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learnmore60 · 6 August 2008, 03:16 AM

Hey Guys,

I've finally narrowed down my choice for my first Panerai between the 233 or the 270.

I like the no. '9' of the 270 but not sure about paying the extra bucks for a very similar looking watch?

Any opinions which would be a better purchase?

cheers

SlowKarter · 6 August 2008, 03:51 AM

Here's my feedback (I went through this process a month ago).

I went to my AD's looking for a 233. I just got a 190 a few days prior and thought it would be cool to have a pair of 8 days. Had my AD have a 233 in stock, I'd probably be wearing a 233 right now, but he had a 270 instead. Since then, the 270 has become my favorite watch.

Let me start with the cons of the 270:

1. Most Paneristi prefer manual wind watch. They don't see the point in having a long power reserve automatic. Here's my take: it's true. There's no need to have a long PR auto if you wear the watch everyday. I wear it on week ends and my biggest beef w/ my Explorer 2 is having to reset the date after a week of use. With the 270, I wear it on the week end, make sure it's fully wound when I put it away on Sunday and it's ready to wear up to 10 days later. If you actively wear it (walk around, be active, not just sit on your desk all day) the watch will fully wound itself in about a day and a half. I've had 2 week ends where I wore it sparingly, and I find myself having a wind a little to top it off Sunday night.

I prefer the 270 over the 233 because
1. I like the dial better
2. the 270 is slightly thicker and heavier. i have small wrist, but prefer hefty watches
3. i don't HATE winding, i don't enjoy it either, so I prefer the 270

I went on a 2 week vacation immediately after getting the 270 so I had a lot of downtime staring at the dial. I very much prefer the 270 dial over the 233, but being a 270 owner, I am very 270 biased.

If you like winding watches and think a 10 day auto is silly, then 233 is the way to go. I don't enjoy winding watches, and like seeing the watch PR move up as I wear it. I'm a 270 guy.

Last but not least, you only need to wind the 233 once a week (sure you can wind the 233 everyday, but you only need to do it once a week), but you get to enjoy the 270 dial many times a day. Also, if you wear the 270 as a week end wear like me, then you get to wind it once a week also. You just don't have to wind it as much :)

At the end of the day, you'll be happy with either choice. If you are a purist (which by looking at your collection, you don't seem to be -- you have mostly Rolex autos), then get a 233. The 270 gives you more flexibility. I like the option of NOT having to wind the watch.

BigHat · 6 August 2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SlowKarter

Here's my feedback (I went through this process a month ago).

I went to my AD's looking for a 233. I just got a 190 a few days prior and thought it would be cool to have a pair of 8 days. Had my AD have a 233 in stock, I'd probably be wearing a 233 right now, but he had a 270 instead. Since then, the 270 has become my favorite watch.

Let me start with the cons of the 270:

1. Most Paneristi prefer manual wind watch. They don't see the point in having a long power reserve automatic. Here's my take: it's true. There's no need to have a long PR auto if you wear the watch everyday. I wear it on week ends and my biggest beef w/ my Explorer 2 is having to reset the date after a week of use. With the 270, I wear it on the week end, make sure it's fully wound when I put it away on Sunday and it's ready to wear up to 10 days later. If you actively wear it (walk around, be active, not just sit on your desk all day) the watch will fully wound itself in about a day and a half. I've had 2 week ends where I wore it sparingly, and I find myself having a wind a little to top it off Sunday night.

I prefer the 270 over the 233 because
1. I like the dial better
2. the 270 is slightly thicker and heavier. i have small wrist, but prefer hefty watches
3. i don't HATE winding, i don't enjoy it either, so I prefer the 270

I went on a 2 week vacation immediately after getting the 270 so I had a lot of downtime staring at the dial. I very much prefer the 270 dial over the 233, but being a 270 owner, I am very 270 biased.

If you like winding watches and think a 10 day auto is silly, then 233 is the way to go. I don't enjoy winding watches, and like seeing the watch PR move up as I wear it. I'm a 270 guy.

