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Wilpert · 10 January 2016, 07:50 AM

I have been offered a 1950 SS datejust as a px for a ladies Cartier Santos that my missus no longer wears.

In terms of value, I would plce the Cartier at around £2k as we dont have the papers.

Anyway, long story short but the Rolex has had a new bracelet fitted at the shop and it's the jubille one, it looks really nice and the whole watch looks solid and clean but I wondered if that would have been the right bracelet for it and also, is 32k top money for a 1950s datejust?

I know the shop has to make a profit and it does look nice and I would not expect to be able to sell it on for similar money, as i want it as a keepr if I do the deal.

Appreciate your advice, thanks.

hello, I'm looking for a bit of advice here.
I've been offered a SS datejust with a jubilee bracelet for around £2k

It has a new jubilee bracelet and it is a 1950's watch.
Is this the right bracelet for this year watch and is 2k a decent price, given the age.

The dealer is an independant shop but he has offered 6 months warranty.
FWIW the watch looks pretty clean, and fits really well, the face is a cream colour with a light vertical stripe within it.

bubbaK · 10 January 2016, 08:37 AM

Pics would help ;)

77T · 10 January 2016, 08:50 AM

I realize you don't have the watch so pictures might not be possible. The thing I'd suggest without pics is to be sure of the seller's reputation. Then see if he will guarantee it is all authentic Rolex parts - in other words if the RSC or an Authorized Dealer finds aftermarket crystal or bezel or crown or tube or other parts then you'd get a refund.

A watch if that age needs to have been taken care of on the inside as much as the outside so be sure he will service it during the warranty period if Rolex says parts of the movement need replacement.

Here's the thing about price - it's worth what you're willing to pay - we can't really judge it as fair or not from afar.

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Wilpert · 10 January 2016, 09:20 AM

He's not a Rolex dealer but I have sold a couple of items to him in the past and he seems like a fair sort of bloke with a small shop that has been there for about 8 years.

If we assume that he does guarantee the parts are all genuine Rolex and that the guarantee that he provides covers parts etc. then is 2k a realistic price?
Is a jubilee strap what should be on a 1950s model?
I suppose it could have been replaced because the old one would have been 65 years old but would the original bracelet have been more desirable?

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Tools · 10 January 2016, 09:47 AM

You need to be more sure of the year and model.

The Datejust was introduced in 1945, along with the Jubilee bracelet. Initially they were only in gold with the stainless steel version released in '57, almost all had a Jubilee bracelet until then.

A "50s Datejust" could be a very rare animal indeed.

Wilpert · 10 January 2016, 09:55 AM

Tha face of the watch has a "cream" colour to it and it has what looks like a vertical stripe, the crown and bracelet are stainless steel, he definitely said it's 1950. How can i find out more or could i post a reference number here, if he gives me that, he's local and always prepared to answer questions?

I wish I could post the picture that I took in the shop but I'm struggling with it, any help here appreciated too?

TimeToGo · 10 January 2016, 10:25 AM

Your pics are not loading ?!

Wilpert · 10 January 2016, 10:15 PM

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Im hoping this is it!
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Wilpert · 11 January 2016, 01:26 AM

pictures uploaded finally

andromeda160 · 11 January 2016, 02:09 AM

The dial is a tapestry dial which usually came on quickset datejusts, but The case/bezel appear to be a 1603. Check the model and SN and report back here with the SN posted in a 9999xxx format. Definitely not from the 50s though.

Wilpert · 11 January 2016, 02:38 AM

I will do that.
Are you thinking it's been put together from different watches, i.e. a newer dial on an older watch, what era is the tapestry dial from?

andromeda160 · 11 January 2016, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilpert

I will do that.
Are you thinking it's been put together from different watches, i.e. a newer dial on an older watch, what era is the tapestry dial from?

Tapestry dials are generally seen on quickset 1601X models, that's what has me confused. Mid-late 80s is the earliest they were out. I believe it's a 1603 with a newer dial.

Tools · 11 January 2016, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilpert

pictures uploaded finally

A 1950 DJ could have the machined bezel but it would be a gold watch, not stainless..

