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psv · 9 April 2016, 10:57 AM

I was at AD today as I'm visiting Europe and the store manager (who sold me a SD4000 2 yrs ago) told me to hold on to that "old" model because he said Rolex is switching to glossy dial on it?! He didn't have one in stock to inspect.

Anyone heard or seen anything about this?

FTX I · 9 April 2016, 11:05 AM

Interesting.

rick101 · 9 April 2016, 11:08 AM

dont believe him for a minute. Baselworld has come and gone. Are we to believe he is privvy to what they might be doing NEXT year lol..cmon

LuminousMaximus · 9 April 2016, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rick101

dont believe him for a minute. Baselworld has come and gone. Are we to believe he is privvy to what they might be doing NEXT year lol..cmon

This..

seand442 · 9 April 2016, 11:12 AM

Don't know the truth, but that would be all I need to make a purchase.

DCheeta · 9 April 2016, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rick101

dont believe him for a minute. Baselworld has come and gone. Are we to believe he is privvy to what they might be doing NEXT year lol..cmon

Dial variations have come out pre- or post-Basel. The D-Blue for example, and I believe the blue sunburst dial on the gold Sub just suddenly appeared a few years ago without any Basel fanfare.

I love the matte dial on my SD4000, but who knows, Rolex may change it up.

GB-man · 9 April 2016, 03:23 PM

I'm all for it as I have mine

HauteHorlogerie · 9 April 2016, 03:27 PM

I was at basel...didn't hear this. I don't think this is the case..the 116600 dial can look glossy in some lighting as it is but it's matte. And no point for rolex to change that and honestly don't believe it at all.

yannis · 9 April 2016, 04:26 PM

Well if they change it that early in production (i.e. only two years after it started) this means the value for the early models will skyrocket.

kamonjj · 9 April 2016, 09:39 PM

I love the matte dial, it's part of the reason I made the purchase

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brandrea · 9 April 2016, 09:42 PM

I hope it's not true. The matte dial makes that watch IMO

Daytona88 · 9 April 2016, 09:54 PM

I prefer the matte dial as well

mps354 · 9 April 2016, 10:56 PM

Hope not...I'm planning to pick one up and much prefer the matte dial

jrs146 · 9 April 2016, 11:13 PM

The matte dial is nice. It makes for a great visual difference (besides the cyclops) of the SD and the Sub. I hope they keep it matte.

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antbkny · 9 April 2016, 11:18 PM

May as well slap a cyclops on it and call it a submariner

bobabreath · 9 April 2016, 11:22 PM

Clever sales tactic to make you buy one now!

RolexPete · 9 April 2016, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by antbkny

May as well slap a cyclops on it and call it a submariner

OK.

rick101 · 9 April 2016, 11:44 PM

i've looked at the SD4k several times up close and just don't get why people actually like the matte dial. To me it makes the watch appear grey/black and washed out. The piano black glossy dial on the sub and dssd look so much sharper and attractive to me. I was told the matte is due to being easier to see at depths when diving as the gloss can reflect but surely the DSSD would be matte also as it goes even deeper?

AK797 · 9 April 2016, 11:52 PM

Rather they should make the bezel more matte, the dial and bezel should match imho, like on the Subcs.

madmax21 · 10 April 2016, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rick101

dont believe him for a minute. Baselworld has come and gone. Are we to believe he is privvy to what they might be doing NEXT year lol..cmon

I totally agree..... there won't be anything new until next year

capote · 10 April 2016, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rick101

dont believe him for a minute. Baselworld has come and gone. Are we to believe he is privvy to what they might be doing NEXT year lol..cmon

The flat blue to sunburst blue on the 116613 didn't happen at Basel, did it?

bobabreath · 10 April 2016, 03:59 AM

A matte ceramic bezel on the SD4K would be a good move to match the satin dial. It would also be another way to differentiate the SD and keep the demand up. I'm not sure that a gloss dial would help it sell better.

SC11 · 10 April 2016, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabreath

A matte ceramic bezel on the SD4K would be a good move to match the satin dial. It would also be another way to differentiate the SD and keep the demand up. I'm not sure that a gloss dial would help it sell better.

Only downside is the lack of AR coating on the crystal results in quite a lot of reflection which gives the matte dial a gloss look a lot of the time.

I have a matte bezel on my 114060 and have compared it in quite a few different lighting conditions against my 116600 and there is still an obvious contrast between the satin dial and matte bezel

Here's a couple of pics

T01 · 10 April 2016, 06:13 AM

I doubt they'll change the dial

DCheeta · 10 April 2016, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rick101

i've looked at the SD4k several times up close and just don't get why people actually like the matte dial. To me it makes the watch appear grey/black and washed out. The piano black glossy dial on the sub and dssd look so much sharper and attractive to me. I was told the matte is due to being easier to see at depths when diving as the gloss can reflect but surely the DSSD would be matte also as it goes even deeper?

DSSD has the same matte dial as the SD4K. At least the original black one does.

psv · 10 April 2016, 08:33 AM

It was not a sale tactic, but I wasn't trying to buy either of the model. And it wouldn't count as a model change, just a dial adjustment, just like many other Rolex watches have had changes to the dials (think back to the font changes to the early DSSDs vs post V9xxx ones or how many Mark dials of the 5513). Neither of these "adjustments" were done at Basel, it is just Rolex adjusting production during the year.

I don't know what the truth is, he said the change was coming, and simply suggested that I hold on to my early one - not that I had any plans on selling it - my most worn watch by far!

Glidelock · 10 April 2016, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick101

i've looked at the SD4k several times up close and just don't get why people actually like the matte dial. To me it makes the watch appear grey/black and washed out. The piano black glossy dial on the sub and dssd look so much sharper and attractive to me. I was told the matte is due to being easier to see at depths when diving as the gloss can reflect but surely the DSSD would be matte also as it goes even deeper?