Last but not least, you only need to wind the 233 once a week (sure you can wind the 233 everyday, but you only need to do it once a week), but you get to enjoy the 270 dial many times a day. Also, if you wear the 270 as a week end wear like me, then you get to wind it once a week also. You just don't have to wind it as much :)

At the end of the day, you'll be happy with either choice. If you are a purist (which by looking at your collection, you don't seem to be -- you have mostly Rolex autos), then get a 233. The 270 gives you more flexibility. I like the option of NOT having to wind the watch.

I think your assessment is well-reasoned.

I find the auto-wind feature on this p2002 (233) variant to be silly. Not that an autowind isn't a good thing, but it clashes with the nature of the watch and certainly the dial design, especially the shark's tooth. I recall the WatchTime feature on Panny in Spring '07 quite well as it sparked me to get a 233. Sadly, I think the huge investment, for them, in an in-house movement meant everything had to be based on it: auto-winder, chrono and even the tourbillion. I read of the 2003/2004/2005 movements before I had a 233 and I was never tempted to wait.

On the 270, the power meter should be on the back and offer a different dial look (aside from a "9"). I think they missed the boat with this model. The 233s 10-day reserve (though labeled 8) is plenty. Even when I don't wear it for awhile, I typically get a chance to interact with it for a minute a week or so and keep it wound.

SlowKarter · 6 August 2008, 04:31 AM

I completely agree with the PR meter being moved to the back. I love that in my 190. Out of the way, not cluttering the dial.

TswaneNguni · 6 August 2008, 05:51 AM

270 vs 233 ? Hmmm despite the small differences,they are both ss 1950 cased Luminors with a weeks or so power reserve.Is the 270 worth the extra $$ ? Thats the only question you need to ask and answer yourself.IMO both are very nice.

Teago · 6 August 2008, 06:06 AM

I say the 233. But i'm totally biassed as I picked one up today! My first ever Panerai and has been a very difficult decision. Luckily I was helped by the AD having a 233 in stock and huge wait for a 270 which seem difficult to get hold of. SlowKarter has well spelt out the pros and cons of each.

SlowKarter · 6 August 2008, 06:08 AM

Yeah, in the end you will be happy with either.

Though if you get the 270, you will get flack from the 233 owners who laugh at an auto w/ long PR.

I did check out the IWC collection this past week end though (now that I'm spoiled with long PR watches) and all their 7 day watches are auto movements.

So I guess I'm not the only nut around.

BigHat · 6 August 2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SlowKarter

Though if you get the 270, you will get flack from the 233 owners who laugh at an auto w/ long PR.

So I guess I'm not the only nut around.

I don't think you're a nut.

SlowKarter · 6 August 2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHat

I don't think you're a nut.

well, given what has transpired over at the pam forum over the 104 wobble, i'm beginning to question my sanity.

learnmore60 · 6 August 2008, 07:05 AM

Thanks for the opinions so far and 'Slowkarter' for your detailed analysis. I too am someone that likes to wear certain watches at weekends and would prefer an auto winding watch that has a long PR. But the fact that the 233 gives nearly 10 days in practicality and the price difference could make sense to go for the 233. But I just prefer the look of the 270...and the thicker and heavier case makes it a little more appealing.

Will the 270 hold its value better?

SlowKarter · 6 August 2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by learnmore60

Will the 270 hold its value better?

that's hard to tell. In the US secondary market, I'm seeing a tiny bit more dollar amount drop in the 233 vs the 270. However, there's many more 233 around vs 270. I visited 8-9 AD's throughout Germany and Austria last month and saw about 4-5 233's. I've also seen a couple of 233's here recently, but the only 270 I've seen at an AD is the one I bought.

So you can argue that scarcity is artificially holding the price up, though the price point also makes it more difficult to sell, thus the necessity to lower prices in the secondary market.

explodingtaco · 6 August 2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SlowKarter

I did check out the IWC collection this past week end though (now that I'm spoiled with long PR watches) and all their 7 day watches are auto movements.

So I guess I'm not the only nut around.

Think about it as an every day wearer fully charged on monday morning. You go the office m-f, friday night you go out on the town, you stay active enough that the watch stays fully charged all week long. The weekend you take the watch off for 52 hours (2am on friday night to 7am on monday morning). This time off the wrist would have of course required you to wind any normal auto. BUT not this 8 day IWC or 10 day Pam. Now over the next 5 days you charge it back to full.

