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geepee · 31 July 2008, 09:49 AM

So, I'm considering an unsold GMT II Coke Reference 16710T.
Serial # Z642XXX.

I described the wiggle test to the AD jeweler over the telephone and he said that when he moves the hour hand clockwise, the minute hand does not move; but when he moves it counterclockwise, it does jiggle a little.

Then her performed the same test on his personal GMT-ceramic, and it performed identically.

So, what do you think? 3185 or 3186?

He won't take the back off of the Coke bc it's a "new" watch.

And the $ is almost full retail!

gmtobsessed · 31 July 2008, 09:53 AM

Hi Geepee, I'm not expert on this but I've heard only late Z series have the 3186 movt. I not sure if Z6 already have the new movt.

Some expert will answer it soon here!

dweller · 31 July 2008, 10:57 AM

That maybe to early a Z but you never know. The GMT hand is the one to watch while adjusting the hour hand forward and backwards, there is no movememt in the GMT hand with the 3186, very slight movement to the min. hand.

Art161 · 31 July 2008, 11:43 AM

Perhaps the AD would remove the back of the case if you went there in person, agreed on the price, put the cash on the counter, and said you would buy it only if it had the 3186 movement.

Trurolexer · 31 July 2008, 12:21 PM

I heard the 3186 starting in M serial for 16710.

Tools · 31 July 2008, 12:26 PM

If you want it and the price is right, get it.. They aren't making any more..

People are getting too wrapped up in a minor change to a very solid movement.....

scottschoe · 31 July 2008, 12:31 PM

Should be a 3185. Haven't seen a 3186 reported on a serial near that low.

Z-Sub · 31 July 2008, 02:57 PM

and after are 3186 movements.
My Z7 is 3185.
Still about the same in terms of quality and accuracy.

mcoccia · 31 July 2008, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z-Sub

and after are 3186 movements.
My Z7 is 3185.
Still about the same in terms of quality and accuracy.

I agree. My 13 yrs old EXP2 runs within 2 seconds per week.

gmtobsessed · 31 July 2008, 04:38 PM

I believe that an AD would sell the last remaining 16710 without or little discount because its not produced anymore, even Z series w/ 3185 if they still have it. I think same goes for sea-dweller

oworkman · 31 July 2008, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

If you want it and the price is right, get it.. They aren't making any more..

People are getting too wrapped up in a minor change to a very solid movement.....

I just bought my Z with 3185 and that suits me to a tee!!!

2careless · 31 July 2008, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geepee

So, I'm considering an unsold GMT II Coke Reference 16710T.
Serial # Z642XXX.

I described the wiggle test to the AD jeweler over the telephone and he said that when he moves the hour hand clockwise, the minute hand does not move; but when he moves it counterclockwise, it does jiggle a little.

Passing the wiggle test means when you turn the hour hand, the 24-hour hand doesn't move. Don't observe the minute hand as it will jiggle...
See my video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOx7bPguZgI

TimeOnHand · 31 July 2008, 10:37 PM

FYI...

When you do the wiggle test... you are looking to see wether when you move the 12 hour hand the 24 hour hand wiggles or not... NOT the minute hand! The minute hand will move a bit which is normal same as the GMT C.

Hope this helps.

padi56 · 31 July 2008, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

If you want it and the price is right, get it.. They aren't making any more..

People are getting too wrapped up in a minor change to a very solid movement.....

Could not agree more Larry they make a very minor change to the basic cal ebauche,then most everyone whoops and shouts its a new movement.But in reality its still almost 95% the same as first Cal introduced almost 20 years ago.And IMO no more accurate or longer lasting than the well proved 3185 which is based on the main Cal for most of Rolex watches the Cal 3035.

