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aw662 · 19 April 2016, 07:46 PM

Hi all,

I was in my local dealer the other day and they had a platinum Daytona in that someone was looking to buy. I managed to get a good look before they came in. I tried it on and immediately fell in love with it. I didn't love the price tag however. It's immediately become one of my Grail watches. It's not impossible but a way off yet. Whilst I was in there I mentioned that my grail watch already was a Richard Mille RM010 (my Grail watch tends to be highly unlikely but not impossible this gives me a sense of ambition). This made me wonder, hopefully some day I'll be in a position to purchase my Grail. Given that, in the position which would you chose and why? Platinum Daytona or RM010. Has anyone got these and managed to work out a discount with the AD? Are they wearable everyday? I'd like to know as much as I can to give me the desire to someday make this a reality!!! Included a couple pics.

RM pic not mine!!!

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Jason71 · 19 April 2016, 07:51 PM

Just personal taste, but that RM does nothing for me whatsoever. I love the Platinum Daytona though. It seems the good Doc Tom wears his daily

Samui · 19 April 2016, 07:51 PM

You need them both. They serve different purposes

travisb · 19 April 2016, 07:58 PM

I would think any AD would be more than willing to discount either one at that price point.
I can't speak on the RM but the Daytona can stand up to any and all daily wear. There are several here that use it as such.

Racerdj · 19 April 2016, 07:58 PM

Both would serve as grail watches for most.

rmlovett1 · 19 April 2016, 08:07 PM

The RM has never done anything for me personally, JMHO. I have the PT Daytona and absolutely love it! I wear it in rotation, 3,4,5 times a week. The Platinum feel/weight is fine for me and if it were my only watch, I'd wear it daily no problem. Dress it up, down, doesn't matter, it's very versatile. I'd think you can get a decent discount at the AD, I went with a trusted seller here. Good luck. I hope to see your grail soon!

hoanghung45 · 19 April 2016, 08:13 PM

Platinum Daytona is still a Rolex but a RM is RM. I don't think Rolex is comparable with RM, sorry
With RM you can join any party. Platona ? not at all

aw662 · 19 April 2016, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoanghung45

Platinum Daytona is still a Rolex but a RM is RM. I don't think Rolex is comparable with RM, sorry
With RM you can join any party. Platona ? not at all

I get that there not comparable in certain respects. What do you mean RM you can join any party? I think it could be argued that a platinum Rolex carries merit as much as an RM?

brettpaul · 19 April 2016, 08:47 PM

Only time will tell, but I find the RM line to be a bit trendy and am not yet convinced they will stand the test of time - I do truly appreciate their design/materials/craftsmanship, but I don't at all feel like their prices are justified - for me, I'd take the funds and buy new/vintage Patek and Rolex any day of the week.

brandrea · 19 April 2016, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Racerdj

Both would serve as grail watches for most.

Indeed

ppalasthira · 19 April 2016, 08:55 PM

Both are definitely Grail material right there. The Platona and the RM is both very good everyday wearers. Some TRFers actually wear the Platona as their daily watch. But I can't speak from personal experience because both are a bit out of my budget.

Muzz · 19 April 2016, 09:18 PM

Very different pieces. Guess you need to decide what your Grail is going to be. Anything that requires a level of financial sacrifice or time to locate can in my honest opinion fill the grail slot.

hoanghung45 · 19 April 2016, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aw662

I get that there not comparable in certain respects. What do you mean RM you can join any party? I think it could be argued that a platinum Rolex carries merit as much as an RM?

What i mean is RM is on the top of the food chain

I can wear my Platona to an RM, AP tourbillon meeting just fine. People do notice my watch but i don't think i will get the most conversation/credit out of my Platona. No offensive

Sarko · 19 April 2016, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hoanghung45

Platinum Daytona is still a Rolex but a RM is RM. I don't think Rolex is comparable with RM, sorry
With RM you can join any party. Platona ? not at all

Nonsense, at least Rolex has some history behind the brand and Rolex did allot of pioneering work in horology like:

-first perpetual movement
-first waterproof case (Oyster in 1926)
-first date complication (1946 Datejust)
-first GMT movement

What has RM done? Started in 1999 and It was just recently that they started to produce own movements if I am correct.

I like RM but it is mostly hype due to the abnormal high prices and forced exclusivity. I take a complicated Patek, ALS or F.P.Journe any day of the week above the RM.
my 2 cent.

Verdi · 19 April 2016, 09:33 PM

I have no love for RM whatsoever.

They have a boutique in Dubai, tried a few models. Way to busy dials for me. Not enough tradition.....It's the one of the new kids on the block brands.

If I were to spend that much on a watch Id look at PP and VC.