Now comes the long weekend, you get off thursday and dont go back to work untill tuesday morning. This time the watch is off for 4.5 days or 108 hours. But guess what, Tuesday morning you look at the watch and you dont have to set it, you MIGHT need to wind it to get it too a full charge but if you are active enough you wont even have to do that.

An Auto 10 day is the ultimate worry free watch.

sphereman · 6 August 2008, 08:51 AM

here is my 2 cents.

i had my 233 for about 2 months. I loved it. sold it because ...

1. 8-day manual wind. it is fun but it is a chore to wind it. smooth but takes a long time to wind it fully

2. i did not like the dial with the 9. dial looked to me a little unbalanced.

now.. i recently acquired a 270.
1. i like the dial a lot better. it is perfect.
2. although i know automatic movement is not a panerai thing but it is not so bad
3. the case is too thick. if you have a small wrist, 233 might be a better choice. 233 sits on my wrist a lot more comfortably.
4. domed crystal is slightly more round on the 270.. i think
5. i like the am/pm small dial for GMT.

conclusion.. 270 over 233 hands down

learnmore60 · 6 August 2008, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sphereman

here is my 2 cents.

i had my 233 for about 2 months. I loved it. sold it because ...

2. i did not like the dial with the 9. dial looked to me a little unbalanced.

conclusion.. 270 over 233 hands down

Thanks 'Sphereman' great to have a comparison from someone who has had both at some point.

I have a question to clarify.. you mentioned you sold it (233) because you "did not like the dial with the 9". DO you mean "you did not like the dial WITHOUT the 9" and thats why you bought the 270?

cheers

sphereman · 6 August 2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by learnmore60

Thanks 'Sphereman' great to have a comparison from someone who has had both at some point.

I have a question to clarify.. you mentioned you sold it (233) because you "did not like the dial with the 9". DO you mean "you did not like the dial WITHOUT the 9" and thats why you bought the 270?

cheers

sorry. i meant.. dial without the 9..

sphereman · 6 August 2008, 10:26 AM

also, when you wind your 233, unless you are carefully, it is very easy to scratch the bezel with your nail.

TswaneNguni · 6 August 2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SlowKarter

that's hard to tell. In the US secondary market, I'm seeing a tiny bit more dollar amount drop in the 233 vs the 270. However, there's many more 233 around vs 270. I visited 8-9 AD's throughout Germany and Austria last month and saw about 4-5 233's. I've also seen a couple of 233's here recently, but the only 270 I've seen at an AD is the one I bought.

So you can argue that scarcity is artificially holding the price up, though the price point also makes it more difficult to sell, thus the necessity to lower prices in the secondary market.

Agree.My part of the world the same.More 233s vs 270s.270s are more difficult to find.

Also true on the re-sale.

"Re-sale" ..... that sounds so "Daytonaesque" .....

I much prefer "value keeper" and in that regard,both the 233 and the 270 fall in the same category.Like most PAMs.The greatest value of course being,the pleasure of slapping it on the wrist.

TswaneNguni · 6 August 2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sphereman

also, when you wind your 233, unless you are carefully, it is very easy to scratch the bezel with your nail.

Ceramic nails ??

pwrslider · 6 August 2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

270 vs 233 ? Hmmm despite the small differences,they are both ss 1950 cased Luminors with a weeks or so power reserve.Is the 270 worth the extra $$ ? Thats the only question you need to ask and answer yourself.IMO both are very nice.

X2!! I'd go with the 233

BigHat · 7 August 2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Ceramic nails ??

This cracked me up too.

Was wondering the same thing. Hardened SS vs my finger nail (not long anyway)? Finger nail loses.

SlowKarter · 7 August 2008, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BigHat

This cracked me up too.

Was wondering the same thing. Hardened SS vs my finger nail (not long anyway)? Finger nail loses.

I think you should try taking the edge of your nails and taking it to your own watches w/ brushed stainless steel (not the chrome ones). If you're sure this is not going to cause any marks, then you should back it up by trying it on the brushed SS part. If you're not making any marks, try harder. And please report back to us.

