Is This Real?

[333president]

Hey Guys,
Can someone confirm that this looks real?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121822718856

I bought my Dad an older DJ a few days ago, but it looks too old/small and I am just not happy with it. So I am returning it and just bought this instead. I thought the Seller had more feedback selling Rolexs. He has good feedback in general, but only 1 or 2 Rolex sales, which concerns me.

Does it seem legit to you? Thanks!

[Etschell]

looks good to me but someone bought it.

[333president]

I bought it!

Thanks Etschell!

[333president]

If anyone else sees this and notices anything concerning, please let me know. Always value everyones opinions here.

[Knappo 1307]

Looks good.

[crowncollection]

Looks real


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[dysondiver]

bit late asking if its real if youve bought it

[333president]

Originally Posted by dysondiver

bit late asking if its real if youve bought it

I could have cancelled the deal.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by 333president

I could have cancelled the deal.

Just for future reference, be 100% sure of what you are purchasing. Kind of a disrespectful move, buying something just to get it off the board, then possibly cancelling the deal if you feel something is not right. I'm sure the first guy is a little annoyed with what transpired. Save the time wasting for the seller and make share you want it, and it is what it is before you commit to buy.

[333president]

Knappo, I am not sure if you're accusing me of being "disrespectful" because I am returning the first watch. Or, because I bought the new one and posted here to get peoples opinion.

As for the first watch. No need to feel bad for the Seller. He took a shot at getting a deal, he otherwise wouldn't have had if he didn't offer a return policy, which allowed me to see the watch before being committing to keep it. I wanted the deal to work. But it just wasn't a great watch. The bracelet was loose. It looked old. It just wouldn't have made a nice gift for my old man. Obviously, I had no way of knowing that until I had it in my possession.

That's one of the disadvantages to buying and selling online. Consumers don't know what they're buying until they have it in their hand. Many Sellers understand this and offer return policies to make sure you're happy with what you're purchasing. Rightfully so. Often times these are expensive purchases for people.

As for the new watch (incase thats what you're referring to). I didn't buy it, to get it off the market. I bought it because I wanted it. I researched it and everything looked legitimate to me. I paid immediately. I posted it here to make sure no one noticed anything concerning that I may have overlooked. If someone brought something to my attention, I would have investigated it further and returned the watch if it proved to be misrepresented. I think all of that is reasonable.

Thanks for the lecture. And I suppose it's noble that you're looking out for the Sellers, but I am far from "disrespectful". I've purchased 4 watches this month, kept them all and Sellers are typically happy that I am giving them opportunities to do a deal. As long as what they're selling me is legit, there's no issues.

If a mod sees this, I am all set and you can close out the thread.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by 333president

Knappo, I am not sure if you're accusing me of being "disrespectful" because I am returning the first watch. Or, because I bought the new one and posted here to get peoples opinion.

As for the first watch. No need to feel bad for the Seller. He took a shot at getting a deal, he otherwise wouldn't have had if he didn't offer a return policy, which allowed me to see the watch before being committing to keep it. I wanted the deal to work. But it just wasn't a great watch. The bracelet was loose. It looked old. It just wouldn't have made a nice gift for my old man. Obviously, I had no way of knowing that until I had it in my possession.

That's one of the disadvantages to buying and selling online. Consumers don't know what they're buying until they have it in their hand. Many Sellers understand this and offer return policies to make sure you're happy with what you're purchasing. Rightfully so. Often times these are expensive purchases for people.

As for the new watch (incase thats what you're referring to). I didn't buy it, to get it off the market. I bought it because I wanted it. I researched it and everything looked legitimate to me. I paid immediately. I posted it here to make sure no one noticed anything concerning that I may have overlooked. If someone brought something to my attention, I would have investigated it further and returned the watch if it proved to be misrepresented. I think all of that is reasonable.

Thanks for the lecture. And I suppose it's noble that you're looking out for the Sellers, but I am far from "disrespectful". I've purchased 4 watches this month, kept them all and Sellers are typically happy that I am giving them opportunities to do a deal. As long as what they're selling me is legit, there's no issues.

If a mod sees this, I am all set and you can close out the thread.

I think Jason made an excellent post. A buyer has the same level of responsibility to commit to the sale as the seller.

