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davidpg · 20 June 2016, 05:26 AM

I'm picking up a black snowflake dial from a seller in Germany who has an excellent reputation. I've been studying the pic and can't find any tells of it being anything but genuine...I'd appreciate an opinion or two before I pull the trigger and send off payment.

Thanks in advance! And this is the only pic I have at the moment.

badgimli · 20 June 2016, 06:39 AM

The "T swiss T" doesn't seem aligned correctly to me. The "Ts" are always shifted towards the center and not aligned perfectly between the minute markers. In the case of the above dial, the right "T" is actually shifted to the outer minute marker (28m) instead of the correct 27m marker.

Also the "200m = 660ft" should be equally spaced. In this case there is a larger space between "m =" and no space between "=6" - it should be "= 6" instead.

The lume is built up really lumpy in odd shapes.

Given those three things, I would pass.

Vincent65 · 20 June 2016, 07:29 AM

Is that dust or damage?

Frogman4me · 20 June 2016, 07:38 AM

The dial is refinished or fake. The text style and spacing is all off. Quick way to tell is look at the "T" in "Tudor" the tips aren't correct. The "U" in "Submariner" should never be outside of the "2" in 200. Should be right below or inside. The 6's in the depth rating and FT are wrong and the "A" in "Submariner" should be a flat top A and not pointy. Not to mention the lume plots look suspect.

harry in montreal · 20 June 2016, 07:51 AM

Bad dial. There are many things wrong. Have you read orchi's thread on Tudor shield dials? He goes over all the tells

davidpg · 20 June 2016, 08:38 AM

Ah! Thanks already for the insight...I'll check out that thread as well.

Gotta be pretty careful...no matter what it seems.

slashd0t · 20 June 2016, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidpg

a seller in Germany who has an excellent reputation.

harry in montreal · 20 June 2016, 09:35 AM

David, send me a pm if you can't find the thread

linesiders · 20 June 2016, 09:36 AM

No good - 99%. No date dials can be a little different than date dials.

The T SWISS T can have different spacing but the SWISS looks wrong, as does the A under the = and the previously mentioned TUDOR (fonts are all off)

badgimli · 20 June 2016, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linesiders

No good - 99%. No date dials can be a little different than date dials.

The T SWISS T can have different spacing but the SWISS looks wrong, as does the A under the = and the previously mentioned TUDOR (fonts are all off)

I've browsed all of HQ Milton's inventory and none of them had misaligned T Swiss Ts.

linesiders · 20 June 2016, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgimli

I've browsed all of HQ Milton's inventory and none of them had misaligned T Swiss Ts.

When you say misaligned Ts - precisely what do you mean?

The Ts sometimes are between the hash marks. some times are close to the inner has marks - they vary by dial. some are | T | SWISS | T | some are | T | SWISS | T | - are we talking the same alignment?

davidpg · 21 June 2016, 12:12 AM

A genuine thanks to all for the comments and insight! Great to be learning all this!

zapokee · 21 June 2016, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogman4me

The "U" in "Submariner" should never be outside of the "2" in 200. Should be right below or inside. The 6's in the depth rating and FT are wrong and the "A" in "Submariner" should be a flat top A and not pointy. Not to mention the lume plots look suspect.

[Checks own Snowflake, breathes sigh of relief, re-appreicates policy of buying only from trusted sellers on TRF.]
Priceless information. Thanks. This is why we're here.

linesiders · 21 June 2016, 02:48 AM

Haha - the VB editor removed my spare spaces so I will try again ;)

The Ts sometimes are between the hash marks. some times are close to the inner has marks - they vary by dial. some are | _ T _ | SWISS | _ T _ | some are | __T | SWISS | T__ | - are we talking the same alignment?

Frogman4me · 21 June 2016, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapokee

[Checks own Snowflake, breathes sigh of relief, re-appreicates policy of buying only from trusted sellers on TRF.]
Priceless information. Thanks. This is why we're here.