Be sure you try this with your OWN watch... or watches at your AD, not watches belonging to other people.

I haven't done it to my own watches, but I've accidentally done it to other metals. You don't get a deep scratch, but you do leave a mark.

BigHat · 7 August 2008, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SlowKarter

I think you should try taking the edge of your nails and taking it to your own watches w/ brushed stainless steel (not the chrome ones). If you're sure this is not going to cause any marks, then you should back it up by trying it on the brushed SS part. If you're not making any marks, try harder. And please report back to us.

Be sure you try this with your OWN watch... or watches at your AD, not watches belonging to other people.

I haven't done it to my own watches, but I've accidentally done it to other metals. You don't get a deep scratch, but you do leave a mark.

Well I have a 233 as you can see below. I'll inspect it when I return home tonight. Since I have owned / wound it for a year and photograph it often, I will quite surprised to find "finger nail" scratches. Of course, I have no intention of trying to mar my watches, but if I do find marks I'll be sure to post a world-wide Panerai alert for their "1950-style" manual watches. This could be serious.

SlowKarter · 7 August 2008, 03:00 AM

I think brushed finishes are susceptible to marks. Like I said, I don't know if this is true in the watches, but I've accidentally left marks on brushed finishes to know not to try.

I re-read my post, and I apologize for the tone. I don't mean to be harsh, but I too am curious whether the PAM finish is more durable or not. I certainly don't have the balls to try though.

funlab · 7 August 2008, 05:28 AM

great discussion on the 233 v 270!

David1971 · 7 August 2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sphereman

also, when you wind your 233, unless you are carefully, it is very easy to scratch the bezel with your nail.

True, the bezel on my PAM 00005 has been scratched by my nail when winding it.

leopardprey · 7 August 2008, 11:03 AM

As a owner of a 233 I would have to say the 233. Great watch. Had mone for about 5 months now and have worn it pretty much 24/7. And that includes several months with it in afghanistan, and swimming/mountain biking with it the last couple of months. Now traveling through northern Thailand with it strapped to my wrist.

I personally find the 6 and 12 onle dial to be a little better balanced than the added 9 on the 270 dial. Also I like the day/night indicator on the 233 better than the am/pm indicator on the 270. I also love the 8 day manual wind. Wind it up every 7 or 8 days, takes about 1.5-2 minutes. The 233 is a very modern yet at same time vintage looking watch. And the price would also be an issue. You could save couple thousand dollars with the 233 instead of the 270 and with that couple thousand saved, take a nice overseas trip and really test out that GMT Watch!

As for scratches on the bezel, yep, many many scrathces and dings on the watch. But that happens if you "wear" the watch as it was built for and do not baby it or keep it in a safe.

brainbizz · 7 August 2008, 12:22 PM

Difficult to go wrong with either. I have found that I prefer manual wind watches but for ease of use the automatic cannot be beat. IMHO the balance of the 233 dial seems perfect but the 9 has its allure. In a large rotation I would opt for 233. Small rotation probably 270 due to ease of use. I currently am stuck on the 8 day movements and have ordered 311, 317, 026 Fer 024. We will see what happens.

GMTJOHNNY · 7 August 2008, 12:53 PM

I JUST DONT'T GET IT...I own a Rolex GMT and can't understand how this Pan could function (GMT wise) without hour markers on the bezel.
HOW do you tell time in another timezone with this watch?
Their website was useless.
I see many other GMT watches that seem to have the 4th hand but no way to use it.....
Anyone?

TswaneNguni · 7 August 2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowKarter

I think brushed finishes are susceptible to marks. Like I said, I don't know if this is true in the watches, but I've accidentally left marks on brushed finishes to know not to try.

I re-read my post, and I apologize for the tone. I don't mean to be harsh, but I too am curious whether the PAM finish is more durable or not. I certainly don't have the balls to try though.

On nails and metals .....

Obviously repeated contact on a metal from winding will leave a mark,on brushed or polished.Nothing that a bit of Cape cloth or Wenol Red cant fix.Thats also why I prefer polished to brushed surfaces.Easier to remove the marks from polished.

TswaneNguni · 7 August 2008, 01:38 PM

To the 233 vs 270 debaters ... Dont forget the +7% price increase,Sept the 1st !!! August is a good month to buy !!