Rick, you hit the nail on the head in your very first sentence....you just don't get it!

I'm just kidding with you buddy! But seriously, for some of us that have long history with Rolex Sub's, the Satin dial is an homage to the watches we grew up loving. In fact for us, the could have gone with a more "Matte" finish instead of the Satin which is somewhere in between!

rick101 · 10 April 2016, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DCheeta

DSSD has the same matte dial as the SD4K. At least the original black one does.

Not sure your correct there fella.

DCheeta · 10 April 2016, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rick101

Not sure your correct there fella.

Look into it.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=449384

waterman1 · 10 April 2016, 09:11 AM

Holding them both under different light now. They look identical except the DSSD has the curved glass and SDc is flat so I think that can effect the look of dial a bit.

9 April 2016, 10:57 AM	#1
psv "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,077	Sea-Dweller 4000 now with glossy dial? I was at AD today as I'm visiting Europe and the store manager (who sold me a SD4000 2 yrs ago) told me to hold on to that "old" model because he said Rolex is switching to glossy dial on it?! He didn't have one in stock to inspect. Anyone heard or seen anything about this?

9 April 2016, 11:12 AM	#5
seand442 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Earth Watch: 116610 Posts: 3,455	Don't know the truth, but that would be all I need to make a purchase. __________________ NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT. FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL. THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.

9 April 2016, 04:26 PM	#9
yannis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Yannis Location: Europe Watch: maniac Posts: 9,070	Well if they change it that early in production (i.e. only two years after it started) this means the value for the early models will skyrocket. __________________ Rolex Submariner 116610LV \| Tudor 79220N DSSD MEMBERS - OWNERS CLUB

9 April 2016, 09:39 PM	#10
kamonjj "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Real Name: J Location: Pittsburgh, PA Watch: 16610 Posts: 225	I love the matte dial, it's part of the reason I made the purchase Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Current: ♛ Rolex 126200, ♛ Rolex 14060m equipped w/glidelock, Apple Watch, G-Shock Gone but not forgotten: Way too many to remember!

9 April 2016, 11:13 PM	#14
jrs146 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Josh Location: Lost in time Watch: Me Nae Nae Posts: 9,823	The matte dial is nice. It makes for a great visual difference (besides the cyclops) of the SD and the Sub. I hope they keep it matte. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own." -Jerome J. Garcia, Robert C. Hunter

9 April 2016, 11:05 AM	#2
FTX I "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Flavio Location: N/A Posts: 14,654	Interesting.

9 April 2016, 11:08 AM	#3
rick101 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: UK Posts: 442	dont believe him for a minute. Baselworld has come and gone. Are we to believe he is privvy to what they might be doing NEXT year lol..cmon

9 April 2016, 03:23 PM	#7
GB-man 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,643	I'm all for it as I have mine

9 April 2016, 03:27 PM	#8
HauteHorlogerie Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: My house Watch: 519LN \| 64A Posts: 1,241	I was at basel...didn't hear this. I don't think this is the case..the 116600 dial can look glossy in some lighting as it is but it's matte. And no point for rolex to change that and honestly don't believe it at all.

9 April 2016, 09:42 PM	#11
brandrea 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 79,665	I hope it's not true. The matte dial makes that watch IMO

9 April 2016, 09:54 PM	#12
Daytona88 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Watch: 5712 Posts: 2,653	I prefer the matte dial as well

9 April 2016, 10:56 PM	#13
mps354 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 9,147	Hope not...I'm planning to pick one up and much prefer the matte dial

9 April 2016, 11:18 PM	#15
antbkny "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Anthony Location: Brooklyn, NY Watch: Dblue Posts: 6,722	May as well slap a cyclops on it and call it a submariner

9 April 2016, 11:22 PM	#16
bobabreath "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: N. Carolina, USA Posts: 567	Clever sales tactic to make you buy one now!

9 April 2016, 11:44 PM	#18
rick101 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: UK Posts: 442	i've looked at the SD4k several times up close and just don't get why people actually like the matte dial. To me it makes the watch appear grey/black and washed out. The piano black glossy dial on the sub and dssd look so much sharper and attractive to me. I was told the matte is due to being easier to see at depths when diving as the gloss can reflect but surely the DSSD would be matte also as it goes even deeper?

9 April 2016, 11:52 PM	#19
AK797 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Rather they should make the bezel more matte, the dial and bezel should match imho, like on the Subcs.

10 April 2016, 03:59 AM	#22
bobabreath "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: N. Carolina, USA Posts: 567	A matte ceramic bezel on the SD4K would be a good move to match the satin dial. It would also be another way to differentiate the SD and keep the demand up. I'm not sure that a gloss dial would help it sell better.

10 April 2016, 06:13 AM	#24
T01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: T Location: AZ, NV, CA Posts: 6,490	I doubt they'll change the dial

10 April 2016, 08:33 AM	#26
psv "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,077	It was not a sale tactic, but I wasn't trying to buy either of the model. And it wouldn't count as a model change, just a dial adjustment, just like many other Rolex watches have had changes to the dials (think back to the font changes to the early DSSDs vs post V9xxx ones or how many Mark dials of the 5513). Neither of these "adjustments" were done at Basel, it is just Rolex adjusting production during the year. I don't know what the truth is, he said the change was coming, and simply suggested that I hold on to my early one - not that I had any plans on selling it - my most worn watch by far!

10 April 2016, 09:11 AM	#30
waterman1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: USA Posts: 920	Holding them both under different light now. They look identical except the DSSD has the curved glass and SDc is flat so I think that can effect the look of dial a bit.

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