MR ROBINSON · 31 July 2008, 11:29 PM

Not an expert, but id say it was a 3185..

karmatp · 1 August 2008, 12:23 AM

I would like to pick up a GMT II in the near future and I could care less if I get one with the 3185 or the 3186. All this hype over the 3186 is definitely contagious, I found myself thinking I wanted one for a couple of day's then it passed, I felt like I saw the light. The 3185 is a fantastic movement and the 3186 is not better to me, just a minor change. Stick dial, error dial, whatever, the Roman II looks better anyway. You will be very happy with both watches, don't pay extra for a 3186. Their was just a BNIB, M serial pepsi with 3186 that sold for $5000 on another forum, all the stickers were in place, just like at a AD. I look at that price and use it as a reference of what I should pay for one, I missed that one by the way. I would have bought it if it had the 3185 or the 3186 and been very happy. Good luck

31 July 2008, 09:49 AM	#1
geepee "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 66	3185 or 3186: That is the Question So, I'm considering an unsold GMT II Coke Reference 16710T. Serial # Z642XXX. I described the wiggle test to the AD jeweler over the telephone and he said that when he moves the hour hand clockwise, the minute hand does not move; but when he moves it counterclockwise, it does jiggle a little. Then her performed the same test on his personal GMT-ceramic, and it performed identically. So, what do you think? 3185 or 3186? He won't take the back off of the Coke bc it's a "new" watch. And the $ is almost full retail!

31 July 2008, 11:43 AM	#4
Art161 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Art Location: San Francisco Watch: Sundial Posts: 2,266	Perhaps the AD would remove the back of the case if you went there in person, agreed on the price, put the cash on the counter, and said you would buy it only if it had the 3186 movement. __________________ Rolex SS Oyster Perpetual no date, TT Datejust Member #13992 HM Power to the Superlative Panda, officially certified! HMPanda eats, shoots and leaves. Rolexers do it with perpetual movements.

31 July 2008, 12:26 PM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,494	If you want it and the price is right, get it.. They aren't making any more.. People are getting too wrapped up in a minor change to a very solid movement..... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

31 July 2008, 12:31 PM	#7
scottschoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CA Posts: 3,295	Should be a 3185. Haven't seen a 3186 reported on a serial near that low. __________________ __________________

31 July 2008, 02:57 PM	#8
Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	Z97xxxx and after are 3186 movements. My Z7 is 3185. Still about the same in terms of quality and accuracy. __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

31 July 2008, 09:53 AM	#2
gmtobsessed "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indonesia Posts: 1,373	Hi Geepee, I'm not expert on this but I've heard only late Z series have the 3186 movt. I not sure if Z6 already have the new movt. Some expert will answer it soon here!

31 July 2008, 10:57 AM	#3
dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: usa Posts: 249	That maybe to early a Z but you never know. The GMT hand is the one to watch while adjusting the hour hand forward and backwards, there is no movememt in the GMT hand with the 3186, very slight movement to the min. hand.

31 July 2008, 12:21 PM	#5
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	I heard the 3186 starting in M serial for 16710.

31 July 2008, 04:38 PM	#10
gmtobsessed "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indonesia Posts: 1,373	I believe that an AD would sell the last remaining 16710 without or little discount because its not produced anymore, even Z series w/ 3185 if they still have it. I think same goes for sea-dweller

31 July 2008, 10:37 PM	#13
TimeOnHand "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Kevin Location: Hong Kong Watch: Rolex Air-King Posts: 4,468	FYI... When you do the wiggle test... you are looking to see wether when you move the 12 hour hand the 24 hour hand wiggles or not... NOT the minute hand! The minute hand will move a bit which is normal same as the GMT C. Hope this helps. __________________ Instagram: timeonhand1010

31 July 2008, 11:29 PM	#15
MR ROBINSON "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SUFFOLK Posts: 14	Not an expert, but id say it was a 3185..

1 August 2008, 12:23 AM	#16
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	I would like to pick up a GMT II in the near future and I could care less if I get one with the 3185 or the 3186. All this hype over the 3186 is definitely contagious, I found myself thinking I wanted one for a couple of day's then it passed, I felt like I saw the light. The 3185 is a fantastic movement and the 3186 is not better to me, just a minor change. Stick dial, error dial, whatever, the Roman II looks better anyway. You will be very happy with both watches, don't pay extra for a 3186. Their was just a BNIB, M serial pepsi with 3186 that sold for $5000 on another forum, all the stickers were in place, just like at a AD. I look at that price and use it as a reference of what I should pay for one, I missed that one by the way. I would have bought it if it had the 3185 or the 3186 and been very happy. Good luck

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