I could be misinterpreting, but my perception of your recent pattern is that you tie up the sellers' sales while you do the due diligence, or decide what you really want, after the fact. The sale should be smooth from both parties, and a seller doesn't 'owe' a buyer the opportunity to frustrate his sale.

I disagree with your interpretation of the return policy. A luxury watch return policy is for when the watch isn't what they said it was. It's not for buyers who change their mind or don't like the color. If the watch is as described, it's the buyers watch. If the buyer doesn't like it anymore, he can become a seller and part company with it.

[333president]

I am not trying to be argumentative, but hear me out for a second.

I bought 5 watches in the last month. I am returning ONE of them. That's my "recent pattern"!! I spent somewhere between 80-90k just in the last 3-4 weeks. I bought a YG YMII, YG Daytona, YG GMT, TT DJII as a Christmas gift for my Dad and the DD36 that it replaced. The one I am returning, is the least expensive of the purchases. I hope this demonstrates that I am not being malicious or ill intended. The Sellers aren't complaining, so I don't know why you guys are. I've had great experiences with everyone, including the Seller of the watch I am returning. Here's the last text I got from him tonight:

"Yes sir, don't feel bad, you've been super easy to work with and I truly appreciate it. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and look forward to doing more business in the future. Please remind me Monday and I'll shoot a label to your email."

Does this sound like a Seller that I pissed off or felt disrespected?!

I get that you guys are trying to help and want to make the watch resale world a better place. But I don't need to get chewed out.

I had every intention of keeping the ONE watch that I am returning, when I ordered it. I was committed! But it arrived and it didn't look as good in person as it looked online. The bracelet was stretched out. It looked old. I don't know, it’s just not a nice watch. I didn't feel comfortable giving it as a gift. I asked the Seller if I could return it. They understand and were totally fine with it. I am not returning it because I didn't like the dial color!

I am dealing with reputable businesses who put a high priority on customers satisfaction. I am not dealing with individual private Sellers who do this out of their home, part time or something. The companies I am dealing with, want you to love what you buy. They want to provide a positive experience for their customers. They want a stellar reputation and the referrals/repeat business that comes with it. I understand that not all Sellers are like that, but the Sellers I deal with, are.

With such companies, my interpretation of a return policy is that you are offered some level of flexibility, making a large purchase online without being able to see it, feel it, try it on, etc. Many luxury companies and fine jewelers are like that. How are you supposed to spend 10-20-30k or more, on something without trying it on? If someone said they go to their AD to try on watches, then buy them online.....you guys would really be freaking out saying how disrespectful they are and what time wasters they’re being!

I don't believe return policies are JUST for the purposes of protecting Buyers in the case that something was misrepresented. There’s already consumer protection laws for that, which supersede whatever a Sellers return policy is. In every State that I know of, misrepresentation isn’t considered a type of fraud… it’s actual fraud. So if something is misrepresented and the Seller doesn’t offer a return policy, it’s actionable. I believe there’s more to a return policy then just trying to protect Buyers from misrepresentations. I believe it’s provided as a courtesy to the Buyer. I own businesses and that’s my take on it.

Anyway, we're chewing on fat here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I am sorry that we don't see eye to eye. Bottomline is this though.... The Seller that's taking the return, totally understands and is fine with it, so it shouldn't be a concern for you guys. I came here asking if anyone with more experience, would give a quick look to a recent purchase to make sure they don't notice something I missed with the watch. I didn't need a business 101 lecture. Business is one thing I am good at and I wouldn't be able to buy all of these watches if that weren't the case. I didn't intend for all this. It’s Christmas eve (almost). Let's all go spend time with our families and enjoy the holidays instead of arguing on a forum. Happy holidays everyone and all the best. Going to lay low on here for a while.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by 333president

I am not trying to be argumentative, but hear me out for a second.

I bought 5 watches in the last month. I am returning ONE of them. That's my "recent pattern"!! I spent somewhere between 80-90k just in the last 3-4 weeks. I bought a YG YMII, YG Daytona, YG GMT, TT DJII as a Christmas gift for my Dad and the DD36 that it replaced. The one I am returning, is the least expensive of the purchases. I hope this demonstrates that I am not being malicious or ill intended. The Sellers aren't complaining, so I don't know why you guys are. I've had great experiences with everyone, including the Seller of the watch I am returning. Here's the last text I got from him tonight:

"Yes sir, don't feel bad, you've been super easy to work with and I truly appreciate it. I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and look forward to doing more business in the future. Please remind me Monday and I'll shoot a label to your email."

