ Oyster Date 15200 : DJ Mid TT RG 178241: DJ SS 116234 Sub ND 14060M : PLATTY YM 16622 : Milgauss 116400 White

27 April 2008, 02:00 AM	#25
moodz01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: keith Location: Huntington Beach Watch: GMT II TT Posts: 15	thanks again everyone, gonna try to make it over to the AD today. and CoopJr here's the info on the bracelet the end piece number is 558, end bracelet number is 78360, claps blade numbers on top N 3, bottom number 62523 H 18

27 April 2008, 08:59 AM	#26
moodz01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: keith Location: Huntington Beach Watch: GMT II TT Posts: 15	so i took it over to the AD and the verdict is, that it is authentic but has an after market dial. also, the serial number corresponds to the year 1985. thanks

27 April 2008, 11:34 AM	#28
rolex1 Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: David S. Location: Mass-N. of Boston Watch: 16610 Submariner Posts: 207	The watch is real! The dial is what is referred to as 'custom' It's not a Rolex made dial, but judging from the clasp, and watch in general, I'm going to have to say it's real.

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