Sarko · 19 April 2016, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoanghung45

What i mean is RM is on the top of the food chain

I can wear my Platona to an RM, AP tourbillon meeting just fine. People do notice my watch but i don't think i will get the most conversation/credit out of my Platona. No offensive

I think what you mean is that with RM people will notice (if they know the brand) that you have allot of money. So it seems that you buy a watch in order to people to notice it and to get conformation/conversation. That's okay, No offence!
This is the forced exclusivity I was talking about. Mostly people with real deep pockets can afford a RM, this has nothing to do with the top of the food chain horologically speaking. It has to do with the forced pricing exclusivity.

Horologically speaking the top of the food chain are the brands like Patek, F.P. Journe, Lange, Jeager etc..

hoanghung45 · 19 April 2016, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarko

Nonsense, at least Rolex has some history behind the brand and Rolex did allot of pioneering work in horology like:

-first perpetual movement
-first waterproof case (Oyster in 1926)
-first date complication (1946 Datejust)
-first GMT movement

What has RM done? Started in 1999 and It was just recently that they started to produce own movements if I am correct.

I like RM but it is mostly hype due to the abnormal high prices and forced exclusivity. I take a complicated Patek, ALS or F.P.Journe any day of the week above the RM.
my 2 cent.

The irony is most RM customer are serious collectors, not beginners. They had/has ton of complicated watches before a RM

Bfd70 · 19 April 2016, 09:53 PM

I'll address another aspect of the OP: "are they wearable every day?"
That pretty much depends on your day. I like the looks of the RM but for me, no way. I play wayyyy to rough. The platona....well I suppose the watch could take it, but my heart couldn't handle the stress.

Sarko · 19 April 2016, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoanghung45

The irony is most RM customer are serious collectors, not beginners. They had/has ton of complicated watches before a RM

You are right, but it is still only forced exclusivity. Same thing that Hublot is trying to do but with no succes.

beshannon · 19 April 2016, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aw662

Given that, in the position which would you chose and why?

Neither of those.

I do not even know what that RM is supposed to be, at least the Daytona is readable.

aw662 · 19 April 2016, 10:20 PM

Just as an outsider based on feedback. How about the Patek 5712R? What's the thoughts on that piece?

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hoanghung45 · 19 April 2016, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarko

You are right, but it is still only forced exclusivity. Same thing that Hublot is trying to do but with no succes.

Don't get me wrong but i'm being as simplistic and realistic as possible. Only if my A8 can park in front of the hotel just like other RR Phantom/Ghost. That would be great

joe100 · 19 April 2016, 10:34 PM

My Grail is a Zenith A Cairelli issued chronograph.

texex91 · 19 April 2016, 10:40 PM

RM is the grail IMHO. With only 2200 watches produced a year, it's a brand that no matter which one you buy, it's a grail.

As stated by someone already, most RM owners have had or have dozens of high end watches and not buying an RM as their first grail piece. It's not a brand that people jump directly into--it's for collectors typically.

RM owners are not concerned with price or justification of such, they buy because they want to and enjoy the exclusivity of the brand.

An RM owner would not think about a this or that with Rolex, because they probably have a few already.

Most commenting on RM have not ever tried on, probably ever seen one in person and certainly not visited their factory to really understand what goes into these watches. As a owner of various RM's over the years, I can say with full confidence that it's an amazing brand and watch.

Then again you're asking the question in a Rolex forum--go figure.

henry333 · 19 April 2016, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aw662

I get that there not comparable in certain respects. What do you mean RM you can join any party? I think it could be argued that a platinum Rolex carries merit as much as an RM?

I think RM is like another level ...

VIG · 19 April 2016, 10:53 PM

I would go Daytona...go figure. A guy on a Rolex forum preferring the Rolex.

My reasoning is that I feel the RM is a bit trendy, but the Rolex will never go out of style.

AK797 · 19 April 2016, 10:53 PM

Platona for me, I always liked Roger over Rafa.

Vipes · 19 April 2016, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Platona for me, I always liked Roger over Rafa.

Good one

rollerballer · 19 April 2016, 11:11 PM

Grail watch - RM
Daily Beater - Platona

Investr · 20 April 2016, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Platona for me, I always liked Roger over Rafa.

Good comparison!! Also, Jordan Speith vs Bubba. Im not a RM fan at all!!!

19 April 2016, 07:46 PM	#1
aw662 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Southampton Watch: Date Just ii Posts: 169	Grail choice. Hi all, I was in my local dealer the other day and they had a platinum Daytona in that someone was looking to buy. I managed to get a good look before they came in. I tried it on and immediately fell in love with it. I didn't love the price tag however. It's immediately become one of my Grail watches. It's not impossible but a way off yet. Whilst I was in there I mentioned that my grail watch already was a Richard Mille RM010 (my Grail watch tends to be highly unlikely but not impossible this gives me a sense of ambition). This made me wonder, hopefully some day I'll be in a position to purchase my Grail. Given that, in the position which would you chose and why? Platinum Daytona or RM010. Has anyone got these and managed to work out a discount with the AD? Are they wearable everyday? I'd like to know as much as I can to give me the desire to someday make this a reality!!! Included a couple pics. RM pic not mine!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