That one is from the 70's or 80's. It's probably just mis-dated; no reason to think that it's anything else at this point..

Wilpert · 11 January 2016, 04:17 AM

So just to clarify, based on the assumption that its a 70's or 80's watch, could the linen dial be original, thus meaning that the only thing not part of the original watch would be the bracelet, which has been replaced?

Would a 70s/80's watch be any less attractive a deal than a 50's watch?

My main consideration is that the whole thing is original (save for the bracelet).

andromeda160 · 11 January 2016, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilpert

So just to clarify, based on the assumption that its a 70's or 80's watch, could the linen dial be original, thus meaning that the only thing not part of the original watch would be the bracelet, which has been replaced?

Would a 70s/80's watch be any less attractive a deal than a 50's watch?

My main consideration is that the whole thing is original (save for the bracelet).

If it's a 5 digit quickset model, yes. If it's a 1603,no. It's a tapestry dial, not linen as well.

Wilpert · 11 January 2016, 08:19 AM

Okay
I what do I need to ask the seller, to then post on here to confirm the answers.

I get it about about the tapestry tapestry not linen, that was a misunderstanding on my part.

Thanks

Pchohan88 · 12 January 2016, 08:10 AM

you can pick up 1601 in pretty good condition with fair jubilee bracelets for around £1500!

Solid movement workhorses! Late 70's!

Wilpert · 12 January 2016, 06:29 PM

Okay,
I reckon I ought to divert my attention somewhere else then.
I saw some on Chrono24 any reviews on this site?

crowncollection · 12 January 2016, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilpert

Okay,
I reckon I ought to divert my attention somewhere else then.
I saw some on Chrono24 any reviews on this site?

Yes be careful no refunds on that site guaranteed the watch is a model 16030 you show with a quickset movement.

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Wilpert · 15 January 2016, 05:54 AM

Update on the watch

I messaged the seller and expressed my concerns that it was not a 1950s watch.

To b fair although he has a pretty good jewellers shop and trades in a few watches, he isnt necessarily a Rolex specialist.

He apologised that he had made an error and misguided me and confirmed that the watch is a 1983 Rolex and the bracelet is in fact a new Jubilee one that he bought in to replae the old one, that was worn out and stretched.

He does not have papers but said that it was service 3 years ago.

He is looking for 2k. Is that a fair price?

I must say it looks clean and tidy in the flesh and am tempted, I like the retro look of the tapestry dial in contrasting colour to the steel case and bracelet?

10 January 2016, 07:50 AM	#1
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	I have been offered a 1950 SS datejust as a px for a ladies Cartier Santos that my missus no longer wears. In terms of value, I would plce the Cartier at around £2k as we dont have the papers. Anyway, long story short but the Rolex has had a new bracelet fitted at the shop and it's the jubille one, it looks really nice and the whole watch looks solid and clean but I wondered if that would have been the right bracelet for it and also, is 32k top money for a 1950s datejust? I know the shop has to make a profit and it does look nice and I would not expect to be able to sell it on for similar money, as i want it as a keepr if I do the deal. Appreciate your advice, thanks. hello, I'm looking for a bit of advice here. I've been offered a SS datejust with a jubilee bracelet for around £2k It has a new jubilee bracelet and it is a 1950's watch. Is this the right bracelet for this year watch and is 2k a decent price, given the age. The dealer is an independant shop but he has offered 6 months warranty. FWIW the watch looks pretty clean, and fits really well, the face is a cream colour with a light vertical stripe within it. Last edited by Tools; 10 January 2016 at 09:52 AM..

10 January 2016, 08:37 AM	#2
bubbaK "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: Neven Location: Twin Peaks, WA Watch: Serpico Y Laino Posts: 127	Pics would help ;) __________________ The owls are not what they seem.