6 August 2008, 03:16 AM	#1
learnmore60 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Watch: Love the Vintage Posts: 363	Help..Which one 233 or 270? Hey Guys, I've finally narrowed down my choice for my first Panerai between the 233 or the 270. I like the no. '9' of the 270 but not sure about paying the extra bucks for a very similar looking watch? Any opinions which would be a better purchase? cheers Attached Images

6 August 2008, 08:51 AM	#13
sphereman "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 981	own both here is my 2 cents. i had my 233 for about 2 months. I loved it. sold it because ... 1. 8-day manual wind. it is fun but it is a chore to wind it. smooth but takes a long time to wind it fully 2. i did not like the dial with the 9. dial looked to me a little unbalanced. now.. i recently acquired a 270. 1. i like the dial a lot better. it is perfect. 2. although i know automatic movement is not a panerai thing but it is not so bad 3. the case is too thick. if you have a small wrist, 233 might be a better choice. 233 sits on my wrist a lot more comfortably. 4. domed crystal is slightly more round on the 270.. i think 5. i like the am/pm small dial for GMT. conclusion.. 270 over 233 hands down __________________ 2023 Watch Collection Panerai: 249 California, 232, 390 Rolex: Starbucks Tudor: Blue Pelagos

6 August 2008, 10:26 AM	#16
sphereman "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 981	also, when you wind your 233, unless you are carefully, it is very easy to scratch the bezel with your nail. __________________ 2023 Watch Collection Panerai: 249 California, 232, 390 Rolex: Starbucks Tudor: Blue Pelagos

7 August 2008, 11:03 AM	#26
leopardprey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Chad Location: Around the world Watch: Panerai 233 Posts: 4,204	233 all the way As a owner of a 233 I would have to say the 233. Great watch. Had mone for about 5 months now and have worn it pretty much 24/7. And that includes several months with it in afghanistan, and swimming/mountain biking with it the last couple of months. Now traveling through northern Thailand with it strapped to my wrist. I personally find the 6 and 12 onle dial to be a little better balanced than the added 9 on the 270 dial. Also I like the day/night indicator on the 233 better than the am/pm indicator on the 270. I also love the 8 day manual wind. Wind it up every 7 or 8 days, takes about 1.5-2 minutes. The 233 is a very modern yet at same time vintage looking watch. And the price would also be an issue. You could save couple thousand dollars with the 233 instead of the 270 and with that couple thousand saved, take a nice overseas trip and really test out that GMT Watch! As for scratches on the bezel, yep, many many scrathces and dings on the watch. But that happens if you "wear" the watch as it was built for and do not baby it or keep it in a safe.

7 August 2008, 12:53 PM	#28
GMTJOHNNY "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: John Location: LONG ISLAND, NY Watch: 2007 DAY DATE 18KT Posts: 1,378	I JUST DONT'T GET IT...I own a Rolex GMT and can't understand how this Pan could function (GMT wise) without hour markers on the bezel. HOW do you tell time in another timezone with this watch? Their website was useless. I see many other GMT watches that seem to have the 4th hand but no way to use it..... Anyone? __________________ ROLEX DAY DATE 118238 (2007) ROLEX DAY DATE 18238 (1997) ROLEX GMT 16750 PEPSI (1987) ROLEX AIR KING 14000 (1991) ROLEX GMTIIC TT 116713LN (2008)