19 April 2016, 07:51 PM	#2
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	Just personal taste, but that RM does nothing for me whatsoever. I love the Platinum Daytona though. It seems the good Doc Tom wears his daily __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

19 April 2016, 07:58 PM	#5
Racerdj 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Indianapolis Watch: Patek-Philippe Posts: 16,832	Both would serve as grail watches for most. __________________ Rolex and Patek Philippe

19 April 2016, 08:47 PM	#9
brettpaul "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Brett Location: Bahrain, Dubai Watch: Rolex and AP Posts: 5,538	Only time will tell, but I find the RM line to be a bit trendy and am not yet convinced they will stand the test of time - I do truly appreciate their design/materials/craftsmanship, but I don't at all feel like their prices are justified - for me, I'd take the funds and buy new/vintage Patek and Rolex any day of the week. __________________ Photostream on Instagram brett_in_bahrain

19 April 2016, 09:33 PM	#15
Verdi "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mitch Location: UAE Watch: Big Ben Posts: 2,451	I have no love for RM whatsoever. They have a boutique in Dubai, tried a few models. Way to busy dials for me. Not enough tradition.....It's the one of the new kids on the block brands. If I were to spend that much on a watch Id look at PP and VC. __________________ IG: @watch_idiot_savant

19 April 2016, 07:51 PM	#3
Samui Banned Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Tokyo Posts: 611	You need them both. They serve different purposes

19 April 2016, 07:58 PM	#4
travisb "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,820	I would think any AD would be more than willing to discount either one at that price point. I can't speak on the RM but the Daytona can stand up to any and all daily wear. There are several here that use it as such.

19 April 2016, 08:07 PM	#6
rmlovett1 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Richard Location: GA Watch: YTBD Posts: 23,726	The RM has never done anything for me personally, JMHO. I have the PT Daytona and absolutely love it! I wear it in rotation, 3,4,5 times a week. The Platinum feel/weight is fine for me and if it were my only watch, I'd wear it daily no problem. Dress it up, down, doesn't matter, it's very versatile. I'd think you can get a decent discount at the AD, I went with a trusted seller here. Good luck. I hope to see your grail soon!

19 April 2016, 08:13 PM	#7
hoanghung45 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Home Watch: AP Posts: 253	Platinum Daytona is still a Rolex but a RM is RM. I don't think Rolex is comparable with RM, sorry With RM you can join any party. Platona ? not at all

19 April 2016, 08:55 PM	#11
ppalasthira Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: ASK Watch: SubC.5711.D500 Posts: 2,236	Both are definitely Grail material right there. The Platona and the RM is both very good everyday wearers. Some TRFers actually wear the Platona as their daily watch. But I can't speak from personal experience because both are a bit out of my budget.

19 April 2016, 09:18 PM	#12
Muzz "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Steve Location: TO CAD, HCMC VN Watch: MP 18946 Posts: 7,292	Very different pieces. Guess you need to decide what your Grail is going to be. Anything that requires a level of financial sacrifice or time to locate can in my honest opinion fill the grail slot.

19 April 2016, 09:53 PM	#18
Bfd70 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 893	I'll address another aspect of the OP: "are they wearable every day?" That pretty much depends on your day. I like the looks of the RM but for me, no way. I play wayyyy to rough. The platona....well I suppose the watch could take it, but my heart couldn't handle the stress.

19 April 2016, 10:20 PM	#21
aw662 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Southampton Watch: Date Just ii Posts: 169	Just as an outsider based on feedback. How about the Patek 5712R? What's the thoughts on that piece? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

19 April 2016, 10:34 PM	#23
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	My Grail is a Zenith A Cairelli issued chronograph. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

19 April 2016, 10:40 PM	#24
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	RM is the grail IMHO. With only 2200 watches produced a year, it's a brand that no matter which one you buy, it's a grail. As stated by someone already, most RM owners have had or have dozens of high end watches and not buying an RM as their first grail piece. It's not a brand that people jump directly into--it's for collectors typically. RM owners are not concerned with price or justification of such, they buy because they want to and enjoy the exclusivity of the brand. An RM owner would not think about a this or that with Rolex, because they probably have a few already. Most commenting on RM have not ever tried on, probably ever seen one in person and certainly not visited their factory to really understand what goes into these watches. As a owner of various RM's over the years, I can say with full confidence that it's an amazing brand and watch. Then again you're asking the question in a Rolex forum--go figure.

19 April 2016, 10:53 PM	#26
VIG "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: USA Watch: this! Posts: 409	I would go Daytona...go figure. A guy on a Rolex forum preferring the Rolex. My reasoning is that I feel the RM is a bit trendy, but the Rolex will never go out of style.

19 April 2016, 10:53 PM	#27
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Platona for me, I always liked Roger over Rafa.

19 April 2016, 11:11 PM	#29
rollerballer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: SS Posts: 137	Grail watch - RM Daily Beater - Platona

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