Does this sound like a Seller that I pissed off or felt disrespected?!

I get that you guys are trying to help and want to make the watch resale world a better place. But I don't need to get chewed out.

I had every intention of keeping the ONE watch that I am returning, when I ordered it. I was committed! But it arrived and it didn't look as good in person as it looked online. The bracelet was stretched out. It looked old. I don't know, it’s just not a nice watch. I didn't feel comfortable giving it as a gift. I asked the Seller if I could return it. They understand and were totally fine with it. I am not returning it because I didn't like the dial color!

I am dealing with reputable businesses who put a high priority on customers satisfaction. I am not dealing with individual private Sellers who do this out of their home, part time or something. The companies I am dealing with, want you to love what you buy. They want to provide a positive experience for their customers. They want a stellar reputation and the referrals/repeat business that comes with it. I understand that not all Sellers are like that, but the Sellers I deal with, are.

With such companies, my interpretation of a return policy is that you are offered some level of flexibility, making a large purchase online without being able to see it, feel it, try it on, etc. Many luxury companies and fine jewelers are like that. How are you supposed to spend 10-20-30k or more, on something without trying it on? If someone said they go to their AD to try on watches, then buy them online.....you guys would really be freaking out saying how disrespectful they are and what time wasters they’re being!

I don't believe return policies are JUST for the purposes of protecting Buyers in the case that something was misrepresented. There’s already consumer protection laws for that, which supersede whatever a Sellers return policy is. In every State that I know of, misrepresentation isn’t considered a type of fraud… it’s actual fraud. So if something is misrepresented and the Seller doesn’t offer a return policy, it’s actionable. I believe there’s more to a return policy then just trying to protect Buyers from misrepresentations. I believe it’s provided as a courtesy to the Buyer. I own businesses and that’s my take on it.

Anyway, we're chewing on fat here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I am sorry that we don't see eye to eye. Bottomline is this though.... The Seller that's taking the return, totally understands and is fine with it, so it shouldn't be a concern for you guys. I came here asking if anyone with more experience, would give a quick look to a recent purchase to make sure they don't notice something I missed with the watch. I didn't need a business 101 lecture. Business is one thing I am good at and I wouldn't be able to buy all of these watches if that weren't the case. I didn't intend for all this. It’s Christmas eve (almost). Let's all go spend time with our families and enjoy the holidays instead of arguing on a forum. Happy holidays everyone and all the best. Going to lay low on here for a while.

Wasn't meant as a lecture, or a argument, just my 2 cents. I hope you continue to post on TRF, you actually seem like a nice guy. Happy Holidays...

[hunterp27]

I think we could have (and have had) good debates here on the merits of eBay as a way to buy a high end watch. Having just gone thru a bad experience with a DSSD, I too, was given a small albeit nice lecture about doing due diligence prior to bidding or buying. In general I agree with that statement but there are occasions where there isn't enough time to do it the right way. Furthermore, with a 14 day return policy you effectively end up with the same result. Anyway, like I said earlier this could be debated ad nauseum when the really safe and generally financially prudent move is to buy here thru a trusted seller. That's what I ended up doing in the end and have zero 2nd thoughts about it.

[Lordofrolex]

Usually eBay stores with store fronts are pretty good about selling authentic stuff as they can be tracked down and hold liable as a corporation not as an individual. So i think you're good to go.

[333president]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

Wasn't meant as a lecture, or a argument, just my 2 cents. I hope you continue to post on TRF, you actually seem like a nice guy. Happy Holidays...

Thanks Knappo, I really appreciate that. Happy holidays to you as well.

[333president]

Originally Posted by Lordofrolex

Usually eBay stores with store fronts are pretty good about selling authentic stuff as they can be tracked down and hold liable as a corporation not as an individual. So i think you're good to go.

Yeah great point. I agree. Plus, if it's a brick and mortar, you can often see Yelp, Google and Facebook reviews too. Which can offer some peace of mind.