10 January 2016, 08:50 AM	#3
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 41,924	Advice on vintage datejust and bracelet please I realize you don't have the watch so pictures might not be possible. The thing I'd suggest without pics is to be sure of the seller's reputation. Then see if he will guarantee it is all authentic Rolex parts - in other words if the RSC or an Authorized Dealer finds aftermarket crystal or bezel or crown or tube or other parts then you'd get a refund. A watch if that age needs to have been taken care of on the inside as much as the outside so be sure he will service it during the warranty period if Rolex says parts of the movement need replacement. Here's the thing about price - it's worth what you're willing to pay - we can't really judge it as fair or not from afar. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

10 January 2016, 09:47 AM	#5
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,494	You need to be more sure of the year and model. The Datejust was introduced in 1945, along with the Jubilee bracelet. Initially they were only in gold with the stainless steel version released in '57, almost all had a Jubilee bracelet until then. A "50s Datejust" could be a very rare animal indeed. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

10 January 2016, 09:20 AM	#4
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	He's not a Rolex dealer but I have sold a couple of items to him in the past and he seems like a fair sort of bloke with a small shop that has been there for about 8 years. If we assume that he does guarantee the parts are all genuine Rolex and that the guarantee that he provides covers parts etc. then is 2k a realistic price? Is a jubilee strap what should be on a 1950s model? I suppose it could have been replaced because the old one would have been 65 years old but would the original bracelet have been more desirable? image http://IMG_20160109_132046 (1).jpg[/IMG]

10 January 2016, 09:55 AM	#6
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	Tha face of the watch has a "cream" colour to it and it has what looks like a vertical stripe, the crown and bracelet are stainless steel, he definitely said it's 1950. How can i find out more or could i post a reference number here, if he gives me that, he's local and always prepared to answer questions? I wish I could post the picture that I took in the shop but I'm struggling with it, any help here appreciated too?

10 January 2016, 10:25 AM	#7
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,713	Your pics are not loading ?!

10 January 2016, 10:15 PM	#8
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	[QUOTE=Wilpert;6384328][IMG]IMG_20160109_132046 (1).jpg[/IMG] Im hoping this is it! IMG_20160109_132046 (1).jpg

11 January 2016, 01:26 AM	#9
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	pictures uploaded finally

11 January 2016, 02:09 AM	#10
andromeda160 Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Greg Location: michigan Watch: Rolex Oyster Posts: 4,046	The dial is a tapestry dial which usually came on quickset datejusts, but The case/bezel appear to be a 1603. Check the model and SN and report back here with the SN posted in a 9999xxx format. Definitely not from the 50s though.

11 January 2016, 02:38 AM	#11
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	I will do that. Are you thinking it's been put together from different watches, i.e. a newer dial on an older watch, what era is the tapestry dial from?

11 January 2016, 04:17 AM	#14
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	So just to clarify, based on the assumption that its a 70's or 80's watch, could the linen dial be original, thus meaning that the only thing not part of the original watch would be the bracelet, which has been replaced? Would a 70s/80's watch be any less attractive a deal than a 50's watch? My main consideration is that the whole thing is original (save for the bracelet).

11 January 2016, 08:19 AM	#16
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	Okay I what do I need to ask the seller, to then post on here to confirm the answers. I get it about about the tapestry tapestry not linen, that was a misunderstanding on my part. Thanks

12 January 2016, 08:10 AM	#17
Pchohan88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: England Posts: 18	you can pick up 1601 in pretty good condition with fair jubilee bracelets for around £1500! Solid movement workhorses! Late 70's!

12 January 2016, 06:29 PM	#18
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	Okay, I reckon I ought to divert my attention somewhere else then. I saw some on Chrono24 any reviews on this site?

15 January 2016, 05:54 AM	#20
Wilpert "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: London UK Posts: 96	Update on the watch I messaged the seller and expressed my concerns that it was not a 1950s watch. To b fair although he has a pretty good jewellers shop and trades in a few watches, he isnt necessarily a Rolex specialist. He apologised that he had made an error and misguided me and confirmed that the watch is a 1983 Rolex and the bracelet is in fact a new Jubilee one that he bought in to replae the old one, that was worn out and stretched. He does not have papers but said that it was service 3 years ago. He is looking for 2k. Is that a fair price? I must say it looks clean and tidy in the flesh and am tempted, I like the retro look of the tapestry dial in contrasting colour to the steel case and bracelet?

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