6 August 2008, 03:51 AM	#2
SlowKarter Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: OC Posts: 69	Here's my feedback (I went through this process a month ago). I went to my AD's looking for a 233. I just got a 190 a few days prior and thought it would be cool to have a pair of 8 days. Had my AD have a 233 in stock, I'd probably be wearing a 233 right now, but he had a 270 instead. Since then, the 270 has become my favorite watch. Let me start with the cons of the 270: 1. Most Paneristi prefer manual wind watch. They don't see the point in having a long power reserve automatic. Here's my take: it's true. There's no need to have a long PR auto if you wear the watch everyday. I wear it on week ends and my biggest beef w/ my Explorer 2 is having to reset the date after a week of use. With the 270, I wear it on the week end, make sure it's fully wound when I put it away on Sunday and it's ready to wear up to 10 days later. If you actively wear it (walk around, be active, not just sit on your desk all day) the watch will fully wound itself in about a day and a half. I've had 2 week ends where I wore it sparingly, and I find myself having a wind a little to top it off Sunday night. I prefer the 270 over the 233 because 1. I like the dial better 2. the 270 is slightly thicker and heavier. i have small wrist, but prefer hefty watches 3. i don't HATE winding, i don't enjoy it either, so I prefer the 270 I went on a 2 week vacation immediately after getting the 270 so I had a lot of downtime staring at the dial. I very much prefer the 270 dial over the 233, but being a 270 owner, I am very 270 biased. If you like winding watches and think a 10 day auto is silly, then 233 is the way to go. I don't enjoy winding watches, and like seeing the watch PR move up as I wear it. I'm a 270 guy. Last but not least, you only need to wind the 233 once a week (sure you can wind the 233 everyday, but you only need to do it once a week), but you get to enjoy the 270 dial many times a day. Also, if you wear the 270 as a week end wear like me, then you get to wind it once a week also. You just don't have to wind it as much :) At the end of the day, you'll be happy with either choice. If you are a purist (which by looking at your collection, you don't seem to be -- you have mostly Rolex autos), then get a 233. The 270 gives you more flexibility. I like the option of NOT having to wind the watch.

6 August 2008, 04:31 AM	#4
SlowKarter Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: OC Posts: 69	I completely agree with the PR meter being moved to the back. I love that in my 190. Out of the way, not cluttering the dial.

6 August 2008, 05:51 AM	#5
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	270 vs 233 ? Hmmm despite the small differences,they are both ss 1950 cased Luminors with a weeks or so power reserve.Is the 270 worth the extra $$ ? Thats the only question you need to ask and answer yourself.IMO both are very nice.

6 August 2008, 06:06 AM	#6
Teago "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bristol Posts: 7	I say the 233. But i'm totally biassed as I picked one up today! My first ever Panerai and has been a very difficult decision. Luckily I was helped by the AD having a 233 in stock and huge wait for a 270 which seem difficult to get hold of. SlowKarter has well spelt out the pros and cons of each.

6 August 2008, 06:08 AM	#7
SlowKarter Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: OC Posts: 69	Yeah, in the end you will be happy with either. Though if you get the 270, you will get flack from the 233 owners who laugh at an auto w/ long PR. I did check out the IWC collection this past week end though (now that I'm spoiled with long PR watches) and all their 7 day watches are auto movements. So I guess I'm not the only nut around.

6 August 2008, 07:05 AM	#10
learnmore60 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Watch: Love the Vintage Posts: 363	Thanks for the opinions so far and 'Slowkarter' for your detailed analysis. I too am someone that likes to wear certain watches at weekends and would prefer an auto winding watch that has a long PR. But the fact that the 233 gives nearly 10 days in practicality and the price difference could make sense to go for the 233. But I just prefer the look of the 270...and the thicker and heavier case makes it a little more appealing. Will the 270 hold its value better?

7 August 2008, 03:00 AM	#23
SlowKarter Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: OC Posts: 69	I think brushed finishes are susceptible to marks. Like I said, I don't know if this is true in the watches, but I've accidentally left marks on brushed finishes to know not to try. I re-read my post, and I apologize for the tone. I don't mean to be harsh, but I too am curious whether the PAM finish is more durable or not. I certainly don't have the balls to try though.

7 August 2008, 05:28 AM	#24
funlab "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: David Location: US Posts: 347	great discussion on the 233 v 270!

7 August 2008, 12:22 PM	#27
brainbizz Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 608	Difficult to go wrong with either. I have found that I prefer manual wind watches but for ease of use the automatic cannot be beat. IMHO the balance of the 233 dial seems perfect but the 9 has its allure. In a large rotation I would opt for 233. Small rotation probably 270 due to ease of use. I currently am stuck on the 8 day movements and have ordered 311, 317, 026 Fer 024. We will see what happens.

7 August 2008, 01:38 PM	#30
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	To the 233 vs 270 debaters ... Dont forget the +7% price increase,Sept the 1st !!! August is a good month to buy !!

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