My pleasure my friend. Always buy the seller, first and most important rule. Cheers

badgimli · 21 June 2016, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linesiders

Haha - the VB editor removed my spare spaces so I will try again ;)

The Ts sometimes are between the hash marks. some times are close to the inner has marks - they vary by dial. some are | _ T _ | SWISS | _ T _ | some are | __T | SWISS | T__ | - are we talking the same alignment?

Yes. All of the reference dials I have seen show | __T_ | SWISS | _T__ |

(noticed I used 2:1 ratio on the alignment, instead of fully justified inward)

Do you have a link to a perfectly centered one?

Qinhan · 21 June 2016, 04:33 PM

^ Would these be the type of centred dials to which Linesiders is referring?

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1981...ack-snowflake1

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1981...4110-snowflake

EDIT: Having just posted this I realised your discussion pertained to no-date versions of the Snowflake only, correct?

badgimli · 21 June 2016, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qinhan

^ Would these be the type of centred dials to which Linesiders is referring?

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1981...ack-snowflake1

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1981...4110-snowflake

EDIT: Having just posted this I realised your discussion pertained to no-date versions of the Snowflake only, correct?

Yes no-date.

20 June 2016, 05:26 AM	#1
davidpg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Montreal Posts: 9	Help with Tudor snowflake dial please! I'm picking up a black snowflake dial from a seller in Germany who has an excellent reputation. I've been studying the pic and can't find any tells of it being anything but genuine...I'd appreciate an opinion or two before I pull the trigger and send off payment. Thanks in advance! And this is the only pic I have at the moment.

20 June 2016, 07:29 AM	#3
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	Is that dust or damage? __________________

20 June 2016, 09:36 AM	#9
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,498	No good - 99%. No date dials can be a little different than date dials. The T SWISS T can have different spacing but the SWISS looks wrong, as does the A under the = and the previously mentioned TUDOR (fonts are all off) __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

21 June 2016, 02:48 AM	#14
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,498	Haha - the VB editor removed my spare spaces so I will try again ;) The Ts sometimes are between the hash marks. some times are close to the inner has marks - they vary by dial. some are \| _ T _ \| SWISS \| _ T _ \| some are \| __T \| SWISS \| T__ \| - are we talking the same alignment? __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

20 June 2016, 06:39 AM	#2
badgimli Banned Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: NV Posts: 11	The "T swiss T" doesn't seem aligned correctly to me. The "Ts" are always shifted towards the center and not aligned perfectly between the minute markers. In the case of the above dial, the right "T" is actually shifted to the outer minute marker (28m) instead of the correct 27m marker. Also the "200m = 660ft" should be equally spaced. In this case there is a larger space between "m =" and no space between "=6" - it should be "= 6" instead. The lume is built up really lumpy in odd shapes. Given those three things, I would pass.

20 June 2016, 07:38 AM	#4
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	The dial is refinished or fake. The text style and spacing is all off. Quick way to tell is look at the "T" in "Tudor" the tips aren't correct. The "U" in "Submariner" should never be outside of the "2" in 200. Should be right below or inside. The 6's in the depth rating and FT are wrong and the "A" in "Submariner" should be a flat top A and not pointy. Not to mention the lume plots look suspect.

20 June 2016, 07:51 AM	#5
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	Bad dial. There are many things wrong. Have you read orchi's thread on Tudor shield dials? He goes over all the tells

20 June 2016, 08:38 AM	#6
davidpg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Montreal Posts: 9	Ah! Thanks already for the insight...I'll check out that thread as well. Gotta be pretty careful...no matter what it seems.

20 June 2016, 09:35 AM	#8
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	David, send me a pm if you can't find the thread

21 June 2016, 12:12 AM	#12
davidpg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Montreal Posts: 9	A genuine thanks to all for the comments and insight! Great to be learning all this!

21 June 2016, 04:33 PM	#17
Qinhan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 632	^ Would these be the type of centred dials to which Linesiders is referring? http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1981...ack-snowflake1 http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1981...4110-snowflake EDIT: Having just posted this I realised your discussion pertained to no-date versions of the Snowflake only, correct?

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